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Posted: 10/5/2007 5:36:16 PM EDT

There are few movies I can watch over and over. The Professional is one of them.

Watching it the other day, as the the protaginist is hanging upside down from the ceiling shooting at the JBT's unlawfully busting up in his humble abode I pondered something. If you were shooting an AR while hanging upside down from a rafter how would you correctly aim. The projectile wont follow the normal flight course, but will be altered by the reversed force of gravity (FOG). The barrel is already at a rising angle along the alignment of the sights.

Do you aim much higher or normally?

Posted: 10/5/2007 5:40:47 PM EDT

[#1]

Quoted:
Point blank. No problem with ballistic decisions.

The folks he was shooting were less than ten feet from him.

Posted: 10/5/2007 6:42:35 PM EDT

[#2]

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No women, no kids.

-Troy

He was not really a "people person" was he?

Posted: 10/5/2007 6:44:01 PM EDT

[#3]

The knife is the last thing you learn...

or something like that

Posted: 10/5/2007 6:50:06 PM EDT

[#4]

That's one of the best films ever made. Luc Besson is a great director!

Posted: 10/5/2007 7:40:12 PM EDT

[#5]

The Apartment Shootout

Great movie!

Colonel Hurtz

Posted: 10/5/2007 7:52:31 PM EDT

[#6]

I would think it not so hard to do.

Here's a video of me using my Avatar stance and my 1911 to hit a steel target that's about chest size at 20 yards. I aimed the same as if I was shooting upright.

At the beginning of the video the first thing you hear is the ping of my round hitting the steel. The cameraman was slow (it was not planed to record this) with the camera so I did it again.

Me using my Avatar stance & 1911 hitting steel at 20 yards Twice.

I'm sure I could do this with an AR. I will try it on my next range trip.

Posted: 10/5/2007 7:58:56 PM EDT

[#7]

Is that the movie where the JBT's set up a belt fed MG in the hallway of the dudes apt. and then use a rifle grenade in the final assault?

Posted: 10/5/2007 7:59:23 PM EDT

[#8]

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Is that the movie where the JBT's set up a belt fed MG in the hallway of the dudes apt. and then use a rifle grenade in the final assault?

Yes.

Posted: 10/5/2007 8:05:43 PM EDT

[#9]

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There are few movies I can watch over and over. The Professional is one of them.

Watching it the other day, as the the protaginist is hanging upside down from the ceiling shooting at the JBT's unlawfully busting up in his humble abode I pondered something. If you were shooting an AR while hanging upside down from a rafter how would you correctly aim. The projectile wont follow the normal flight course, but will be altered by the reversed force of gravity (FOG). The barrel is already at a rising angle along the alignment of the sights.

Do you aim much higher or normally?

Are you trying to tell me that bullets will ascent to the heavens if i'm shooting upside down?

Posted: 10/5/2007 8:11:41 PM EDT

[#10]

"Do you understand?"

Posted: 10/5/2007 8:33:43 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
"Do you understand?"

Posted: 10/5/2007 8:33:52 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Is that the movie where the JBT's set up a belt fed MG in the hallway of the dudes apt. and then use a rifle grenade in the final assault?

Yes.

The shootout with the cops

Bring me everyone....

EVERYONE!!!!!!

Posted: 10/5/2007 8:53:13 PM EDT

[#13]

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The shootout with the cops

I know it's just a movie, but I have to LOL at the entry.
I do enjoy comedy so yes I enjoyed the movie clip. The movie as a whole was just passably OK.

Posted: 10/5/2007 8:54:31 PM EDT

[#14]

"This... is from... Mathilda."

"Shit."

Posted: 10/5/2007 8:55:44 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
There are few movies I can watch over and over. The Professional is one of them.

Watching it the other day, as the the protaginist is hanging upside down from the ceiling shooting at the JBT's unlawfully busting up in his humble abode I pondered something. If you were shooting an AR while hanging upside down from a rafter how would you correctly aim. The projectile wont follow the normal flight course, but will be altered by the reversed force of gravity (FOG). The barrel is already at a rising angle along the alignment of the sights.

Do you aim much higher or normally?

This sort of problem comes up with shots down into steep canyons. I don't remember the specific physics, but the basic response was "if it's under 300 yards don't worry about it".

Posted: 10/5/2007 9:12:32 PM EDT

[#16]

I just finished watching it again, and that is one AWESOME movie.

Luc Besson is a genius. (Although I did notice a lot of similaritiy to the score of 5th Element - anther great movie)

... also, I am quite intoxicated right now.

Posted: 10/5/2007 9:13:17 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There are few movies I can watch over and over. The Professional is one of them.

