Posted: 8/9/2007 3:56:22 AM EDT
| I keep reading and hearing on the news, etc. that the terrorists that we are fighting represent a small portion of the Muslim community worldwide. If its a small portion, why is it that we are fighting a global war against them? Doesnt seem like a minority to me. The $$ they get are certainly not a minority? The equipment the get is not what you would expect from a small group of radicals.. Why is JohnDoe American citizen so blind? |
You just hit the nail on the head, my friend. Why are the rest of the mooslims not "Outraged" when their brothers blaspheme their so-called "religion of peace" by hacking off peoples heads with rusty butcher knives? Where is their outrage? 
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Risking a crossing of the line, I might be inclined to disagree. Unless my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning? |
I would argue that they quietly support this "jihad" that is being waged.. But that would start a shitstorm. |
Now think of when the question is asked on Arfcom, "what will it take for you to fight back?" While you have a lot that say they will and won't, you have a TON that will and won't even click on the thread. Not to mention the unregistered ones. So I believe that number of 26% is a lot higher. I couple that with some personal pre 9/11 observations of the followers. I will never EVER be convinced we are fighting a minority. We are fighting a state of mine, a, justified in their eyes, jihad that while few are fighting, many support. Both morally and financially. Think of it as our army. What is it, 10% of our troops are actually combat troops, the rest in support? Then you have all those back here that support it by voice and through donations to groups that help our guys like Americansnipers.org . I for one think that fighter to fighter, they outnumber us. We may outclass them, but they have every advantage. A jihadist, especially here, can live, and work, and prosper for years and strike at the moment of least resistance. The hunt for them however takes millions of man hours, billions of dollars, and can never let up. 24-7-365. We don't have that budget and Americans are slaves to the dollar. They also have very short memories. For example, post 9/11 in my regular bars I could not buy a drink and had more than a few meals bought for me. At one place that I was at 3-4 days a week I don't think I bought a thing for 4 months. (I even banged 2 waitresses  ) Then it was like someone flipped a switch. That recognition was gone, not that any of us cared, but it was gone. They forgot about 9/11 and wanted to move on. Soon the bitching about the war will start based on money spent. I'm talking widespread complaining. It's already pretty much a given that we will not elect a president that will continue on in Iraq. When 9/11 the sequel happens it'll be the same thing. 4 or 5 months of all out un questioned support. Then it'll be back to where we are today. The voices of people like us will fall upon deaf ears. If we decide to take matters into our own hands, no matter how justified, we will get cells next to some border patrol agents. |
Inclined to disagree about what exactly? |
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A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War Two owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis" he said, "but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories." We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority" the "silent majority" is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia comprised Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population, it was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword,shovel and bayonet. And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace & loving"? History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun. Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life. |
I am inclined to think the war is against Islam is some way but for the administration to go on record with that would be a disaster. These terrorist types are almost always Muslim, they are funded by theocratic muslim nations and muslim organizaions.. Its a common thread in all of it. Their fight has very little to do with global politics and everything to do with a religion that decries everything that is not centrist to itself.. Asstaed elswhere in the thread there is no "outcry" or [protest from the "moderate muslims" over beheadings, hijackings, etc. How many moderate muslims condemned the WTC ordeal? Only the ones that had to. How many of the enemy are non-muslims? I dont know, maybe im a dolt.. |
That may be the case, however like I said, I was just nitpicking what you said. Thats all.  And I went to school and lived in the dorms with a handful of Muslims that were engineers, in talking with them, a few of them did not enjoy the attack and the rest were indifferent to it. Of course, I doubt they would have said to a dormful of white people that they enjoyed it....heh... eta: and yes you are correct, the vast majority of who we are fighting ARE islamists. They're the only ones who really have a problem with Christianity/Catholocism on a wide-scale. And yes, in todays world it would be political suicide to call it a "pure religious war". |
So the few that objected were the minority while the rest were indiferent. Indifference is the same as condoning it for all intents and purposes. That they were indifferent is alarming. |
We're talking like 8 people here. Probably 3-4 objected. The others didnt care either way. Its not their country so they dont feel the same sense of patriotism. Of course they werent happy about people dying.... Again like I said, its not like they were going to jump up and down cheering in the dorms. However, at Kansas State, there were a few people of foreign descent that did that and IIRC, that did not go over well, if ya get my drift.
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