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Posted: 11/6/2007 10:38:54 AM EDT
FWIW, i don't really care one way or another about the guy, but I have read the "AR residents say Huckabee sucks" threads, and generally trust the locals to know more about a candidate than I expect the candidate tells you and I about. I happened upon this article/editorial by chance, could be considered a bad source, or bad article, not sure, have never heard of the author, but take what you want out of it...

http://www.donfeder.com/news.ivnu



HUCKLEBERRY GOV'S COMPASSION PROBLEM

By Don Feder
Posted November 1, 2007

The problem with former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee isn't his funny name, which brings to mind a character in a Hanna-Barbera cartoon. (What kind of a name is Mitt, anyway?)

It's not the fact that he strums a guitar or that, other than governing Arkansas for a decade, his principal claim to fame is losing 110-lbs.

What scares me about Huckabee is that he's a practitioner of the gruesome art of political compassion. He could even be one of those compassionate conservatives we've heard so much about - except he's not a conservative.

Huckabee's stock is rising. Friday's Rasmussen Poll has him among the top tier candidates for the GOP nomination. With 12%, the former governor is behind Giuliani, Thompson and McCain (at 14%) but ahead of Deep-Pockets Mitt (with 11%).

Understandably, Huckabee wowed them at the recent Values Voter Washington Briefing, sponsored by Family Research Council. For those who voted at the conference (instead of voting online), Huckabee won with 51%.

Superficially, Huckabee looks like the ideal candidate for social conservatives - pro-life, anti-gay marriage and a Baptist minister to boot. A friend of mine who's an evangelical and a Beltway pundit says a lot of it comes down to tribal politics. The religious right, which is dominated by evangelicals, looks at Huckabee and sees one of its own. It is mistaken.

Abortion and marriage are make-or-break issues for me. But, uncompassionate conservative that I am, I also care about taxes and spending, secure borders, the economy, crime and the Constitution.

I'm not alone. Conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly says Huckabee "destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party in shambles," Schlafly charges, "Yet some of the same evangelicals who sold us on George W. Bush as a 'compassionate conservative' are now trying to sell us on Huckabee." Call the Better Business Bureau.

Richard Viguerie, as principled and tough-minded as anyone on the right, observes, "But while Gov. Huckabee stands strong on some issues like abortion that are important to social conservatives, a careful examination of his record as governor reveals that he is just another wishy-washy Republican who enthusiastically promotes big government" - which is why Time Magazine thought Huckabee was one of the nation's five best governors. Time doesn't hand out awards for cutting taxes and reducing spending.

During his years in Little Rock, Huckabee raised the state's sales tax by 37%, the gas tax by 16% and the cigarette tax by 103% (all fall particularly hard on the poor). State spending went up a staggering 65.3% -- three times the inflation rate. The state's workforce grew by 20% and Arkansas' general obligation debt increased $1 billion.


Conservatives most familiar with his record are the most skeptical of Huckabee's claims to the conservative mantle. At its July convention, the Arkansas Republican Assembly, which represents the state party's right-wing, took a presidential preference straw poll. Thompson swept the field with 86%.

Betsy Hagan, Arkansas director of Schlafly's Eagle Forum, says that outside of a few key social issues, Huckabee governed as a liberal. "Just like Bill Clinton, he will charm you, but don't be surprised if he takes a completely different turn in office,"
Hagan cautions.

Huckabee is a sucker for social spending. In April 2006, he raised the state's minimum wage from $5.15 to $6.25 an hour, levying yet another tax on businesses and consumers -- one that destroys entry-level jobs.

Huckabee is particularly proud of his ArKids First program, which greatly expanded government-paid health insurance for children. Compassionate? Sure - except it's one more small step on the road to socialized medicine - which hasn't worked that well for the Brits and Canadians who've died waiting for operations, due to the inevitable shortage of medical services in a state-run system.

Huckabee calls the notorious No Child (Bureaucrat) Left Behind program the greatest education reform in his lifetime.