Watching it the other day, as the the protaginist is hanging upside down from the ceiling shooting at the JBT's unlawfully busting up in his humble abode I pondered something. If you were shooting an AR while hanging upside down from a rafter how would you correctly aim. The projectile wont follow the normal flight course, but will be altered by the reversed force of gravity (FOG). The barrel is already at a rising angle along the alignment of the sights.

Do you aim much higher or normally?

This sort of problem comes up with shots down into steep canyons. I don't remember the specific physics, but the basic response was "if it's under 300 yards don't worry about it".

Rule of thumb, down hill....aim lower.
Shooting up hill...aim higher.

Can't tell you how much for each shot, as it is too complex for a one X=Y that covers everything.

Posted: 10/5/2007 9:17:33 PM EDT

[#18]

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The projectile wont follow the normal flight course, but will be altered by the reversed force of gravity (FOG).

How would the force of gravity be reversed because you're upside down? Gravity has nothing to do with his shots at that close range, and it certainly wouldn't be reversed.

Posted: 10/5/2007 9:18:03 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There are few movies I can watch over and over. The Professional is one of them.

Watching it the other day, as the the protaginist is hanging upside down from the ceiling shooting at the JBT's unlawfully busting up in his humble abode I pondered something. If you were shooting an AR while hanging upside down from a rafter how would you correctly aim. The projectile wont follow the normal flight course, but will be altered by the reversed force of gravity (FOG). The barrel is already at a rising angle along the alignment of the sights.

Do you aim much higher or normally?

This sort of problem comes up with shots down into steep canyons. I don't remember the specific physics, but the basic response was "if it's under 300 yards don't worry about it".

Rule of thumb, down hill....aim lower.
Shooting up hill...aim higher.

Can't tell you how much for each shot, as it is too complex for a one X=Y that covers everything.

At less than 20 feet, point and click!

Posted: 10/5/2007 9:30:57 PM EDT

[#20]

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At less than 20 feet, point and click!

That works.

Posted: 10/5/2007 9:40:21 PM EDT

[#21]

At those distances its just point and shoot.

Great movie BTW...

Posted: 10/5/2007 9:52:11 PM EDT

[#22]

Another professional opinion needed: At what age would it be appropriate for a kid to watch the movie?

Posted: 10/5/2007 9:58:46 PM EDT

[#23]

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Another professional opinion needed: At what age would it be appropriate for a kid to watch the movie?

16

Posted: 10/5/2007 10:32:11 PM EDT

[#24]

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Quoted:
The projectile wont follow the normal flight course, but will be altered by the reversed force of gravity (FOG).

How would the force of gravity be reversed because you're upside down? Gravity has nothing to do with his shots at that close range, and it certainly wouldn't be reversed.

Maybe he should turn it sideways for more accuracy.

Posted: 10/5/2007 10:35:45 PM EDT

[#25]

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Quoted:
Another professional opinion needed: At what age would it be appropriate for a kid to watch the movie?

16

Seriously? My kids loved the movie, and but they are substantially younger. I might need to rethink my age appropriate viewing policies.

Posted: 10/5/2007 11:00:10 PM EDT

[#26]

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It'd only make a significant difference if you were running a treadmill while firing.

How could you do that while upside down?

Posted: 10/5/2007 11:05:10 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Another professional opinion needed: At what age would it be appropriate for a kid to watch the movie?

16

Seriously? My kids loved the movie, and but they are substantially younger. I might need to rethink my age appropriate viewing policies.

Everyone has a different opinion on what their kids can see/hear.

Make your own decision.

Posted: 10/12/2007 4:11:17 AM EDT

[#28]

Good replies. I forgot about this post for a little while.

I like the concept, aim high shooting uphill, low for downhill. It makes sense. My assumption was it doesnt matter being he was like spitting distance from the front door but I was just thinking techically for a minite there.

Posted: 10/12/2007 4:16:40 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There are few movies I can watch over and over. The Professional is one of them.

Watching it the other day, as the the protaginist is hanging upside down from the ceiling shooting at the JBT's unlawfully busting up in his humble abode I pondered something. If you were shooting an AR while hanging upside down from a rafter how would you correctly aim. The projectile wont follow the normal flight course, but will be altered by the reversed force of gravity (FOG). The barrel is already at a rising angle along the alignment of the sights.

Do you aim much higher or normally?

This sort of problem comes up with shots down into steep canyons. I don't remember the specific physics, but the basic response was "if it's under 300 yards don't worry about it".

Rule of thumb, down hill....aim lower.
Shooting up hill...aim higher.

Can't tell you how much for each shot, as it is too complex for a one X=Y that covers everything.

Bullshit, for any inclination either lower or higher the bullet will strike high due to gravity, so you aim low in order to compensate, the amount low you would aim is determined by the inclination angle and distance

Cosine is the rule

Posted: 10/12/2007 4:23:27 AM EDT

[#30]

What is that shit Gary Oldman is sniffing,and has anyone seen the 'uncut' version on DVD?

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