Posted: 9/30/2013 1:36:56 PM EDT
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According to this article, Alaska is asserting and enforcing the 10th Amendment.
http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/alaska-nullification/ Alaska Just Nullified Unconstitutional Gun Control Laws
The 49th state to join the Union has become the second to successfully traverse the perilous waters of nullification. In a sweeping reform, the state of Alaska has deemed that rights of the citizenry guaranteed under the state and national constitutions will no longer be ignored or side-stepped by an over-zealous federal government. Utilizing the Tenth Amendment — which protects the rights of states to do whatever the federal government can’t do — Alaska has completely cut funding to a number of unconstitutional and illegal federal programs, including programs that violate the Second Amendment. This means enforcing those laws in Alaska is now essentially impossible. |
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According to this article, Alaska is asserting and enforcing the 10th Amendment. http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/alaska-nullification/ Alaska Just Nullified Unconstitutional Gun Control Laws
The 49th state to join the Union has become the second to successfully traverse the perilous waters of nullification. In a sweeping reform, the state of Alaska has deemed that rights of the citizenry guaranteed under the state and national constitutions will no longer be ignored or side-stepped by an over-zealous federal government. Utilizing the Tenth Amendment — which protects the rights of states to do whatever the federal government can’t do — Alaska has completely cut funding to a number of unconstitutional and illegal federal programs, including programs that violate the Second Amendment. This means enforcing those laws in Alaska is now essentially impossible. Fuckin A! Way to go Alaska! |
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This is old news.
Kansas did it, too. Just in case anyone else is oblivious. Missouri tried, Gov. Nixon vetoed, they had the votes to override, and all the PDs in the state cried that they wouldn't get any more Fed $$$, so the Mo. Senate declined to override by ONE STINKING VOTE. Montana passed one of the pro 2A nullification acts only to have the 9th Circus say they can't do that. Hopefully it's being appealed. Many states have a 2nd Amendment Preservation Act in progress (passed through one house) but we need to light a fire under our state legislators and get this stuff signed into law. |
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All that open country, you'd figure the locals could keep thuggery like that in check. Quoted:
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As nice of a gesture as this is AK is not a bastion of freedom. You want to see some governments and police who border on real thuggery...go to AK. All that open country, you'd figure the locals could keep thuggery like that in check. I would be curious to see the officer to person ratio, with all that oil money be willing to be it is higher than many people would expect. What is funny I have hunted in some very remote places and have come across troopers hundreds of miles into actual wilderness. |
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As nice of a gesture as this is AK is not a bastion of freedom. You want to see some governments and police who border on real thuggery...go to AK. Do you live in AK? Technically, yes. Lived there as a teenager, went to school in the lower 48. Worked in the lower 48 for many years but would go back 2-3 times a year to grouse and ptarmigan hunt. Saved up built dream house in AK a couple of years ago. Wife is up there now and I am currently doing a field trial circuit with my dogs and making trips up every few weeks until the end of Dec. when I have to go back to work. |
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Does that mean I can make my own lightning link now? pretty much, as long as you don't try to sell it out of the state. The bill basically expands on the firearms freedom act whereas certain federally regulated items such as machine guns could be manufactured purely in the state and kept there to include all such firearms regardless of where they were manufactured. Even though they don't have state funding I am sure there are probably some feds that still wouldn't have any trouble busting you... |
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According to this article, Alaska is asserting and enforcing the 10th Amendment. http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/alaska-nullification/ Alaska Just Nullified Unconstitutional Gun Control Laws
The 49th state to join the Union has become the second to successfully traverse the perilous waters of nullification. In a sweeping reform, the state of Alaska has deemed that rights of the citizenry guaranteed under the state and national constitutions will no longer be ignored or side-stepped by an over-zealous federal government. Utilizing the Tenth Amendment — which protects the rights of states to do whatever the federal government can’t do — Alaska has completely cut funding to a number of unconstitutional and illegal federal programs, including programs that violate the Second Amendment. This means enforcing those laws in Alaska is now essentially impossible. Someone is confused here. Either Alaska, about who funds federal programs, or me, about what Alaska is actually doing. Alaska cannot cut funding to federal programs. They don't fund them. |
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Someone is confused here. Either Alaska, about who funds federal programs, or me, about what Alaska is actually doing. Alaska cannot cut funding to federal programs. They don't fund them. Quoted:
