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I think that's how they further justify traffic checkpoints and being able to search every car by being in the 100 mile border zone.
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I think that's how they further justify traffic checkpoints and being able to search every car by being in the 100 mile border zone. View Quote |
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"The Constitution is but simply a piece of stage prop for the theater that the Post Constitutional Banana Republic plays everyday when it comes to ruling over us serfs and plebs."
I don't see it getting any better in my lifetime-I think it will continue to get worse.I'm sure most don't have a problem with it since it's all about "catching the bad guys". Something about giving up Liberty for security............ |
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"The Constitution is but simply a piece of stage prop for the theater that the Post Constitutional Banana Republic plays everyday when it comes to ruling over us serfs and plebs." I don't see it getting any better in my lifetime-I think it will continue to get worse.I'm sure most don't have a problem with it since it's all about "catching the bad guys". Something about giving up Liberty for security............ View Quote |
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The weird part is that I bet they could have gotten a warrant because they already had some evidence that firearms of the type discovered by the other warehouse tenant were being smuggled out of the country. They trampled over the bill of rights not because they couldn’t do things the honest and constitutional way, but simply out of convenience as a matter of course.
Thanks for bringing this phenomenon to my attention. It makes my blood boil. Congress needs to be purged until sort of shit stops. |
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Very interesting and an abuse of power. Everything is about precedents and allowing the BP and ICE to search a private business without a warrant opens up the ability to search private vehicles and residents without PC or a warrant.
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Never ran into bushmasters in the hands of the FARC, it was almost always RRA's, at least in the Tumaco region. The battlespace was owned by the Colombian Marines, who used various forms of Colt rifles, 727's and such, thus the FARC also used that style weapon. Other parts of the country the FARC were using Galils, FAL's and of course AK's.
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The weird part is that I bet they could have gotten a warrant because they already had some evidence that firearms of the type discovered by the other warehouse tenant were being smuggled out of the country. They trampled over the bill of rights not because they couldn't do things the honest and constitutional way, but simply out of convenience as a matter of course. Thanks for bringing this phenomenon to my attention. It makes my blood boil. Congress needs to be purged until sort of shit stops. View Quote Since they already discovered and had PC, they could have presented it to a judge for a search warrant but instead went the lazy route and trampled the 4th Amendment. |
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I thought they had like 20 miles of the border on land and 12 at sea.
How is it 100? Gov thugs gonna thug. "Ends justify the means" seems to be their rule. |
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I thought they had like 20 miles of the border on land and 12 at sea. How is it 100? Gov thugs gonna thug. "Ends justify the means" seems to be their rule. View Quote 12 miles is international waters but USCG can board any ship within the 200 mile economic exclusion zone. |
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BINGO Since they already discovered and had PC, they could have presented it to a judge for a search warrant but instead went the lazy route and trampled the 4th Amendment. View Quote I've always been taught, if you have PC, get the warrant unless exigency truly exists. Greatly preferred over sitting on the stand, getting shit on |
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Never ran into bushmasters in the hands of the FARC, it was almost always RRA's, at least in the Tumaco region. The battlespace was owned by the Colombian Marines, who used various forms of Colt rifles, 727's and such, thus the FARC also used that style weapon. Other parts of the country the FARC were using Galils, FAL's and of course AK's. View Quote |
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My understanding is that Border Patrol pulled the 100 mile number out of their ass in the early 1950s and have stuck with it. I could be wrong but I've never heard of a 20 mile rule for land. 12 miles is international waters but USCG can board any ship within the 200 mile economic exclusion zone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I thought they had like 20 miles of the border on land and 12 at sea. How is it 100? Gov thugs gonna thug. "Ends justify the means" seems to be their rule. 12 miles is international waters but USCG can board any ship within the 200 mile economic exclusion zone. (3) within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States; ATF doing ATF things. They consider a shoestring a machinegun and a scrubber pad a suppressor, so is it any surprise they fuck up everything they touch? |
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Right. Just shitty policing. I think the more federal agencies hire outside of municpal/county/state LEO's, I think you'll see more of this. I've always been taught, if you have PC, get the warrant unless exigency truly exists. Greatly preferred over sitting on the stand, getting shit on View Quote |
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"The Constitution is but simply a piece of stage prop for the theater that the Post Constitutional Banana Republic plays everyday when it comes to ruling over us serfs and plebs." I don't see it getting any better in my lifetime-I think it will continue to get worse.I'm sure most don't have a problem with it since it's all about "catching the bad guys". Something about giving up Liberty for security............ It gets abused all the time and the people do nothing (except for reelecting the majority of the same ones over and over).Pretty much just a piece of paper......... |
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? Wat... looks perfectly legal to me.
