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Posted: 6/22/2016 9:59:07 AM EDT


https://www.wired.com/2016/06/orlando-homemade-ar-15-industry-surges/

In the wake of the worst mass shooting in US history, many Americans want to ban civilians from buying the AR-15, that ultra-popular, all-American killing tool. But in basements and garages around the country, another group of Americans is collecting the machines and materials to make those firearms in the privacy of their own homes. And for them, just as much as for gun control advocates, Orlando represents a call to arms. Senate Democrats reacted to the massacre by filibustering until Republicans agreed to allow a vote on four gun control measures. Every measure failed on Monday night. But even fears of such legislation have lead gun owners to stock up on guns and ammunition
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the result is a lethal weapon that’s free from background checks, waiting periods, serial numbers, or any other government involvement.
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So how it should be anyways?
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Originally Posted By Tweek218:


So how it should be anyways?
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the result is a lethal weapon that’s free from background checks, waiting periods, serial numbers, or any other government involvement.


So how it should be anyways?



the same way it was from the founding of the country, until the 1960's when they made serial numbers mandatory.
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I'd be tempted to do an 80 lower but all I have is a dremel and a shitty harbor freight drill press. Pretty sure I'd mess it up.
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I guess they'll find out in November...
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The way things are looking here, California might be banning chunks of metal.
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
I'd be tempted to do an 80 lower but all I have is a dremel and a shitty harbor freight drill press. Pretty sure I'd mess it up.
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You can complete it with the drill press
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
I'd be tempted to do an 80 lower but all I have is a dremel and a shitty harbor freight drill press. Pretty sure I'd mess it up.
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
I'd be tempted to do an 80 lower but all I have is a dremel and a shitty harbor freight drill press. Pretty sure I'd mess it up.



Scour locals for a used mini mill. Bought my grizzly for 150 off cl last year, $40 in parts and 25 for a Chinese blue vise copy and all good.

Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Originally Posted By governmentman:
I'd be tempted to do an 80 lower but all I have is a dremel and a shitty harbor freight drill press. Pretty sure I'd mess it up.
You can complete it with the drill press


You can also buy a mill vise that may help with travel and use a end mill with a 3/8 shank
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ARs, Stens, zip guns; the genie cannot be put back in the bottle.
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Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.
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I can't go anywhere without falling into a pile of 7075 aluminum shavings.
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Good.
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I can't go anywhere without falling into a pile of 7075 aluminum shavings.
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Wait until they find out you can *gasp* buy blocks of aluminum on ebay!
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I can't go anywhere without falling into a pile of 7075 aluminum shavings.
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don't go into the shed barefoot, not that I know what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted By AR-180:
ARs, Stens, zip guns; the genie cannot be put back in the bottle.
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700 year old technology that can be made in a cave, a low estimate of 300,000,000 in the US, porous borders that pass thousands of tons of drugs and tens of thousands of illegals a year - the idea of "limiting access to criminals" is hilarious.
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Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.
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Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.


I think you missed the point: you can pretty much make an AR lower out of just about anything. Perhaps they are kind of pointless right now, when you can buy a forged lower for less than $50, but that may not always be the case. It might not last very long, but in certain situations, a plastic lower that nobody knows you have might be very useful when it's illegal to manufacture them.
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Home made AR's should be the least of their worries......

wait till every gangbanger has a garage-built SMG instead of a Jennings or H&R .22 ............
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"All American killing tool"

I'm really sick of sensationalist bullshit. All I want is to be left alone. You treat me like a criminal no matter what I do, then I might as well be one.
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Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.
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Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.
DON'T LIKE WHAT I DON'T APPROVE! is out in full force within a couple posts.


FFS, how do some of you guys get through the day without a stroke or heart attack?

IF the guy wants to experiment with cast uppers that cost $2.50 each to make, who cares if they are only good for a couple hundred rounds. It's fun, and interesting new ground. And the casting materials will only improve with time.
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Originally Posted By chibajoe:


I think you missed the point: you can pretty much make an AR lower out of just about anything. Perhaps they are kind of pointless right now, when you can buy a forged lower for less than $50, but that may not always be the case. It might not last very long, but in certain situations, a plastic lower that nobody knows you have might be very useful when it's illegal to manufacture them.
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Originally Posted By chibajoe:
Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.