It all goes back to Huckabee's fatal flaw - the Big C. The governor is one of those Republicans who's desperate to be loved. He craves the establishment's approval and gets an emotional high by doing good, invariably at someone else's expense.

Huckabee supports a mandatory cap on the release of greenhouse gases.
"It goes to the moral issue," the governor intones. "We have a responsibility to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions ...." This, even though he's unsure that C0-2 emissions actually have anything to do with global warming. "But whether there is or there isn't (a human factor in climate change), it doesn't release us from the responsibility to be good stewards of the environment.... It's a spiritual issue. The earth belongs to God. I have no right to destroy it."
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Good stewards also have a responsibility to consider the consequences of junk science. In the 1960s, Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" (the era's "Inconvenient Truth") convinced governments to ban DDT as toxic to humans. In the Third World, mosquitoes multiplied. So did malaria and typhus. Since 1972, 100 million have died of these preventable diseases, mostly in Africa, due to political stewardship.

Does God want us to destroy the U.S. economy? Does He want us to sit in darkened homes, warmed only by thoughts of the imaginary benefits conferred on penguins and polar bears? Huckabee is an acolyte of the Church of Gore because it feels good - it makes him feel morally superior to all of those energy-profligate conservatives who - by not embracing this pious fraud - desecrate the Gospel of Eco-Doom.

Huckabee also backs the so-called DC voting rights bill, telling reporters that DC residents are "American citizens. They pay taxes and it just doesn't seem right that someone could be at least partially disenfranchised."

If residents of the District of Columbia were mostly Caucasians, instead of black, would the left care? Would Huckabee? Jesse Jackson and his gang have turned this into a civil rights, meaning a race, issue.

No representation in return for getting the national government in your backyard -- that's the bargain that was made at America's founding.

There are all kinds of goodies derived from residing in the District. One way or another, most residents make a living from Uncle Sugar. For that, Washingtonians give up direct representation in Congress. If they simply cannot live without the bliss of voting for Congress-things, they can move a few miles into either Virginia or Maryland and vote in Congressional elections to their heart's content.

His regard for DC denizens is exceeded only by Huckabee's affection for aliens of the illegal persuasion.

When there was a bill before the Arkansas legislature to require proof of citizenship to vote and to cut off most government services to illegals, Huckabee did a passable impression of Linda Chavez, claiming the measure "inflames those who are racists and bigots and makes them think there's a real problem. But there's not."

Twelve million to fifteen million illegal aliens? More coming every day? Hospitals closed and schools severely overburdened? No problemo!

Huckabee now tries to rationalize that smear, generously allowing that he does not think everyone who's concerned about criminals and terrorists infiltrating our porous borders -- not all who resent subsidies for the horde who are here illegally -- are the moral equivalent of Nazis and nightriders.


What's behind this gratuitous insult to patriotic Americans? Can't you guess?

In a 2003 radio address, Huckabee told the citizens of Arkansas: "I looked into the eyes of immigrant Mexican children and was moved. These children often don't have enough to eat, don't have good clothes and don't have a dry place to sleep... And I was reminded we can give something back by offering a helping hand to those who follow the American dream along Interstate 30 and Interstate 40 into Arkansas." Like Hillary, he's doing it for the kids - and, in the process, throwing away the best issue the Republican Party will have next year.

Eventually, all compassionate politicians get around to slobbering over violent felons. Huckabee is no exception. Wayne Dumond served seven years of a life plus-20-year sentence for the kidnapping/rape of a 17-year-old cheerleader. Dumond claims that while he was awaiting trial, men broke into his home and castrated him. Sadly, he survived.

Shortly after he became governor, Dumond's pardon application crossed Huckabee's desk.

While denying the pardon, Huckabee helped with the parole board by sending the rapist a personal letter disclosing, "My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel that parole is the best way for your reintroduction to society to take place." A 2002 article in the Arkansas Times reports Huckabee's staff worked behind the scenes to secure the rapist's release.
Was Huckabee moved after looking into Dumond's eyes and seeing another of society's victims who was just following the American dream?

