Posted: 4/3/2001 5:31:03 PM EDT
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A friend of mine and I are putting together an AR. Neither of us could afford to do it by ourselves, so we're going in together. The problem is that we borrowed a friend's pre-ban with collapsible stock to show our wives what we're doing. Both were impressed with the look of the rifle and especially the sights. It seems that they like knobs that click. The problem is that both of our wives are under 5'. When we pulled the stock out so that it's as long as ours is going to be when we finish, they couldn't reach the trigger. The length of pull was too long by about 3". Is there anything we can do about that on our AR? I know we can't put a collapsible stock on the AR, but what sort of adjustable stock can we use? It seems Stoner designed the AR for large soldiers, not their short wives. In pursuit of our marital happiness, any legal solutions? |
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First, just FYI: A pre-ban collapsable stock fully extended is "A1" length; i.e., the same length as the original M16 and M16A1 fixed stock. The current stock (the "A2") is 5/8" LONGER. Anyway, you could conceivably buy a collapsable stock, fix it in position 2 or 3, epoxy in place, then add at least 4 non-removable blind pins (2 per side). This SHOULD leave you with a stock that BATF would consider "fixed", based on their previous approvals. You could then attach the stock to the rifle. Of course, it might then be too short for the guys. A possible solution might be to get one of the rubber extended "recoil pads" made for the collapsable stock and use that when the guys shoot the gun, and remove it (about 1" in length) when the ladies shoot. It isn't at all practical to swap stocks out with any regularity, just FYI. You might also note that US soldiers of all sizes and genders learn on A2-stocked M16s. The fact is that most people don't use the proper hold/stance, which is part of the problem. I would suggest looking for a used, fixed A1 stock (usually $10-15) and see if that isn't acceptable. It would be a heck of a lot less work, and would leave the gun with the more reliable "full-size" recoil system vs. the carbine system. -Troy |
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Rock River Arms sells what they call a "tactical entry stock (i think)." It looks like a short version of the A2 fixed stock. This might be of some help, as it seems to be just a little longer than a fully retracted collapsable stock OR... ZM Weapons sells their "horizontal grip" which is kind of a hook thar exends back toward the stock and provides a hole to put your thumb through. This item is not a pistol grip at all, so what you could do is replace the "evil" pistol grip with he horiz. grip, then add the "evil" collapsable stock. (you're allowed one "evil" feature, no matter what it is) |
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Thanks for the responses guys. Troy, great point about the army teaching lots of men and women to shoot with the AR, but the length of pull is simply too long for both of our (short) wives. It isn't a case of using a proper stance. When I dry-fired my friend's pre-ban, I even moved the stock in about 1.5" from the maximum. Thanks for the pointer to ZM Weapons. Weird idea on the stock, to remove the pistol grip. I guess you hold-up the rifle with your thumb. According to one response from the BATF I've read, a thumbhole on an SKS was considered an "evil feature." Strange interpretation of the law. I'll have to mail (snail mail) a letter to the BATF to see if that'll consider it legal. The RRA tactical stock looks like the leading solution now. I'm waiting to hear back from them on how much shorter it is. |