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Posted: 12/14/2005 5:20:38 AM EDT

Let's think about this for a minute. Scrooge was an honest hard working man. Nowhere in Dickens story are we led to belive Scrooge is a liar, cheat, or thief. Scrooge is a hard working business owner trying to succeed in London's sinking economy.

Cratchit is in a position of his own making. With six children it's no wonder he has a difficult time making ends meet. Maybe if he'd kept his pants on he wouldn't be so poor. Why does Scrooge have to be punished for Cratchit's mistakes?

Discuss.....

ETA: Yes, I'm joking.

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:24:23 AM EDT

[#1]

Chuck Norris

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:27:12 AM EDT

[#2]

IBTTTSF (in before the tiny tim surgery fund)

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:30:15 AM EDT

[#3]

Hey maby we can get a Tiny Tim Hero rifle going!

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:30:56 AM EDT

[#4]

If you consider the idea of Christian charity to be socialist, then yes it is.

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:33:10 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Chuck Norris

Chuck would have given Cratchit a roundhouse kick to the head for asking for Christmas day off.

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:34:15 AM EDT

[#6]

Big difference in be generous to those less fortunate, and government taking your money by force (or threat of force/imprisonment) and giving it to people unemployed/unworthy/lazy fucking slobs.

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:41:05 AM EDT

[#7]

Bob Crachet couldn't work anywhere else, and Scrooge treated him like crap and paid him the bare minimum. That makes, Scrooge is a selfish tightwad.

Maybe what Scrooge did was legal, but it was not fair or kind.

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:41:11 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Big difference in be generous to those less fortunate, and government taking your money by force (or threat of force/imprisonment) and giving it to people unemployed/unworthy/lazy fucking slobs.

The point is he had 6 kids and there was no child labor laws at the time, so they could have worked! Cratchit's family was a bunch of lazy asses, that rather beg for had outs than to WORK to make there lives better!

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:42:26 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Big difference in be generous to those less fortunate, and government taking your money by force (or threat of force/imprisonment) and giving it to people unemployed/unworthy/lazy fucking slobs.

The point is he had 6 kids and there was no child labor laws at the time, so they could of worked! Cratchit's family was a bunch of lazy asses, that rather beg for had outs than to WORK to make there lives better!

IBGF (In before Grammar_Fascist.)

It's "could have," not "could of"

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:48:10 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Big difference in be generous to those less fortunate, and government taking your money by force (or threat of force/imprisonment) and giving it to people unemployed/unworthy/lazy fucking slobs.

The point is he had 6 kids and there was no child labor laws at the time, so they could of worked! Cratchit's family was a bunch of lazy asses, that rather beg for had outs than to WORK to make there lives better!

Maybe if he had 0 kids his paycheck would've gone a little further. I couldn't support six kids. Does that make my employer evil?

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:49:11 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Big difference in be generous to those less fortunate, and government taking your money by force (or threat of force/imprisonment) and giving it to people unemployed/unworthy/lazy fucking slobs.

The point is he had 6 kids and there was no child labor laws at the time, so they could of worked! Cratchit's family was a bunch of lazy asses, that rather beg for had outs than to WORK to make there lives better!

IBGF (In before Grammar_Fascist.)

It's "could have," not "could of"

God damnit! Im a gunsmith not Charles fucking Dickens!

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:56:12 AM EDT

[#12]

It was written about the same time as The Communist Manifesto.

Posted: 12/14/2005 6:09:57 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Big difference in be generous to those less fortunate, and government taking your money by force (or threat of force/imprisonment) and giving it to people unemployed/unworthy/lazy fucking slobs.

The point is he had 6 kids and there was no child labor laws at the time, so they could of worked! Cratchit's family was a bunch of lazy asses, that rather beg for had outs than to WORK to make there lives better!

IBGF (In before Grammar_Fascist.)

It's "could have," not "could of"

God damnit! Im a gunsmith not Charles fucking Dickens!

"Dammit, Jim- I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!"

Posted: 12/14/2005 6:14:09 AM EDT

[#14]

Not socialist, as the government didn't take his money by force, but it IS a story of unearned guilt, of a wealthy man succumbing to attempts to make him feel guilty simply for being wealthy. It's disgusting. And, no, I'm not kidding.