Ashley Stevens, who Dumond raped, told Huckabee "If you ever let him out, he's going to do it again." Huckabee was unmoved, even when Stevens thrust her face inches from his and told him "This is how close I was to Dumond's face for an hour. I'll never forget his face, and you'll never forget mine."

None of that dissuaded Mr. Compassion. Wouldn't you know it, the year after the parole board reintroduced Dumond into society, he moved to Missouri where he sexually assaulted and murdered a 39-year-old woman.

To this day, Huckabee is in a state of denial (unfortunately for him, not one of the early primary states) regarding his role in this tragedy, insisting, "My only official action was to deny his clemency." (OP note--does this not sound like a Bill Clinton soundbite??) In terms of taking responsibility for their actions, Huckabee and Hillary have more in common than at first meets the eye.

What traits should we seek in a president? Compassion is way down on my list - well below guts, integrity, farsightedness, determination and patriotism.

Huckabee has bought into the left's definition of compassion, a mushy mix of sentimentality and victimology. The avatar of this species of compassion is Jimmy Carter -- Nobel laureate, builder of homes for the poor, anti-American agitator who accuses Israel of racism, (like Huckabee, a Baptist given to homilies), and easily America's worst president in the post-war era.

Political compassion comes at a price. Compassion for the recipients of social spending hurts taxpayers, including the struggling middle class and working poor. (It hurts recipients too, by addicting them to the dole.) Compassion for illegal immigrants hurts the victims of criminal aliens, not to mention the Americans who see their national unity slipping away (eroded by those who refuse to learn our language or identify with our country). Compassion for criminals is an affront to their victims - past and future.

Mike Huckabee, who's big on Bible quotes, should contemplate the Talmudic adage: Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the kind.

Huckabee will not be the Republican nominee in 2008, for which we should be exceedingly grateful. He lacks the organization and finances. (As of September 30, he had $650,000 cash on hand, compared to $16.6 million for Giuliani, $9.2 million for Romney, and $7.1 million for Thompson.) Money isn't everything. But, with the nomination process front-loaded and the need to run campaigns in a dozen states simultaneously, it is indispensable.

It's only in the past week that Huckabee, due to the Iowa and FRC conference straw-polls, moved into double digits in national polling - bumps he won't get again.

Huckabee won't be the nominee. But he could draw enough votes from an authentic conservative to throw the nomination to Giuliani, which, by fracturing the Republican base, would result in the election of the creature from the 9th circle of Hell, who seems to have a lock on her party's nomination - not my idea of compassion either.

A version of this appeared at www.grasstopsusa.com

Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:31:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:33:23 AM EDT
Cliff Notes?
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:33:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2007 8:35:12 AM EDT by Dusty_C]
In before someone comes along and defends him because of how good a speaker he is.

ETA, Arkids first isn't anything like Socialized healthcare. It's medicaid for kids.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:34:29 AM EDT
Im too lazy to read all of that. What does it mean?
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:38:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ReallyLongAction:
Im too lazy to read all of that. What does it mean?


Just hit the bold, brother...
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:38:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ReallyLongAction:
Im too lazy to read all of that. What does it mean?
It means Huckabee is a retard.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:40:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Cliff Notes?


Same.

TL;DR.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:41:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Cliff Notes?


Same.

TL;DR.


I bolded what I thought was important, enought that shouldn't have to read the rest of the article to see what it is saying...
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:49:00 AM EDT
Lord, you lazyasses. It takes maybe 3 minutes to read and if you are interested in the Republican candidates you should take the time to read it.

Basically it points to Huckabee potentially being another Bush because of "compassion".
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:49:46 AM EDT

Eventually, all compassionate politicians get around to slobbering over violent felons. Huckabee is no exception. Wayne Dumond served seven years of a life plus-20-year sentence for the kidnapping/rape of a 17-year-old cheerleader. Dumond claims that while he was awaiting trial, men broke into his home and castrated him. Sadly, he survived.

