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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:49:40 AM EDT
  A set of pistols belonging to Founding Father Alexander Hamilton is up for auction by Christie’s starting Jan. 18 — and could fetch an eye-popping $500,000. The pocket Flintlock pistols, which were for personal use, are not the guns Hamilton used in his ill-fated 1804 duel with Aaron Burr, where he died from his injuries. “They are small enough so they could fit one in each pocket, that’s why they’re sold two at a time,” said Martha Willoughby, a specialist in Christie’s Americana department. https://nypost.com/2024/01/06/news/alexander-hamiltons-pistols-up-for-auction-at-christies/ |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:52:36 AM EDT
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Can we start a gofundme page so I can buy them? Asking for a friend... that's me. I'm the friend.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:53:25 AM EDT
[#2]
The 365 prototype.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:54:45 AM EDT
[#3]
See, that's the kind of stuff I'd buy if I had stupid money. Not dumb super cars, not dumb overinflated watches... I'd buy historical artifacts (mainly American Revolution era) to fill up one wing of my house on my 100 acres in central Florida.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:54:59 AM EDT
[#4]
I’m not sure they did him any good.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:56:02 AM EDT
[#5]
Shouldn't it be a brace of pistols, not a "set". Sounds like Legos.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:56:05 AM EDT
[#6]
French made, I’ll pass.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:57:26 AM EDT
[#7]
How about Aaron Burr's?
 Those pistols in OP are awesome. I would love to own something like that. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:57:40 AM EDT
[#8]
That's really cool.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:57:53 AM EDT
[#9]
Needs an rmr cut, more aggressive stippling, and lightening cuts.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:58:24 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Needs an rmr cut, more aggressive stippling, and lightening cuts. and, a can. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:58:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:58:54 AM EDT
[#12]
I actually thought it would go higher than $500k
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:59:48 AM EDT
[#13]
But... you can't hit anything with them..
(Too soon? ) |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:01:24 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we start a gofundme page so I can buy them? Asking for a friend... that's me. I'm the friend. I'm actually a decendant of Hamilton. Someone should buy them for me. 
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:01:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure they did him any good. The duel itself was more a symbol of restoring transgressions of honor than a true blood lust. (Although that obviously wasn't always the case) But round ball, smooth poor pistols are wildly inaccurate, and that ball is going to go where ever it damn well pleases. So the danger is always ever present, even if your opponent didn't *intend* on killing you. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:04:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm actually a decendant of Hamilton. Someone should buy them for me. You should buy us all a stiff drink as compensation for having to listen to that fucking musical. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:09:09 PM EDT
[#17]
 Michael Bay Original Got Milk Commercial 1993 Who Shot Alexander Hamilton? Aaron Burr |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:09:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's quite a bit of evidence that both men intended to "throw their shot", as was not uncommon in dueling. The duel itself was more a symbol of restoring transgressions of honor than a true blood lust. (Although that obviously wasn't always the case) But round ball, smooth poor pistols are wildly inaccurate, and that ball is going to go where ever it damn well pleases. So the danger is always ever present, even if your opponent didn't *intend* on killing you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not sure they did him any good. The duel itself was more a symbol of restoring transgressions of honor than a true blood lust. (Although that obviously wasn't always the case) But round ball, smooth poor pistols are wildly inaccurate, and that ball is going to go where ever it damn well pleases. So the danger is always ever present, even if your opponent didn't *intend* on killing you. Hamilton seemingly intended to miss, or he discharged too soon into the air. Burr, I'm not so sure, that guy was really grinding an axe and his subsequent actions in life did not indicate he would be the kind of guy to pass up the chance to kill someone he had an ego beef with. Overall though you're very spot on about most duels. 90% were diffused before it came as far as pulling the trigger, but there were still enough happening that, I believe it was the Navy, banned them because they were affecting manpower. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:11:36 PM EDT
[#19]
wood carry