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According to this article, Alaska is asserting and enforcing the 10th Amendment. http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/alaska-nullification/ Alaska Just Nullified Unconstitutional Gun Control Laws
The 49th state to join the Union has become the second to successfully traverse the perilous waters of nullification. In a sweeping reform, the state of Alaska has deemed that rights of the citizenry guaranteed under the state and national constitutions will no longer be ignored or side-stepped by an over-zealous federal government. Utilizing the Tenth Amendment — which protects the rights of states to do whatever the federal government can’t do — Alaska has completely cut funding to a number of unconstitutional and illegal federal programs, including programs that violate the Second Amendment. This means enforcing those laws in Alaska is now essentially impossible. Someone is confused here. Either Alaska, about who funds federal programs, or me, about what Alaska is actually doing. Alaska cannot cut funding to federal programs. They don't fund them. I took it as the state would no longer give the FED's money for certain things. |
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According to this article, Alaska is asserting and enforcing the 10th Amendment. http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/alaska-nullification/ Alaska Just Nullified Unconstitutional Gun Control Laws
The 49th state to join the Union has become the second to successfully traverse the perilous waters of nullification. In a sweeping reform, the state of Alaska has deemed that rights of the citizenry guaranteed under the state and national constitutions will no longer be ignored or side-stepped by an over-zealous federal government. Utilizing the Tenth Amendment — which protects the rights of states to do whatever the federal government can’t do — Alaska has completely cut funding to a number of unconstitutional and illegal federal programs, including programs that violate the Second Amendment. This means enforcing those laws in Alaska is now essentially impossible. Someone is confused here. Either Alaska, about who funds federal programs, or me, about what Alaska is actually doing. Alaska cannot cut funding to federal programs. They don't fund them. I took it as the state would no longer give the FED's money for certain things. I don't think they have any control over that. Isn't income tax directly taken from the people? |
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Does it contain provisions for seizure of federal assets and indefinite detainment of federal agents attempting to enforce federal gun laws? If not, it doesn't mean much. Yup. The States have to be willing to back up such laws with force, or else such laws are purely symbolic. At least Alaska's militia is armed, though. |
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I don't think they have any control over that. Isn't income tax directly taken from the people? Quoted:
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According to this article, Alaska is asserting and enforcing the 10th Amendment. http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/alaska-nullification/ Alaska Just Nullified Unconstitutional Gun Control Laws
The 49th state to join the Union has become the second to successfully traverse the perilous waters of nullification. In a sweeping reform, the state of Alaska has deemed that rights of the citizenry guaranteed under the state and national constitutions will no longer be ignored or side-stepped by an over-zealous federal government. Utilizing the Tenth Amendment — which protects the rights of states to do whatever the federal government can’t do — Alaska has completely cut funding to a number of unconstitutional and illegal federal programs, including programs that violate the Second Amendment. This means enforcing those laws in Alaska is now essentially impossible. Someone is confused here. Either Alaska, about who funds federal programs, or me, about what Alaska is actually doing. Alaska cannot cut funding to federal programs. They don't fund them. I took it as the state would no longer give the FED's money for certain things. I don't think they have any control over that. Isn't income tax directly taken from the people? They have state revenue from oil...that is my only guess. |
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Yup. The States have to be willing to back up such laws with force, or else such laws are purely symbolic. At least Alaska's militia is armed, though. Quoted:
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Does it contain provisions for seizure of federal assets and indefinite detainment of federal agents attempting to enforce federal gun laws? If not, it doesn't mean much. Yup. The States have to be willing to back up such laws with force, or else such laws are purely symbolic. At least Alaska's militia is armed, though. It does. |
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According to this article, Alaska is asserting and enforcing the 10th Amendment. http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/alaska-nullification/ Alaska Just Nullified Unconstitutional Gun Control Laws
The 49th state to join the Union has become the second to successfully traverse the perilous waters of nullification. In a sweeping reform, the state of Alaska has deemed that rights of the citizenry guaranteed under the state and national constitutions will no longer be ignored or side-stepped by an over-zealous federal government. Utilizing the Tenth Amendment — which protects the rights of states to do whatever the federal government can’t do — Alaska has completely cut funding to a number of unconstitutional and illegal federal programs, including programs that violate the Second Amendment. This means enforcing those laws in Alaska is now essentially impossible. I really need to move back up north. |