Shortly after he became governor, Dumond's pardon application crossed Huckabee's desk.

While denying the pardon, Huckabee helped with the parole board by sending the rapist a personal letter disclosing, "My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel that parole is the best way for your reintroduction to society to take place." A 2002 article in the Arkansas Times reports Huckabee's staff worked behind the scenes to secure the rapist's release. Was Huckabee moved after looking into Dumond's eyes and seeing another of society's victims who was just following the American dream?

Ashley Stevens, who Dumond raped, told Huckabee "If you ever let him out, he's going to do it again." Huckabee was unmoved, even when Stevens thrust her face inches from his and told him "This is how close I was to Dumond's face for an hour. I'll never forget his face, and you'll never forget mine."

None of that dissuaded Mr. Compassion. Wouldn't you know it, the year after the parole board reintroduced Dumond into society, he moved to Missouri where he sexually assaulted and murdered a 39-year-old woman.



HOLY SHIT How the fuck does every news network not know about this, and put it out in the mainstream media? I mean, its never been brought up in a debate, and he'se, to the best of my knowledge, never been asked about it during an interview. This asshole should be pelted with rocks.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:53:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ReallyLongAction:

Eventually, all compassionate politicians get around to slobbering over violent felons. Huckabee is no exception. Wayne Dumond served seven years of a life plus-20-year sentence for the kidnapping/rape of a 17-year-old cheerleader. Dumond claims that while he was awaiting trial, men broke into his home and castrated him. Sadly, he survived.

Shortly after he became governor, Dumond's pardon application crossed Huckabee's desk.

While denying the pardon, Huckabee helped with the parole board by sending the rapist a personal letter disclosing, "My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel that parole is the best way for your reintroduction to society to take place." A 2002 article in the Arkansas Times reports Huckabee's staff worked behind the scenes to secure the rapist's release. Was Huckabee moved after looking into Dumond's eyes and seeing another of society's victims who was just following the American dream?

Ashley Stevens, who Dumond raped, told Huckabee "If you ever let him out, he's going to do it again." Huckabee was unmoved, even when Stevens thrust her face inches from his and told him "This is how close I was to Dumond's face for an hour. I'll never forget his face, and you'll never forget mine."

None of that dissuaded Mr. Compassion. Wouldn't you know it, the year after the parole board reintroduced Dumond into society, he moved to Missouri where he sexually assaulted and murdered a 39-year-old woman.



HOLY SHIT How the fuck does every news network not know about this, and put it out in the mainstream media? I mean, its never been brought up in a debate, and he'se, to the best of my knowledge, never been asked about it during an interview. This asshole should be pelted with rocks.


Because it is much better ammunition for AFTER the nomination process has identified frontrunners.

As it is now, no one has a clue who the definite Republican frontrunners are. Romney, Guiliani and Thompson lead polls, Ron Paul and Huckabee win straw polls, Ron Paul wins debates (according to text polls) - so they're waiting until voting starts so we see who stands out. Should Huckbee fare well, this story will come to light on the scale of that missing white chick in Aruba.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 8:58:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2007 8:59:52 AM EDT by MTUSA]
Huckabee, the GOP's version of Jimmy Carter



HUNTER/ TANCREDO 08'
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 9:12:31 AM EDT
I've talked about the Dumond case several times in Huckabee threads.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 9:14:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Cliff Notes?


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Link Posted: 11/8/2007 9:22:02 AM EDT
I'm a single issue voter.



Somebody please tell me what he has ever done to hurt gun ownership.

While we're on that line, tell me how he'd be worse on this issue than Giulianni or Romney.

Let's face it folks, our choices this time around suck.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 9:23:24 AM EDT
I've heard snippets of this stuff before, but it is nice to have it all in one place.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 9:24:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JHMC79:
I'm a single issue voter.