Someone ? called About a shit load of guns after they opened the door to investigate the flood or cops show up because alarm is going off due to flood..and investigate...makes no difference. Entering the warehouse given the circumstances is perfectly legal. The evidence is in plain sight. Unfortunate circumstances for the bad guys. Cops see it and say looks a bit odd. May or may not be anything to it. Not really our deal as nothing is going on here with other persons involved but they notice altered serial numbers on the receivers...call ATF. ATF comes to take a look and finds odd circumstances. Does some invesigating and finds non resident aliens names popping up associated with the warehouse, along with what appears to be altered serial numbered firearms prepped to ship and potentially converted to FA. Continues to investigate and it all unraveled. Pretty clear...Reasonable suspicion and probable cause to suspect a crime may be committed or about to be. Inspect further and investigate all they want. IMO.. CBP involved to get after the illegal aliens and ... duh.. CPB, as Federal agents just happen to be directly involved with the illegal import or export of anything across our borders. Unless there is a shit ton of information missing.. good job guys! Bad guys got nailed. |
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? Wat... looks perfectly legal to me. Someone ? called About a shit load of guns after they opened the door to investigate the flood or cops show up because alarm is going off due to flood..and investigate...makes no difference. Entering the warehouse given the circumstances is perfectly legal. The evidence is in plain sight. Unfortunate circumstances for the bad guys. Cops see it and say looks a bit odd. May or may not be anything to it. Not really our deal as nothing is going on here with other persons involved but they notice altered serial numbers on the receivers...call ATF. ATF comes to take a look and finds odd circumstances. Does some invesigating and finds non resident aliens names popping up associated with the warehouse, along with what appears to be altered serial numbered firearms prepped to ship and potentially converted to FA. Continues to investigate and it all unraveled. Pretty clear...Reasonable suspicion and probable cause to suspect a crime may be committed or about to be. Inspect further and investigate all they want. IMO.. CBP involved to get after the illegal aliens and ... duh.. CPB, as Federal agents just happen to be directly involved with the illegal import or export of anything across our borders. Unless there is a shit ton of information missing.. good job guys! Bad guys got nailed. View Quote |
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? Wat... looks perfectly legal to me. Someone ? called About a shit load of guns after they opened the door to investigate the flood or cops show up because alarm is going off due to flood..and investigate...makes no difference. Entering the warehouse given the circumstances is perfectly legal. The evidence is in plain sight. Unfortunate circumstances for the bad guys. Cops see it and say looks a bit odd. May or may not be anything to it. Not really our deal as nothing is going on here with other persons involved but they notice altered serial numbers on the receivers...call ATF. ATF comes to take a look and finds odd circumstances. Does some invesigating and finds non resident aliens names popping up associated with the warehouse, along with what appears to be altered serial numbered firearms prepped to ship and potentially converted to FA. Continues to investigate and it all unraveled. Pretty clear...Reasonable suspicion and probable cause to suspect a crime may be committed or about to be. Inspect further and investigate all they want. IMO.. CBP involved to get after the illegal aliens and ... duh.. CPB, as Federal agents just happen to be directly involved with the illegal import or export of anything across our borders. View Quote |
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That search would have been deemed a good search in 1789 by the framers of the constitution same as it was deemed a good search in 2004.