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hamilton seemingly intended to miss, or he discharged too soon into the air. Burr, I'm not so sure, that guy was really grinding an axe and his subsequent actions in life did not indicate he would be the kind of guy to pass up the chance to kill someone he had an ego beef with. Overall though you're very spot on about most duels. 90% were diffused before it came as far as pulling the trigger, but there were still enough happening that, I believe it was the Navy, banned them because they were affecting manpower. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure they did him any good. The duel itself was more a symbol of restoring transgressions of honor than a true blood lust. (Although that obviously wasn't always the case) But round ball, smooth poor pistols are wildly inaccurate, and that ball is going to go where ever it damn well pleases. So the danger is always ever present, even if your opponent didn't *intend* on killing you. Hamilton seemingly intended to miss, or he discharged too soon into the air. Burr, I'm not so sure, that guy was really grinding an axe and his subsequent actions in life did not indicate he would be the kind of guy to pass up the chance to kill someone he had an ego beef with. Overall though you're very spot on about most duels. 90% were diffused before it came as far as pulling the trigger, but there were still enough happening that, I believe it was the Navy, banned them because they were affecting manpower. "shocked and surprised" that Hamilton had been struck. But they quickly ushered him away and back to the boat that was waiting. Of course, we'll never really know what his intention was, but that's part of history ... trying to piece the puzzle together I suppose. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:21:42 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should buy us all a stiff drink as compensation for having to listen to that fucking musical. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm actually a decendant of Hamilton. Someone should buy them for me. You should buy us all a stiff drink as compensation for having to listen to that fucking musical. "musical" 
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:23:25 PM EDT
[#22]
Someone needs to buy them quick before the feds direct Bitchmade to destroy them.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:23:48 PM EDT
[#23]
Weapon of war.
Founding Fathers never envisioned a device so destructive. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:34:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My conclusion for that comes from a first hand account from Burr's doctor who was present, who later wrote that Burr was initially "shocked and surprised" that Hamilton had been struck. But they quickly ushered him away and back to the boat that was waiting. Of course, we'll never really know what his intention was, but that's part of history ... trying to piece the puzzle together I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure they did him any good. The duel itself was more a symbol of restoring transgressions of honor than a true blood lust. (Although that obviously wasn't always the case) But round ball, smooth poor pistols are wildly inaccurate, and that ball is going to go where ever it damn well pleases. So the danger is always ever present, even if your opponent didn't *intend* on killing you. Hamilton seemingly intended to miss, or he discharged too soon into the air. Burr, I'm not so sure, that guy was really grinding an axe and his subsequent actions in life did not indicate he would be the kind of guy to pass up the chance to kill someone he had an ego beef with. Overall though you're very spot on about most duels. 90% were diffused before it came as far as pulling the trigger, but there were still enough happening that, I believe it was the Navy, banned them because they were affecting manpower. "shocked and surprised" that Hamilton had been struck. But they quickly ushered him away and back to the boat that was waiting. Of course, we'll never really know what his intention was, but that's part of history ... trying to piece the puzzle together I suppose. Interesting, thanks. Yeah that would certainly seem to indicate he didn't think it would turn out that way. Or maybe he was having a "what have I done"/shit just got real moment. Has there ever been a movie made of that whole episode? |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:39:55 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, thanks. Yeah that would certainly seem to indicate he didn't think it would turn out that way. Or maybe he was having a "what have I done"/shit just got real moment. Has there ever been a movie made of that whole episode? that led up to it in the first place. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:47:25 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone needs to buy them quick before the feds direct Bitchmade to destroy them. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:49:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Those would be interesting to own. I would be tempted to shoot them once.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 12:54:51 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually thought it would go higher than $500k They will |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:05:08 PM EDT
[#29]
Maybe BLM can buy them. Wasn't Hamilton black?
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:05:44 PM EDT
[#30]
PSA should buy it to go with the DL44 in the "Shot First" collection.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:11:25 PM EDT
[#31]
Any provenance that he might have used these at the battle of Yorktown where he led the assault on Redoubt no. 10?