Somebody please tell me what he has ever done to hurt gun ownership.

While we're on that line, tell me how he'd be worse on this issue than Giulianni or Romney.

Let's face it folks, our choices this time around suck.
What has he done FOR them is a better question. Answer below

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NOT A GODDAMN THING!
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 10:02:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2007 10:04:53 AM EDT by JHMC79]

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:
I'm a single issue voter.



Somebody please tell me what he has ever done to hurt gun ownership.

While we're on that line, tell me how he'd be worse on this issue than Giulianni or Romney.

Let's face it folks, our choices this time around suck.
What has he done FOR them is a better question. Answer below


NOT A GODDAMN THING!




I beg to differ...


He pushed for and signed a law that permits Arkansans to carry a concealed weapon in addition he pushed for the Castle Law.

One can read a few of these links to find out Huckabee's stance on firearms.

He is the real deal when it comes to your gun rights. In this election, a gun owner has no better friend.

www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/20/huckabee_says_concealed_gun_might_have_reduced_vt_toll/

www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2006/01/05/News/332478.html

www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mike_Huckabee_Gun_Control.htm

www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2007/09/22/WashingtonDCBureau/343403.html

www.gunowners.org/pres08/huckabee.htm
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 10:14:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/9/2007 8:14:47 AM EDT by Dusty_C]

Originally Posted By JHMC79:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:
I'm a single issue voter.



Somebody please tell me what he has ever done to hurt gun ownership.

While we're on that line, tell me how he'd be worse on this issue than Giulianni or Romney.

Let's face it folks, our choices this time around suck.
What has he done FOR them is a better question. Answer below


NOT A GODDAMN THING!




I beg to differ...


He pushed for and signed a law that permits Arkansans to carry a concealed weapon in addition he pushed for the Castle Law.

One can read a few of these links to find out Huckabee's stance on firearms.

He is the real deal when it comes to your gun rights. In this election, a gun owner has no better friend.

www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/20/huckabee_says_concealed_gun_might_have_reduced_vt_toll/

www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2006/01/05/News/332478.html

www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mike_Huckabee_Gun_Control.htm

www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2007/09/22/WashingtonDCBureau/343403.html

www.gunowners.org/pres08/huckabee.htm
Buncha talk. Huck didn't sign it. Tucker did.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 10:19:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By ReallyLongAction:
Im too lazy to read all of that. What does it mean?
It means Huckabee is a retard just like most other "conservatives".
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 10:22:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JHMC79:
In this election, a gun owner has no better friend.


Gimme a break.

That wouldn't be true even if I WAS a single issue voter.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 10:27:51 AM EDT
What happened to conservatives. It seems as though everyone is a moderate or liberal these days....
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 10:28:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Yossarian:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By ReallyLongAction:
Im too lazy to read all of that. What does it mean?
It means Huckabee is a retard just like most other "conservatives".




Very true.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 10:29:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2007 10:36:44 AM EDT by JHMC79]


Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
What has he done FOR them is a better question. Answer below


NOT A GODDAMN THING!




Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
He signed the bill, everything else you posted is all talk. And we know how Huck is with talk. If he'd pushed for the castle doctrine, it woulda passed. If he'd pressed for broader reciprocity, it woulda passed. Funny how our democrat Governer got it passed Yeah Huck has an Arkansas CHL. So do a lot of celebrities and they are full of shit too. And you can bet your asswhen his new little perfect race of skinny people starts getting shot for being so fucking snotty, his closest socialist ass will turn Anti real quick.



So which one is it?


Yes, like all politicians, he does talk a lot. However, I don't hear any other Presidential contender saying that if students at Virgia Tech. were allowed to carry guns, they could have taken care of the problem themselves.

One more thing, GOA doesn't just hand out praise to any old candidate, they have high levels of scrutiny. If they feel he's a solid pro-gunner, you can believe them.