Doing a border search on a facility or warehouse that deals with international merchandise is G2G. ETA: spelling and grammar |
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Israeli train the FARC? LOL Israel supplied the Colombian Government with Galils and now the Galil ACE. The FARC got their guns either from the Cubans supplying Soviet made arms, the black market, or theft. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Israeli train the FARC? LOL Israel supplied the Colombian Government with Galils and now the Galil ACE. The FARC got their guns either from the Cubans supplying Soviet made arms, the black market, or theft. Were there any Israelis with the FARC, I do not remember anything like that, but the IRA guys were the ones that gave us the most trouble. |
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? Wat... looks perfectly legal to me. Someone ? called About a shit load of guns after they opened the door to investigate the flood or cops show up because alarm is going off due to flood..and investigate...makes no difference. Entering the warehouse given the circumstances is perfectly legal. The evidence is in plain sight. Unfortunate circumstances for the bad guys. Cops see it and say looks a bit odd. May or may not be anything to it. Not really our deal as nothing is going on here with other persons involved but they notice altered serial numbers on the receivers...call ATF. ATF comes to take a look and finds odd circumstances. Does some invesigating and finds non resident aliens names popping up associated with the warehouse, along with what appears to be altered serial numbered firearms prepped to ship and potentially converted to FA. Continues to investigate and it all unraveled. Pretty clear...Reasonable suspicion and probable cause to suspect a crime may be committed or about to be. Inspect further and investigate all they want. IMO.. CBP involved to get after the illegal aliens and ... duh.. CPB, as Federal agents just happen to be directly involved with the illegal import or export of anything across our borders. Unless there is a shit ton of information missing.. good job guys! Bad guys got nailed. View Quote |
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This thread has gotten more replies than the two threads from 2004 when the story broke.
Ali Berisha was here on a non-immigrant visa and was in the export business. He was in business with partners who were also here on non-immigrant visas. Sounds like a good way to invite CBP into your life. His storage space was located in an area well known for both legal and illegal imports and exports. Previous seizures and arrests had taken place in that area. Was the whole case carried by this initial seizure, or did the feds actually further the investigation to include CI's, T III surveillance, sting operations, search warrants and indictments? |
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Yeah,might be a jerk,but he's right. It gets abused all the time and the people do nothing (except for reelecting the majority of the same ones over and over).Pretty much just a piece of paper......... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"The Constitution is but simply a piece of stage prop for the theater that the Post Constitutional Banana Republic plays everyday when it comes to ruling over us serfs and plebs." I don't see it getting any better in my lifetime-I think it will continue to get worse.I'm sure most don't have a problem with it since it's all about "catching the bad guys". Something about giving up Liberty for security............ It gets abused all the time and the people do nothing (except for reelecting the majority of the same ones over and over).Pretty much just a piece of paper......... If so, what's the point of even writing the BoR if it was guaranteed to be crossed out one by one? They could have just as easily not written it and have the same outcome. From that angle, it does not appear that the BoR was written to only protect those rights, but moreso serve as a checklist, if you will, that we can use to keep perspective. It's like a scorecard we can use to know when the game needs a change. So yes, people do nothing, but one day we can pull it out and see that there aren't any left Without it we would hem and haw forever. |
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Maybe I misread the OP but Im pretty sure that any law enforcement officer who is certified and/or deputized under Title 13 (i think) has the ability to search any package, vehicle, person, that has a border/international nexus. Essentailly anything coming into or going out of the country. Typically this is done at the border but doesnt HAVE to be. For example if an airplane is flying into Dallas airport direct from Mexico, anything and everything on that plane is subject to search by Customs/border patrol/ice. Once that plane has been searched upon landing from another country then the rules no longer apply on the next stop in St. Louis for example.
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Maybe I misread the OP but Im pretty sure that any law enforcement officer who is certified and/or deputized under Title 13 (i think) has the ability to search any package, vehicle, person, that has a border/international nexus. Essentailly anything coming into or going out of the country. Typically this is done at the border but doesnt HAVE to be. For example if an airplane is flying into Dallas airport direct from Mexico, anything and everything on that plane is subject to search by Customs/border patrol/ice. Once that plane has been searched upon landing from another country then the rules no longer apply on the next stop in St. Louis for example. View Quote "Pursuant to the provisions of 19 U.S.C. 1401(i), and appropriate redelegations, and by agreement with your employing agency or service, you are here by designated a Customs Officer (Excepted) without additional compensation." Sgt. Floridacop USAF Military Customs Inspector (Excepted) Tampa District November 19th 1992 (valid for 1 year from effective date). |
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"The Constitution is but simply a piece of stage prop for the theater that the Post Constitutional Banana Republic plays everyday when it comes to ruling over us serfs and plebs." I don't see it getting any better in my lifetime-I think it will continue to get worse.I'm sure most don't have a problem with it since it's all about "catching the bad guys". Something about giving up Liberty for security............ |
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Any body think that they chose names like Fast And Furious and Castaway, so that if the operations ever came to light, people would glaze over if they heard about them.
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IIRC, 80% of the population lives with 100 miles of the physical border.
If you add in international airports, bonded customs warehouses, and free trade zones, all places where CBP has jurisdiction, I bet it rises to 95% of the population. |
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