I think you missed the point: you can pretty much make an AR lower out of just about anything. Perhaps they are kind of pointless right now, when you can buy a forged lower for less than $50, but that may not always be the case. It might not last very long, but in certain situations, a plastic lower that nobody knows you have might be very useful when it's illegal to manufacture them.

Yes, you can make a weak, breakage prone "lower" out of almost anything. You can also make a helicopter. I'm going to call your argument, The African Helicopter Fallacy


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Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:DON'T LIKE WHAT I DON'T APPROVE! is out in full force within a couple posts.

FFS, how do some of you guys get through the day without a stroke or heart attack?

IF the guy wants to experiment with cast uppers that cost $2.50 each to make, who cares if they are only good for a couple hundred rounds. It's fun, and interesting new ground. And the casting materials will only improve with time.
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$340 plus shipping plus time cost to make shit lowers when you could have half a dozen aluminum lowers for the same cost.

This isn't just stop liking what I don't like. This is fuckin dumb.
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
The way things are looking here, California might be banning chunks of metal.
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At a minimum it will require labeling -

WARNING: This product contains a chemical known to the state of California to cause cancer.
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Originally Posted By Villafuego:
Home made AR's should be the least of their worries......

wait till every gangbanger has a garage-built SMG instead of a Jennings or H&R .22 ............
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/swedishhomemadesmgs5-improguns-660x371.jpg
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Pardon my ignorance, but what types of firearms are those? Are those the Stens?
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Originally Posted By chibajoe:


I think you missed the point: you can pretty much make an AR lower out of just about anything. Perhaps they are kind of pointless right now, when you can buy a forged lower for less than $50, but that may not always be the case. It might not last very long, but in certain situations, a plastic lower that nobody knows you have might be very useful when it's illegal to manufacture them.
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Originally Posted By chibajoe:
Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.


I think you missed the point: you can pretty much make an AR lower out of just about anything. Perhaps they are kind of pointless right now, when you can buy a forged lower for less than $50, but that may not always be the case. It might not last very long, but in certain situations, a plastic lower that nobody knows you have might be very useful when it's illegal to manufacture them.


Some of those "plastic" lowers have been lasting for 300 or more rounds at a time. Plenty enough for a couple of fights. If it breaks, oh well, fall back, pull out a spare lower and rock on. Or, pick up the bad guys guns and use his.
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double tap
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Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Yes, you can make a weak, breakage prone "lower" out of almost anything. You can also make a helicopter. I'm going to call your argument, The African Helicopter Fallacy

http://www.gadgets-club.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/mubarak-muhammad-abdullahihelicopter.jpg
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Originally Posted By Skillshot:
Originally Posted By chibajoe:
Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.


I think you missed the point: you can pretty much make an AR lower out of just about anything. Perhaps they are kind of pointless right now, when you can buy a forged lower for less than $50, but that may not always be the case. It might not last very long, but in certain situations, a plastic lower that nobody knows you have might be very useful when it's illegal to manufacture them.

Yes, you can make a weak, breakage prone "lower" out of almost anything. You can also make a helicopter. I'm going to call your argument, The African Helicopter Fallacy

http://www.gadgets-club.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/mubarak-muhammad-abdullahihelicopter.jpg


You somehow managed to read my post and still completely missed my point.
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Anyone have one of these?





Edit: Looks like they just released a new model:



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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I would have said Sandy Hook was the bigger event. Orlando didn't produce the sudden demand nearly as much as Sandy Hook, unless you're looking to write a crappy online article.

The “ULTIMATE” 80% AR-10 & AR-15 Receiver Jig is… Ultimate
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That's beautiful!

How much???