Link Posted: 11/8/2007 10:31:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:
In this election, a gun owner has no better friend.


Gimme a break.

That wouldn't be true even if I WAS a single issue voter.




Who out of the candidates that actually have a chance at the nomination is better then?
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 10:46:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JHMC79:

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:
In this election, a gun owner has no better friend.


Gimme a break.

That wouldn't be true even if I WAS a single issue voter.




Who out of the candidates that actually have a chance at the nomination is better then?


That would exclude Huckabee as well then, wouldn't it?
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 11:04:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
Arkids first isn't anything like Socialized healthcare. It's medicaid for kids.


What do you think medicaid is?



Link Posted: 11/8/2007 11:08:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By skin290:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:
In this election, a gun owner has no better friend.


Gimme a break.

That wouldn't be true even if I WAS a single issue voter.




Who out of the candidates that actually have a chance at the nomination is better then?


That would exclude Huckabee as well then, wouldn't it?




I'm not so sure now. When he first said he was running, I thought it was the biggest joke I'd ever heard. I would have to say now he's got a much better shot than Tancredo, or the one from California.

Link Posted: 11/8/2007 11:34:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/9/2007 8:10:24 AM EDT by Dusty_C]

Originally Posted By JHMC79:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
What has he done FOR them is a better question. Answer below


NOT A GODDAMN THING!




Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
He signed the bill, everything else you posted is all talk. And we know how Huck is with talk. If he'd pushed for the castle doctrine, it woulda passed. If he'd pressed for broader reciprocity, it woulda passed. Funny how our democrat Governer got it passed Yeah Huck has an Arkansas CHL. So do a lot of celebrities and they are full of shit too. And you can bet your asswhen his new little perfect race of skinny people starts getting shot for being so fucking snotty, his closest socialist ass will turn Anti real quick.



So which one is it?


Yes, like all politicians, he does talk a lot. However, I don't hear any other Presidential contender saying that if students at Virgia Tech. were allowed to carry guns, they could have taken care of the problem themselves.

One more thing, GOA doesn't just hand out praise to any old candidate, they have high levels of scrutiny. If they feel he's a solid pro-gunner, you can believe them.


I was wrong. Huck didn't sign the bill. So no, he hasn't done a goddamn thing for the 2nd. Jim Guy Tucker signed it.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 11:39:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Primos:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
Arkids first isn't anything like Socialized healthcare. It's medicaid for kids.


What do you think medicaid is?



Uh, it's not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine does several things.

Generally it assigns you a Doctor.
It gives care for everyone.
It keeps you waiting for weeks or months to get in to see a doctor.

Arkids 1st only gives care to kids when their parents have no insurance for them.
I don't know of a single pediatrician, or specialist that handles kids that doesn't accept it.
Kids are treated the same as if on any other insurance program with it.
It's not like I had a kid on it for years and a step son on it or anything.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 11:41:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JHMC79:

Originally Posted By skin290:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:
In this election, a gun owner has no better friend.


Gimme a break.

That wouldn't be true even if I WAS a single issue voter.




Who out of the candidates that actually have a chance at the nomination is better then?


That would exclude Huckabee as well then, wouldn't it?




I'm not so sure now. When he first said he was running, I thought it was the biggest joke I'd ever heard. I would have to say now he's got a much better shot than Tancredo, or the one from California.

Tancredo and Hunter have what, 1 or 2% of the polls each? Maybe 3? Saying he has a better chance than them is like saying one donut has a better chance of making it off of Rosie Odonnel's plate than another without being eatin.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 11:44:16 AM EDT
Forgot to mention. While I'm defending Arkids 1st as a not quite socialist thing, I will say this.

Huckabee is a socialist. He doesn't believe in personal property rights, keep that shit in mind. He'd rather make laws banning things that may be unhealthy instead of giving business owners a right to choose.