Posted: 12/14/2005 6:18:29 AM EDT

[#15]

Not to mention the whole "health care" issue. Poor Tiny Tim was sickly and lame but the Cratchit family couldn't afford proper health care for the kid. BUT WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?? Certainly not Scrooge, maybe the guvmint?? If Cratchit was such a good worker, why didn't he get a better paying job? I agree with you, the six kids were part of the problem, but the Cratchit is the main problem.

Posted: 12/14/2005 6:22:30 AM EDT

[#16]

It's a movie. Jeeze...

ETA: I caught your ETA, nevermind.

Posted: 12/14/2005 6:31:39 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Not to mention the whole "health care" issue. Poor Tiny Tim was sickly and lame but the Cratchit family couldn't afford proper health care for the kid. BUT WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?? Certainly not Scrooge, maybe the guvmint?? If Cratchit was such a good worker, why didn't he get a better paying job? I agree with you, the six kids were part of the problem, but the Cratchit is the main problem.

It was Bush's fault.

I agree, Cratchitt shouldn't have had all those children if he couldn't afford to feed them. Mr. Scrooge was just trying to run a business.

Posted: 12/14/2005 6:43:06 AM EDT

[#18]

Sounds like a fine example of capitalism. Scrooge works and runs a business to build wealth. At the end Cratchets hard work and dedication to Scrooge's business score him a higher income and a partnership in the company (IIRC).

Posted: 12/14/2005 8:01:24 AM EDT

[#19]

Couldn't Cratchit have taken advantage of the free condoms handed out at the local school? Just have his oldest pick them up and that way he wouldn't have ended up with 6 kids to support.

- CD

Posted: 12/14/2005 8:11:30 AM EDT

[#20]

It is a wonderful holiday propaganda!

Posted: 12/14/2005 8:14:24 AM EDT

[#21]

Cratchit's older daughters should have been out on the corner turning tricks for shillings.

His wife could be a "house servant" for Mr. Scrooge -- as a submissive masochist tied up in his pleasure dungeon.

Um, nevermind.

Posted: 12/14/2005 8:33:04 AM EDT

[#22]

Some people on the board are wound so tight it cuts off the oxygen to their brains.

It is a joke...

Posted: 12/14/2005 8:40:46 AM EDT

[#23]

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

Posted: 12/14/2005 10:03:43 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
It's a movie. Jeeze...

ETA: I caught your ETA, nevermind.

Guess I should have added a "I didn't read the post" option to the poll.

Posted: 12/14/2005 10:09:14 AM EDT

[#25]

One of my favorite stories.

Its the best play I've ever been to see.

Love the clothes too.

I keep pulling for Scrooge though...

Posted: 12/14/2005 10:11:08 AM EDT

[#26]

The one with Captian Piccard is the best one.

Posted: 12/14/2005 10:38:14 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
The one with Captian Piccard is the best one.

Patrick Stewart did a great job, but my favorite is the 1938 adaptation staring Reginald Owen.

Posted: 12/14/2005 10:50:19 AM EDT

[#28]

You didn't have a poll option for "Most Frequently (Mis-) Used Sitcom Plot, EVER!"

Posted: 12/14/2005 10:55:02 AM EDT

[#29]

It can't be socialist until the new PC version is released with the Ghosts of "Holidays" Past/Present/Future, and the Cratchets are illegal immigrants.

Posted: 12/14/2005 10:58:25 AM EDT

[#30]

Damn, is there a sinister plot in every movie/novel/short story ever done?

Some people need to lighten up, Francis. Yes, there are things to watch out for, but to go looking for them in everything is beyond paraniod.

I suppose there is some socialist message in "It's a Wonderful Life", one of the best movies ever made, huh.

Posted: 12/14/2005 11:33:52 AM EDT

[#31]

How about "The Gift of The Magi"???

A rather disturbing story of a young married couple who (allegedly) have little money to buy each other Christmas presents. Rather than get her lazy ass out of the house and get a job to earn money to live a better lifestyle and maybe even buy a present for her husband, she essentially prostitutes her body for money - she cuts off and sells her very long hair!! What's next? Hair takes a long time to grow hair to that length again, maybe she'll sell (or rent) her body by the hour?

O'Henry exposed really messed-up sense of priorities in that story.