| The whole thing is laughable tho. There is more Federal land than public/private land in AK. There is so much fed money dumped here as soon as they threaten to stop any of it the state leadership cowers and whores the state to the FED even tho we have so much surplus funds we dont know what to do with. financally the state would be fine with 0 federal dollars but the state loves to suck it up. Also over 60% of Alaskans work for some form of government be it Fed, State or Local. |
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Technically, yes. Lived there as a teenager, went to school in the lower 48. Worked in the lower 48 for many years but would go back 2-3 times a year to grouse and ptarmigan hunt. Saved up built dream house in AK a couple of years ago. Wife is up there now and I am currently doing a field trial circuit with my dogs and making trips up every few weeks until the end of Dec. when I have to go back to work. Quoted:
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As nice of a gesture as this is AK is not a bastion of freedom. You want to see some governments and police who border on real thuggery...go to AK. Do you live in AK? Technically, yes. Lived there as a teenager, went to school in the lower 48. Worked in the lower 48 for many years but would go back 2-3 times a year to grouse and ptarmigan hunt. Saved up built dream house in AK a couple of years ago. Wife is up there now and I am currently doing a field trial circuit with my dogs and making trips up every few weeks until the end of Dec. when I have to go back to work. Thanks for the reply. The reason I asked is because I'm thinking about relocating to Alaska, and perhaps you can answer some questions when the time comes. |
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Thanks for the reply. The reason I asked is because I'm thinking about relocating to Alaska, and perhaps you can answer some questions when the time comes. Quoted:
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As nice of a gesture as this is AK is not a bastion of freedom. You want to see some governments and police who border on real thuggery...go to AK. Do you live in AK? Technically, yes. Lived there as a teenager, went to school in the lower 48. Worked in the lower 48 for many years but would go back 2-3 times a year to grouse and ptarmigan hunt. Saved up built dream house in AK a couple of years ago. Wife is up there now and I am currently doing a field trial circuit with my dogs and making trips up every few weeks until the end of Dec. when I have to go back to work. Thanks for the reply. The reason I asked is because I'm thinking about relocating to Alaska, and perhaps you can answer some questions when the time comes. Feel free...just PM me. Don't get me wrong, it is the most beautiful place on the planet. Everyday I am away from it, it literally calls me. Sounds a little gay...I know  I just can't descrbe it any other way. You either love it or hate it, that is for sure.
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Feel free...just PM me. Don't get me wrong, it is the most beautiful place on the planet. Everyday I am away from it, it literally calls me. Sounds a little gay...I know I just can't descrbe it any other way. You either love it or hate it, that is for sure.Quoted:
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As nice of a gesture as this is AK is not a bastion of freedom. You want to see some governments and police who border on real thuggery...go to AK. Do you live in AK? Technically, yes. Lived there as a teenager, went to school in the lower 48. Worked in the lower 48 for many years but would go back 2-3 times a year to grouse and ptarmigan hunt. Saved up built dream house in AK a couple of years ago. Wife is up there now and I am currently doing a field trial circuit with my dogs and making trips up every few weeks until the end of Dec. when I have to go back to work. Thanks for the reply. The reason I asked is because I'm thinking about relocating to Alaska, and perhaps you can answer some questions when the time comes. Feel free...just PM me. Don't get me wrong, it is the most beautiful place on the planet. Everyday I am away from it, it literally calls me. Sounds a little gay...I know I just can't descrbe it any other way. You either love it or hate it, that is for sure.Thanks! |
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Does it contain provisions for seizure of federal assets and indefinite detainment of federal agents attempting to enforce federal gun laws? If not, it doesn't mean much. Yup. The States have to be willing to back up such laws with force, or else such laws are purely symbolic. At least Alaska's militia is armed, though. It does. But does it have the will to accompany such provisions? That's the real question. The States have become so dependent on Uncle Sam's teet and have neutered their capacity for the use of force vis a vis the central government that I'm not sure any State would be willing to do what is necessary, regardless of what laws they might pass. I'd like to see it, but I'm not sure it's there to be seen. |
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Article 1, Section 8 lists the 17 enumerated powers of the Congress. It has the power to tax. If you read the Federalist Paper No 41, the General Welfare clause in Section 8, provides the Congress the power to spent money on those enumerated powers. James Madison, Readers Digest version, said the General Welfare clause is not an open pocketbook.