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:14:34 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should buy us all a stiff drink as compensation for having to listen to that fucking musical. As many times as my wife has forced me to listen to that bullshit, I wish I had $500,000 lying around, I'd buy them for her .. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:17:29 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hamilton seemingly intended to miss, or he discharged too soon into the air. Burr, I'm not so sure, that guy was really grinding an axe and his subsequent actions in life did not indicate he would be the kind of guy to pass up the chance to kill someone he had an ego beef with. Overall though you're very spot on about most duels. 90% were diffused before it came as far as pulling the trigger, but there were still enough happening that, I believe it was the Navy, banned them because they were affecting manpower. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure they did him any good. The duel itself was more a symbol of restoring transgressions of honor than a true blood lust. (Although that obviously wasn't always the case) But round ball, smooth poor pistols are wildly inaccurate, and that ball is going to go where ever it damn well pleases. So the danger is always ever present, even if your opponent didn't *intend* on killing you. Hamilton seemingly intended to miss, or he discharged too soon into the air. Burr, I'm not so sure, that guy was really grinding an axe and his subsequent actions in life did not indicate he would be the kind of guy to pass up the chance to kill someone he had an ego beef with. Overall though you're very spot on about most duels. 90% were diffused before it came as far as pulling the trigger, but there were still enough happening that, I believe it was the Navy, banned them because they were affecting manpower. Burr was the epitome of a POS |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:47:05 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: French made, I'll pass. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:15:31 PM EDT
[#35]
Ah yes, pocket carry, in yor britches. Short and highly maneuverable.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:30:57 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Burr was the epitome of a POS Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure they did him any good. The duel itself was more a symbol of restoring transgressions of honor than a true blood lust. (Although that obviously wasn't always the case) But round ball, smooth poor pistols are wildly inaccurate, and that ball is going to go where ever it damn well pleases. So the danger is always ever present, even if your opponent didn't *intend* on killing you. Hamilton seemingly intended to miss, or he discharged too soon into the air. Burr, I'm not so sure, that guy was really grinding an axe and his subsequent actions in life did not indicate he would be the kind of guy to pass up the chance to kill someone he had an ego beef with. Overall though you're very spot on about most duels. 90% were diffused before it came as far as pulling the trigger, but there were still enough happening that, I believe it was the Navy, banned them because they were affecting manpower. Burr was the epitome of a POS Yep. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:33:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/christies-one-final-note-letter-74439462.jpg?resize=1042,709&quality=75&strip=all https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/christie-s-property-metropolitan-museum-74439464.jpg?resize=1495,1536&quality=75&strip=all A set of pistols belonging to Founding Father Alexander Hamilton is up for auction by Christie’s starting Jan. 18 — and could fetch an eye-popping $500,000. The pocket Flintlock pistols, which were for personal use, are not the guns Hamilton used in his ill-fated 1804 duel with Aaron Burr, where he died from his injuries. “They are small enough so they could fit one in each pocket, that’s why they’re sold two at a time,” said Martha Willoughby, a specialist in Christie’s Americana department. https://nypost.com/2024/01/06/news/alexander-hamiltons-pistols-up-for-auction-at-christies/ Didn't need them anyway. Old Al Ham was a sucky shot. Aaron Burr, however, was a true marksman, which is why Ham died and Burr lived a long and full life. History lesson right here, kids: Don't suck at pistol shooting and expect to win a gunfight (or a "duel," as such events were called back then). |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:39:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't need them anyway. Old Al Ham was a sucky shot. Aaron Burr, however, was a true marksman, which is why Ham died and Burr lived a long and full life. History lesson right here, kids: Don't suck at pistol shooting and expect to win a gunfight (or a "duel," as such events were called back then). Actually many accounts say Old Ham deliberately missed since he really was not out to kill Burr Burr took the opportunity to murder a defenseless man who he knew had not shot at him. One of reasons Burr had to flee because it was considered unsportsmanlike and evil to shoot an unarmed man who was no threat. Edit: There are differing accounts on whether Burr knew that Hamilton deliberately missed or that they fire almost simultaneously. However it appears Burr showed no regret in killing Hamilton even after the fact he found out that Hamilton may have deliberately missed. Burr’s life and subsequent events shows that he was a POS. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:40:32 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Up until the 1900s, the French arguably made the best guns in the world. With the exception of the Chauchat hurriedly made in .30-06, the French have always made good weapons. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:41:16 PM EDT
[#40]
I would shoot those.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:41:35 PM EDT
[#41]
Cool story OP.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:43:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:44:06 PM EDT
[#43]
Where do you hook up the red dot to?