Real champion of less intrusive government I tell ya
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 11:55:51 AM EDT


Ashley Stevens, who Dumond raped, told Huckabee "If you ever let him out, he's going to do it again." Huckabee was unmoved, even when Stevens thrust her face inches from his and told him "This is how close I was to Dumond's face for an hour. I'll never forget his face, and you'll never forget mine."

None of that dissuaded Mr. Compassion. Wouldn't you know it, the year after the parole board reintroduced Dumond into society, he moved to Missouri where he sexually assaulted and murdered a 39-year-old woman.


Ted Kennedy 1 - Mike Huckabee 1

What's the tiebreaker?

So the Huck is pro-gun. If he's going to turn this kind of trash loose on us, he'd better be. This goes beyond "compassionate conservatisim" and achieves the state of reckless idealism.

Anyone know the name of the 39 year old woman? If I ever meet the man I'd like to ask him if he thinks he'll get her families' vote.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:04:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2007 12:18:23 PM EDT by clement]

Originally Posted By ReallyLongAction:

Eventually, all compassionate politicians get around to slobbering over violent felons. Huckabee is no exception. Wayne Dumond served seven years of a life plus-20-year sentence for the kidnapping/rape of a 17-year-old cheerleader. Dumond claims that while he was awaiting trial, men broke into his home and castrated him. Sadly, he survived.

Shortly after he became governor, Dumond's pardon application crossed Huckabee's desk.

While denying the pardon, Huckabee helped with the parole board by sending the rapist a personal letter disclosing, "My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel that parole is the best way for your reintroduction to society to take place." A 2002 article in the Arkansas Times reports Huckabee's staff worked behind the scenes to secure the rapist's release. Was Huckabee moved after looking into Dumond's eyes and seeing another of society's victims who was just following the American dream?

Ashley Stevens, who Dumond raped, told Huckabee "If you ever let him out, he's going to do it again." Huckabee was unmoved, even when Stevens thrust her face inches from his and told him "This is how close I was to Dumond's face for an hour. I'll never forget his face, and you'll never forget mine."

None of that dissuaded Mr. Compassion. Wouldn't you know it, the year after the parole board reintroduced Dumond into society, he moved to Missouri where he sexually assaulted and murdered a 39-year-old woman.



HOLY SHIT How the fuck does every news network not know about this, and put it out in the mainstream media? I mean, its never been brought up in a debate, and he'se, to the best of my knowledge, never been asked about it during an interview. This asshole should be pelted with rocks.


He was asked about it by on Meet the press by Tim Russert.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VktbXDA5hCY

he gives a vey clintonesque response to the question.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:08:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By Primos:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
Arkids first isn't anything like Socialized healthcare. It's medicaid for kids.


What do you think medicaid is?



Uh, it's not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine does several things.

Generally it assigns you a Doctor.
It gives care for everyone.
It keeps you waiting for weeks or months to get in to see a doctor.

Arkids 1st only gives care to kids when their parents have no insurance for them.
I don't know of a single pediatrician, or specialist that handles kids that doesn't accept it.
Kids are treated the same as if on any other insurance program with it.
It's not like I had a kid on it for years and a step son on it or anything.


In other words, a health care program run by the state.

Instead of paying for your own kids, you had taxpayers pay for them.

But keep thinking that it's 'nothing like socialized medicine'.

Guns are expensive.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:09:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
Forgot to mention. While I'm defending Arkids 1st as a not quite socialist thing, I will say this.

Huckabee is a socialist. He doesn't believe in personal property rights, keep that shit in mind. He'd rather make laws banning things that may be unhealthy instead of giving business owners a right to choose.

Real champion of less intrusive government I tell ya


State funded health care programs are socialism.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:12:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Primos:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By Primos:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
Arkids first isn't anything like Socialized healthcare. It's medicaid for kids.


What do you think medicaid is?



Uh, it's not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine does several things.

Generally it assigns you a Doctor.
It gives care for everyone.
It keeps you waiting for weeks or months to get in to see a doctor.

