Posted: 6/20/2014 5:26:09 PM EDT
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* As inspired by the A-10/WWII thread*
You are being sent back to the Alamo just days before it is overrun by the army of Santa Ana. You bring with you only the clothing on your back and a further 10 lbs of whatever you choose to bring. If you bring a 1911, you can bring an additional 7 lbs of ammunition. You can bring 10 lbs of gold and hope to bribe the Mexican General. You can bring 8 lbs of anthrax and a 2lb fan. What would you bring? |
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Remington 700 BDL win .270 and Leupold Mark 4 6.5-20x50mm, the rest would be ammo (not many rounds) Objective: Take out General Santa Anna and or as many senior officers from a distance. It's a long shot, but hell, a 1911 isn't going to change the course of history.
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed.
No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed |
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed better to bring a Texas history book to share with the defenders to get them to do a strategic withdrawl from the mission. |
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Quoted: If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed Im sure one person with a mini gun could change things pretty fast |
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better to bring a Texas history book to share with the defenders to get them to do a strategic withdrawl from the mission. Quoted:
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed better to bring a Texas history book to share with the defenders to get them to do a strategic withdrawl from the mission. Why would you sacrifice the most successful defeat in North American history? 
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed better to bring a Texas history book to share with the defenders to get them to do a strategic withdrawl from the mission. Why would you sacrifice the most successful defeat in North American history? I wonder if that is how they felt while getting bayoneted. |
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I'm not gonna go digging for the dupe but someone did this already with a team of buddies and a "what weapons would you bring"
I'd rather the question be what garage shaped sized item would you want to take back in time to Pearl Harbor the day before the attack? |
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I'm not gonna go digging for the dupe but someone did this already with a team of buddies and a "what weapons would you bring" I'd rather the question be what garage shaped sized item would you want to take back in time to Pearl Harbor the day before the attack? I could think of a couple items that would do as much damage and take up less space. A couple or three for Japan and probably half dozen for Krautland. |
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I wonder if that is how they felt while getting bayoneted. Quoted:
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Quoted: better to bring a Texas history book to share with the defenders to get them to do a strategic withdrawl from the mission. Why would you sacrifice the most successful defeat in North American history? I wonder if that is how they felt while getting bayoneted. Oh, absolutely not. But it gave Santa Anna the overconfidence to sortie to San Jacinto, where the Mexican Army was slaughtered. And the lack of quarter at the Alamo gave the Texians blood lust for revenge. If you win the Alamo, there's no guarantee you win the war. But, from the other thread, what rock band should play @ the battle, as long as we're going back in time? |
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Oh, absolutely not. But it gave Santa Anna the overconfidence to sortie to San Jacinto, where the Mexican Army was slaughtered. And the lack of quarter at the Alamo gave the Texians blood lust for revenge. If you win the Alamo, there's no guarantee you win the war. But, from the other thread, what rock band should play @ the battle, as long as we're going back in time? Quoted:
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Quoted: better to bring a Texas history book to share with the defenders to get them to do a strategic withdrawl from the mission. Why would you sacrifice the most successful defeat in North American history? I wonder if that is how they felt while getting bayoneted. Oh, absolutely not. But it gave Santa Anna the overconfidence to sortie to San Jacinto, where the Mexican Army was slaughtered. And the lack of quarter at the Alamo gave the Texians blood lust for revenge. If you win the Alamo, there's no guarantee you win the war. But, from the other thread, what rock band should play @ the battle, as long as we're going back in time? Who said anything about winning, I said strategic withdrawl. |
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Im sure one person with a mini gun could change things pretty fast Quoted:
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed Im sure one person with a mini gun could change things pretty fast The compound was was huge and vulnerable from all four sides. The walls were much lower and crumbling than what the Hollywood movies depicted. There were several breaks in the walls. I suspect one soldier with a mini gun could have protected a substantial field of fire but not prevented the overrun from the other sides. I have never shot a mini gun but my understanding is that they are not that reliable and subject to jamming as they heat up. I suspect that the mini gun soldier could have run up the casualties with a few minutes of intense fire but not have prevented the fall. By the way, some reports says that the Mexicans had already breached the wall at one location before the defenders even knew the attack was under way. We needed a hundred well armed modern Rangers to have prevented the overrun. Either that or a 1000 -1500 additional 1836 soldiers with a few dozen or so more cannons. |
Good camo, a set of NVG's and a suppressed 22 pistol/suppressed AR....Sneak in during the night, pop Santa Anna in the forehead while hes sleeping and see if anyone wants to fight after finding dear leader dead the next morning.
