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Posted: 10/29/2018 2:43:15 AM EDT
https://blog.princelaw.com/2018/10/28/atf-unhinged-prosecutions-made-up-out-of-whole-cloth-you-might-be-next/
Woah. Thinking this might be a dupe but my searches show nothing. He was acquitted but this is still worth reading. TTAG article with better picture 
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Posted: 10/29/2018 2:49:32 AM EDT
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Those US Attorneys are intentionally violating both the spirit and letter of the law.
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Posted: 10/29/2018 2:50:02 AM EDT
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Wow..
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Posted: 10/29/2018 2:52:45 AM EDT
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Long march through the institutions is over...they're all infested with marxists
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Posted: 10/29/2018 2:53:06 AM EDT
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Does this surprise anyone?
All the more reason not to "please sir" over barrel length, brace it, and keep your mouth shut that you have it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 2:55:26 AM EDT
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ATF like most if not all of our agencies should be dismantled.
Would have loved to have been on this jury. Would have guaranteed this man's freedom. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 2:59:44 AM EDT
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Tag..
I think it's because he added a cheek rest or some other bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:01:56 AM EDT
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Those US Attorneys are intentionally violating both the spirit and letter of the law. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:04:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a reason why the federal courts have a conviction rate higher than the Nazi kangaroo courts. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:07:18 AM EDT
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Well that's fucking scary.
Prosecutor: Your honor, prosecution moves to bar all evidence the government has that supports the defense's position. Judge: fuck it why not, I do what I want. Let's seal all this shit too so you can fuck over some more citizens in the future. Now let's get going so I can get home and watch some dude fuck my wife. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:08:27 AM EDT
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Cunts
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:11:16 AM EDT
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I always thought sticking a brace on a AR-pistol was pushing it. Obviously it is an attempt at getting around the SBR law. Nobody is buying a brace to use as a brace. Look at how some of them are designed, barely work as arm brace. Pretty clear they were designed to be shouldered.
Don't go inviting the man into your life, and he won't come looking for you. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:11:20 AM EDT
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So what was on the pistol? A brace and a forward grip right? Fucking insane.
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:16:12 AM EDT
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Those US Attorneys are intentionally violating both the spirit and letter of the law. The levels of malice and malfeasance that are exhibited on a regular basis without consequence for the perpetrators, it fills my heart with despair. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:16:55 AM EDT
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I always thought sticking a brace on a AR-pistol was pushing it. Obviously it is an attempt at getting around the SBR law. Nobody is buying a brace to use as a brace. Look at how some of them are designed, barely work as arm brace. Pretty clear they were designed to be shouldered. Don't go inviting the man into your life, and he won't come looking for you. ETA Bullshit he comes for us all. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:17:01 AM EDT
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@NoloContendere I'd be interested in your thoughts.
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:17:31 AM EDT
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I always thought sticking a brace on a AR-pistol was pushing it. Obviously it is an attempt at getting around the SBR law. Nobody is buying a brace to use as a brace. Look at how some of them are designed, barely work as arm brace. Pretty clear they were designed to be shouldered. Don't go inviting the man into your life, and he won't come looking for you. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:18:01 AM EDT
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Its 2018 and the ATF are still faggots.
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:20:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:20:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then they should have published a once and for all law or ruling that braces are stocks. Instead they want to allow company's to produce these, with a blessing and then go after users. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:25:48 AM EDT
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I always thought sticking a brace on a AR-pistol was pushing it. Obviously it is an attempt at getting around the SBR law. Nobody is buying a brace to use as a brace. Look at how some of them are designed, barely work as arm brace. Pretty clear they were designed to be shouldered. Don't go inviting the man into your life, and he won't come looking for you. “Git in the back o the bus old Rosa, ain’t no place fo you up heah! You keep lookin fo trouble..you gon find it..” |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:26:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF shouldn't be allowed to publish, legislate, or otherwise create or define laws or rulings. Illegal rules and determinations are just that, illegal. At the most BATF should only be making determinations based on laws that have been legally passed. Most of the agencies have long overstepped their mandates and authority. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:29:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF shouldn't be allowed to publish, legislate, or otherwise create or define laws or rulings. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:29:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF shouldn't be allowed to publish, legislate, or otherwise create or define laws or rulings. On the federal level, well, they just do as they please. Take comments for a few months, basically respond to all of the with “screw you”, then proceed as planned. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:30:44 AM EDT
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Im as far right, as they come...