Arkids 1st only gives care to kids when their parents have no insurance for them.
I don't know of a single pediatrician, or specialist that handles kids that doesn't accept it.
Kids are treated the same as if on any other insurance program with it.
It's not like I had a kid on it for years and a step son on it or anything.


In other words, a health care program run by the state.

Instead of paying for your own kids, you had taxpayers pay for them.

But keep thinking that it's 'nothing like socialized medicine'.

Guns are expensive.
Can you read?

At the time I couldn't afford it, so she was on it. And guess how many guns I bought in that time. Try knowing something about someone before you open your mouth and show your ignorance of the subject.

Some medicaid is a fact of life. Programs are in place to help some people that can't afford it. We didn't abuse it, and when we could afford private insurance, we put her on it. And I didn't buy a single gun while she was on it.

So stop talking to me like you know me.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:14:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JHMC79:

Originally Posted By skin290:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By JHMC79:
In this election, a gun owner has no better friend.


Gimme a break.

That wouldn't be true even if I WAS a single issue voter.




Who out of the candidates that actually have a chance at the nomination is better then?


That would exclude Huckabee as well then, wouldn't it?




I'm not so sure now. When he first said he was running, I thought it was the biggest joke I'd ever heard. I would have to say now he's got a much better shot than Tancredo, or the one from California.



Not saying much. The field is crowded now, and people will start stepping aside.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:18:39 PM EDT
Socialism is socialism dude. That's just how it is.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:23:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Primos:
Socialism is socialism dude. That's just how it is.
No shit. If agreeing that limited programs for those actually in need, with tight checks makes me one, well, then I guess I am.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:23:40 PM EDT
I don't know why a single issue voter on guns wouldn't just vote for Paul. If he was pragmatic and saw electability as important as well, then Thompson is the top tier candidate who is best on guns.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:27:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Torf:
I don't know why a single issue voter on guns wouldn't just vote for Paul. If he was pragmatic and saw electability as important as well, then Thompson is the top tier candidate who is best on guns.
Because electability is an issue.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:43:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By Primos:
Socialism is socialism dude. That's just how it is.
No shit. If agreeing that limited programs for those actually in need, with tight checks makes me one, well, then I guess I am.



Hey, you either think it's the government's job to steal from certain taxpayers, and give to others, or you don't.

Government involvement is the main reason health care is so damn expensive.

Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:48:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Primos:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By Primos:
Socialism is socialism dude. That's just how it is.
No shit. If agreeing that limited programs for those actually in need, with tight checks makes me one, well, then I guess I am.



Hey, you either think it's the government's job to steal from certain taxpayers, and give to others, or you don't.

Government involvement is the main reason health care is so damn expensive.

Wrong. Taxpayers have a right to vote. They don't like the choices, they get to voice their opinion. Or not voice their opinion. The people of voting age are responsible for what their government does.

Private citizen's lawsuits have as much, or more effect on the cost of healthcare.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:49:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By Torf:
I don't know why a single issue voter on guns wouldn't just vote for Paul. If he was pragmatic and saw electability as important as well, then Thompson is the top tier candidate who is best on guns.
Because electability is an issue.


I agree, but some have stated they are single issue voters. I think Thompson is the best electable candidate on guns.
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:50:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2007 12:50:24 PM EDT by VooDoo3dfx]
Huckabee is a 'true' conservatives nightmare.

Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:54:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Huckabee is a 'true' conservatives nightmare.

The people that think he's a conservative scare me almost as much as these goddamn Ronbots. They remind of me of the original Zealots
Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:59:11 PM EDT
Man, Huckabee really does suck... I knew about the other stuff in the article, but hadn't heard of that scumbag he pardoned-that is a ridiculous story

Link Posted: 11/8/2007 12:59:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/8/2007 12:59:40 PM EDT by themagikbullet]
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Link Posted: 11/9/2007 8:01:57 AM EDT
Are you sure that Huck signed the CHL legislation into law? It seems that I remember JG Tucker signing that.
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