ETA: Hell I might as well up the ante to every officer in attendance, I'm sure all the major leaders might have been in the same general area as far as sleeping quarters went. |
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Who said anything about winning, I said strategic withdrawl. Quoted:
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Quoted: better to bring a Texas history book to share with the defenders to get them to do a strategic withdrawl from the mission. Why would you sacrifice the most successful defeat in North American history? I wonder if that is how they felt while getting bayoneted. Oh, absolutely not. But it gave Santa Anna the overconfidence to sortie to San Jacinto, where the Mexican Army was slaughtered. And the lack of quarter at the Alamo gave the Texians blood lust for revenge. If you win the Alamo, there's no guarantee you win the war. But, from the other thread, what rock band should play @ the battle, as long as we're going back in time? Who said anything about winning, I said strategic withdrawl. Either way - the road to victory for Texas is paved with the blood of the failed defenders of the Alamo. Texas is built on the idea that our founding fathers faced a hopeless cause, and only succeeded after their own deaths. That is our founding myth - an actual event - and gives us the machismo to build Dallas, for example, a city of a million people at the headwaters of the Trinity River - which isn't navigable, never was, and never shall be. No defeat and massacre at the Alamo, no Texas. |
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed I think you underestimate the physchological and morale issue. If the Mexican Army had suddenly run into grazing fire from a single M60, they would have been mentally unprepared to see entire ranks start falling. And once that happened, I could see the Army breaking and running. |
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Good camo, a set of NVG's and a suppressed 22 pistol/suppressed AR....Sneak in during the night, pop Santa Anna in the forehead while hes sleeping and see if anyone wants to fight after finding dear leader dead the next morning. Sam Houston didn't even kill Santa Anna when he had the chance because it was not his death he wanted but the release of Texas. Santa Anna was the only one capable of granting that. I suspect that Santa Anna was pretty well guarded at night and "sneaking in" would not have been as easy as some Hollywood movie script would make it to be. |
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I think you underestimate the physchological and morale issue. If the Mexican Army had suddenly run into grazing fire from a single M60, they would have been mentally unprepared to see entire ranks start falling. And once that happened, I could see the Army breaking and running. Quoted:
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed I think you underestimate the physchological and morale issue. If the Mexican Army had suddenly run into grazing fire from a single M60, they would have been mentally unprepared to see entire ranks start falling. And once that happened, I could see the Army breaking and running. Look at the models and the historic reports of the attack. The area around the compound was huge. Only a small portion of the attacking force would have been able to see the damage done by the M-60. |
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The Alamo itself is surprisingly small. But the Mexicans did lay siege for a few days before the battle, so there would have been time to work with a modern rifle.
That said, maybe some very small mines that would disperse Sarin. Would need to wait for a favorable breeze though. I agree with what was posted above though about the fall of the Alamo leading to the battle of San Jacinto. Santa Ana was over confident after the Alamo. |
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed Agreed. The Alamo was indefensible. However I think any trained infantryman with a 240B and several thousand rounds of ammo would have made a huge difference. |
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Agreed. The Alamo was indefensible. However I think any trained infantryman with a 240B and several thousand rounds of ammo would have made a huge difference. Quoted:
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed Agreed. The Alamo was indefensible. However I think any trained infantryman with a 240B and several thousand rounds of ammo would have made a huge difference. Yes he would have killed a substantial number of Mexicans in his field of fire but remember thousands of other Mexicans were attacking in force from all sides. It was dark and chaotic. The gunner could have been shot in the back from an enemy soldier coming from another direction shortly after the battle started. It was a massive overrun of the compound from all sides that happen in a short period of time. |
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Agreed. The Alamo was indefensible. However I think any trained infantryman with a 240B and several thousand rounds of ammo would have made a huge difference. Quoted:
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If you ever looked at a realistic model of the Alamo you would know that it was indefensible. Despite the Hollywood models it was not much of a fortification. On the morning of March 6th, 1836 the post was overrun in about 20 minutes with all defenders killed. No one person, no matter what weapons he had, could have prevented the fall. Maybe a hundred or so modern day soldiers with the right automatic weapons, plenty of ammo and some mortars could have prevailed Agreed. The Alamo was indefensible. However I think any trained infantryman with a 240B and several thousand rounds of ammo would have made a huge difference. Lol, I hope to fucking shout! If not, the motherfucker belongs in the Air Force. 
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