Obama bad, Trump good. lol What a mind fuck |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:32:12 AM EDT
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I always thought sticking a brace on a AR-pistol was pushing it. Obviously it is an attempt at getting around the SBR law. Nobody is buying a brace to use as a brace. Look at how some of them are designed, barely work as arm brace. Pretty clear they were designed to be shouldered. Don't go inviting the man into your life, and he won't come looking for you. Apparently it was a Maxim PDW brace Scary case and a good reminder that all those ATF "opinion" letters are just that, opinions. ETA: And that the prosecution may, as in this case, actively fight to keep those letters out of court. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:35:06 AM EDT
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Because the federal courts dismiss shit loads of cases. If the federal courts don't believe a case is good enough, they don't pursue it, 99% of the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There is a reason why the federal courts have a conviction rate higher than the Nazi kangaroo courts. We are constantly seeing 1324 and 1325 cases refused for lack of evidence even though we have sworn statements, sworn statements on video, camera footage of the events from multiple agents, seized evidence etc. If the ball is not actually crossing the goal line the AUSAs will not take it. It's bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:36:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF shouldn't be allowed to publish, legislate, or otherwise create or define laws or rulings. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:39:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:48:17 AM EDT
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I have had hand surgery. A brace is a useful medical device that should fall under the ADA. ETA Bullshit he comes for us all. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:51:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then they should have published a once and for all law or ruling that braces are stocks. Instead they want to allow company's to produce these, with a blessing and then go after users. More on that here http://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/trumps-pending-bumpstock-ban/325941 |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:53:34 AM EDT
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Holy entrapment. ATF makes determination that braces are not stocks. Government prosecutes guy for complying by what is determined by ATF to be lawful.
Using that BS logic they could argue that even though the ATF itself made a determination that bumpstocks were not MGs, we shouldn't listen to them and everyone who ever touched one is a felon. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:56:12 AM EDT
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If the stock don't fit, you must acquit.
::defendant fails to place stock against his shoulder when presented with verified unloaded firearm by the bailiff:: ::jury finds the defendant not guilty:: 
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:58:15 AM EDT
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I don't think someone should be using an AR if they can't properly hold on to it. Its a safety issue IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have had hand surgery. A brace is a useful medical device that should fall under the ADA. ETA Bullshit he comes for us all. Who defines what is “holding properly”? We need to send the ATF a letter asking for clarification. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:59:45 AM EDT
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I think people are forgetting that the ATF is the only reason "braces" are being shoulder fired. Without any "opinion" written by the ATF, I wouldn't. So, how can you say that the ATF has no power to do so, then build a pistol with a brace and shoulder it?
I'll hang on to my Form1 stamps. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:59:47 AM EDT
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How do you suppose one should go about objectively determining such a vague standard? Who defines what is “holding properly”? We need to send the ATF a letter asking for clarification. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:15:55 AM EDT
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So what is the actual story on this?
How did he find himself in the eyes of man? |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:24:15 AM EDT
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And is holding a pistol with more than one hand redesigning it into an AOW? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How do you suppose one should go about objectively determining such a vague standard? Who defines what is “holding properly”? We need to send the ATF a letter asking for clarification. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:36:41 AM EDT
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So what is the actual story on this? How did he find himself in the eyes of man? |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:41:32 AM EDT
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Ok, but how did he get caught?
Was he just at the range shooting or was he out doing hood rat stuff with his friends? |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:41:36 AM EDT
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Looks like it was one of those skull lowers from the indictment and from the motion whatever he put on the end of it they are considering a stock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what is the actual story on this? How did he find himself in the eyes of man? Couldn't find any other articles or information about the case. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:43:37 AM EDT
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Are all AR15s MGs just 'cause some ATF guy can slamfire them with the wrong primers? The fact that he destroyed the rifle in the process is immaterial.
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:44:45 AM EDT
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Ok, but how did he get caught? Was he just at the range shooting or was he out doing hood rat stuff with his friends? |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:45:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think someone should be using an AR if they can't properly hold on to it. Its a safety issue IMO. Safety issue, y'know. Who cares that you lost your legs serving the country?You're un-American, dammit!! 
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:49:35 AM EDT
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Maxim brace, per the exhibits list. Couldn't find any other articles or information about the case. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:53:15 AM EDT
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Going over the exhibits list I wonder what the "rubber pad w black cord" is. If he somehow modified the Maxim with some sort of cheeckpiece that might be what got him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maxim brace, per the exhibits list. Couldn't find any other articles or information about the case. What “got him” is corrupt .gov officials decided to go after him because they know they can get away with it. This isn’t excusable, there is no way to justify it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:55:41 AM EDT
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Wow, not one single FATF. Y'all are slacking.
But serioulsy, FATF, useless fucks. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:58:28 AM EDT
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FATF
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Posted: 10/29/2018 5:00:18 AM EDT
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What law is that even breaking? What “got him” is corrupt .gov officials decided to go after him because they know they can get away with it. This isn’t excusable, there is no way to justify it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 5:01:32 AM EDT
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I would point fingers at a cowed populace that has tolerated the NFA for 84 years. Governments are only as bad as their populations allow them to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What law is that even breaking? What “got him” is corrupt .gov officials decided to go after him because they know they can get away with it. This isn’t excusable, there is no way to justify it. Really that’s exactly the feelings that these little escapades are designed to induce. The crooked feds like to make examples of people to prove that they can basically fuck anyone they want at any time and the actual law doesn’t mean shit. This is how they create that cowed populace. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 5:16:42 AM EDT
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I always thought sticking a brace on a AR-pistol was pushing it. Obviously it is an attempt at getting around the SBR law. Nobody is buying a brace to use as a brace. Look at how some of them are designed, barely work as arm brace. Pretty clear they were designed to be shouldered. Don't go inviting the man into your life, and he won't come looking for you. Then sealed from the public most of what should be public trial info? This country is lost and this govt is corrupt |
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