Part of his argument was, what if the Congress wanted to spend money to prevent free speech, prevent private property ownership, gun control, Obama Care, search and seizure without a warrant or probable care, etc. Madison said the General Welfare is not about individuals. It is the authority of the federal government to spend money on the 17 enumerated powers. John Roberts was correct... Feds have power to tax. He just left out the limitations of the power to spend. Madison was the author of the Constitution. I have been hammering my congressman with this. Time to turn to Rik Perry. BRAVO to Alaska. |
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If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. Quoted:
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Let's see what Alaska does when the feds come to arrest someone manufacturing machine guns in their state... If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. And if anyone thinks that Alaska State Troopers are going to stop BATFE agents carrying out an arrest, they are hallucinating. |
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And if anyone thinks that Alaska State Troopers are going to stop BATFE agents carrying out an arrest, they are hallucinating. Quoted:
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Let's see what Alaska does when the feds come to arrest someone manufacturing machine guns in their state... If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. And if anyone thinks that Alaska State Troopers are going to stop BATFE agents carrying out an arrest, they are hallucinating. Spot on. lol stop... 
Even if they couldn't directly help the BATF they would be there to cheer them on  .
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And if anyone thinks that Alaska State Troopers are going to stop BATFE agents carrying out an arrest, they are hallucinating. Quoted:
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Let's see what Alaska does when the feds come to arrest someone manufacturing machine guns in their state... If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. And if anyone thinks that Alaska State Troopers are going to stop BATFE agents carrying out an arrest, they are hallucinating. yes, but the point is, will AST enforce federal firearms laws? say they get a report of automatic gunfire. they check it out and the MG is not registered... then what? also, will city LEOs arrest someone for having an unregistered MG? not that any of this matters anyway as there is PLENTY of federal law enforcement in AK, at least there is around here. we have: NOAA enforcement, they enforce subsistence fishing regs. USFS enforcement. this guy checked me out once for my registered F/A, of course, i was shooting at the range and he was right there too. asked me if it was legal and i said yes and that was that). USCG enforcement on the water. any of these federal agencies can nail someone for illegal firearms. |
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If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. Quoted:
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Let's see what Alaska does when the feds come to arrest someone manufacturing machine guns in their state... If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. How do you manufacture one illegally? If you make one for your own personal use on your own person property and it never leaves said property was it manufactured illegally? is the mere possession of said firearm an infringement of the law, or does the infringement occur when you try to sell, trade or transport the firearm into another's property or possession? |
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Spot on. lol stop...
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Let's see what Alaska does when the feds come to arrest someone manufacturing machine guns in their state... If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. And if anyone thinks that Alaska State Troopers are going to stop BATFE agents carrying out an arrest, they are hallucinating. Spot on. lol stop...
Even if they couldn't directly help the BATF they would be there to cheer them on .That sure seems the case...watch a few episodes of "Alaska State Troopers" 
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If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. Quoted:
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Let's see what Alaska does when the feds come to arrest someone manufacturing machine guns in their state... If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. Exactly. The "nullification" means nothing if you aren't willing to RESIST federal enforcement. |
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yes, but the point is, will AST enforce federal firearms laws? say they get a report of automatic gunfire. they check it out and the MG is not registered... Quoted:
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Let's see what Alaska does when the feds come to arrest someone manufacturing machine guns in their state... If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. And if anyone thinks that Alaska State Troopers are going to stop BATFE agents carrying out an arrest, they are hallucinating. yes, but the point is, will AST enforce federal firearms laws? say they get a report of automatic gunfire. they check it out and the MG is not registered... State and Local police do not enforce federal laws. Most states have laws similar to Federal laws on the books. |
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How do you manufacture one illegally? If you make one for your own personal use on your own person property and it never leaves said property was it manufactured illegally? Quoted:
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Let's see what Alaska does when the feds come to arrest someone manufacturing machine guns in their state... If anyone thinks the BATF isn't going to arrest anyone that manufactures a machine gun illegally, they are dreaming. How do you manufacture one illegally? If you make one for your own personal use on your own person property and it never leaves said property was it manufactured illegally? Absolutely. is the mere possession of said firearm an infringement of the law, or does the infringement occur when you try to sell, trade or transport the firearm into another's property or possession? Absolutely. And they will prosecute you and put you in PMITA Federal Prison. Never doubt this for one minute. |