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:48:24 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .....I believe it was the Navy, banned them because they were affecting manpower. The Irish Parliament at one point had so many MPs laid up from duels that it couldn't convene. Seems the Irish weren't as into "throwing the shot" as some other cultures. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:26:16 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shouldn't it be a brace of pistols, not a "set". Sounds like Legos. @robertmegar Yes you are right. Running two bird dogs together they are a brace, and three are a set. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:32:02 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should buy us all a stiff drink as compensation for having to listen to that fucking musical. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm actually a decendant of Hamilton. Someone should buy them for me. You should buy us all a stiff drink as compensation for having to listen to that fucking musical. That is not enough. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:33:36 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My conclusion for that comes from a first hand account from Burr's doctor who was present, who later wrote that Burr was initially "shocked and surprised" that Hamilton had been struck. But they quickly ushered him away and back to the boat that was waiting. Of course, we'll never really know what his intention was, but that's part of history ... trying to piece the puzzle together I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure they did him any good. The duel itself was more a symbol of restoring transgressions of honor than a true blood lust. (Although that obviously wasn't always the case) But round ball, smooth poor pistols are wildly inaccurate, and that ball is going to go where ever it damn well pleases. So the danger is always ever present, even if your opponent didn't *intend* on killing you. Hamilton seemingly intended to miss, or he discharged too soon into the air. Burr, I'm not so sure, that guy was really grinding an axe and his subsequent actions in life did not indicate he would be the kind of guy to pass up the chance to kill someone he had an ego beef with. Overall though you're very spot on about most duels. 90% were diffused before it came as far as pulling the trigger, but there were still enough happening that, I believe it was the Navy, banned them because they were affecting manpower. "shocked and surprised" that Hamilton had been struck. But they quickly ushered him away and back to the boat that was waiting. Of course, we'll never really know what his intention was, but that's part of history ... trying to piece the puzzle together I suppose. The ATF knows his intent. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:35:55 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA should buy it to go with the DL44 in the "Shot First" collection. No need to buy it. They can make a knock off. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:37:18 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't need them anyway. Old Al Ham was a sucky shot. Aaron Burr, however, was a true marksman, which is why Ham died and Burr lived a long and full life. History lesson right here, kids: Don't suck at pistol shooting and expect to win a gunfight (or a "duel," as such events were called back then). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/christies-one-final-note-letter-74439462.jpg?resize=1042,709&quality=75&strip=all https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/christie-s-property-metropolitan-museum-74439464.jpg?resize=1495,1536&quality=75&strip=all A set of pistols belonging to Founding Father Alexander Hamilton is up for auction by Christie’s starting Jan. 18 — and could fetch an eye-popping $500,000. The pocket Flintlock pistols, which were for personal use, are not the guns Hamilton used in his ill-fated 1804 duel with Aaron Burr, where he died from his injuries. “They are small enough so they could fit one in each pocket, that’s why they’re sold two at a time,” said Martha Willoughby, a specialist in Christie’s Americana department. https://nypost.com/2024/01/06/news/alexander-hamiltons-pistols-up-for-auction-at-christies/ Didn't need them anyway. Old Al Ham was a sucky shot. Aaron Burr, however, was a true marksman, which is why Ham died and Burr lived a long and full life. History lesson right here, kids: Don't suck at pistol shooting and expect to win a gunfight (or a "duel," as such events were called back then). Yet history and you have different accounts. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:39:19 PM EDT
[#50]
Cool pieces of history. I wish I had the dough to acquire them.
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