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Buy ammo. If you cant afford a bunch of ammo, atleast get a bunch of powder and primers. Homemade guns are easy, homemade primers and powder not so much.
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
I'd be tempted to do an 80 lower but all I have is a dremel and a shitty harbor freight drill press. Pretty sure I'd mess it up.
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I would have done half a dozen by now, if the 80% forgings didn't cost nearly as much, if not more, than a commercial lower.
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Just wait til everyone figures out one of the uses of aluminum powder
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Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.
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Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.



Rubbish or not, they certainly have their place.

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Originally Posted By chibajoe:


You somehow managed to read my post and still completely missed my point.
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Originally Posted By chibajoe:
Originally Posted By Skillshot:
Originally Posted By chibajoe:
Originally Posted By Skillshot:

Didn't take long for the rubbish plastic ones to pop up in the thread.


I think you missed the point: you can pretty much make an AR lower out of just about anything. Perhaps they are kind of pointless right now, when you can buy a forged lower for less than $50, but that may not always be the case. It might not last very long, but in certain situations, a plastic lower that nobody knows you have might be very useful when it's illegal to manufacture them.

Yes, you can make a weak, breakage prone "lower" out of almost anything. You can also make a helicopter. I'm going to call your argument, The African Helicopter Fallacy

http://www.gadgets-club.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/mubarak-muhammad-abdullahihelicopter.jpg


You somehow managed to read my post and still completely missed my point.


Your point was better than his point. Hope that makes you feel better about it.
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
I'd be tempted to do an 80 lower but all I have is a dremel and a shitty harbor freight drill press. Pretty sure I'd mess it up.
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That's all I've got. Hasn't stopped me.
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You can hear the routers and dremels whirring
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Peak Aluminum.
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
I'd be tempted to do an 80 lower but all I have is a dremel and a shitty harbor freight drill press. Pretty sure I'd mess it up.
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So,you want to make a Bushmaster?
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Originally Posted By chibajoe:

You somehow managed to read my post and still completely missed my point.
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So you want to fire a few shots then bin it. But it isn't registered, so the only point of that would be to ditch the whole gun. I don't think that would be as useful as your active imagination seems to assume.
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
The way things are looking here, California might be banning chunks of metal.
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Wow, what's left then? Doesn't that mean there's a total ban beyond a few handguns?
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I would have said Sandy Hook was the bigger event. Orlando didn't produce the sudden demand nearly as much as Sandy Hook, unless you're looking to write a crappy online article.

The “ULTIMATE” 80% AR-10 & AR-15 Receiver Jig is… Ultimate
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Damn that looks cool. Not quite as cool as my stack of stripped Anderson lowers, but for some, I see the necessity.
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Ak flats are easier. Too bad aks suck.
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Not to be that guy, but did you click on and read the link?
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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I would have said Sandy Hook was the bigger event. Orlando didn't produce the sudden demand nearly as much as Sandy Hook, unless you're looking to write a crappy online article.

The “ULTIMATE” 80% AR-10 & AR-15 Receiver Jig is… Ultimate
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/4-e1fGVWNQ3e-660x441.jpg


That's beautiful!

How much???

Not to be that guy, but did you click on and read the link?



$189 plus $60 if you need the tool package. Actually less letters than you wrote, and you are a cock for making me read the fucking article.
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$189 plus $60 if you need the tool package. Actually less letters than you wrote, and you are a cock for making me read the fucking article.
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I would have said Sandy Hook was the bigger event. Orlando didn't produce the sudden demand nearly as much as Sandy Hook, unless you're looking to write a crappy online article.

The “ULTIMATE” 80% AR-10 & AR-15 Receiver Jig is… Ultimate
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/4-e1fGVWNQ3e-660x441.jpg


That's beautiful!

How much???

Not to be that guy, but did you click on and read the link?



$189 plus $60 if you need the tool package. Actually less letters than you wrote, and you are a cock for making me read the fucking article.




I appreciate your foul mouthed response.






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Originally Posted By governmentman:
I'd be tempted to do an 80 lower but all I have is a dremel and a shitty harbor freight drill press. Pretty sure I'd mess it up.
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I've done one with a dremel and a hand drill. Go slow, and measure often, checking against a completed one.
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