Posted: 9/18/2007 8:51:17 AM EDT
|
I know that anyone that is a serious gamer will want discreet graphics. That's not the point of this video. The facts are that over 90% of desktop computers sold in the USA are sold with integrated graphics. Most people wander into a Best Buy or Circuit City, or order a PC on-line, and buy a PC based on price. 90% of those buyers end up walking out of the store or ordering a PC with integrated graphics. This video is just an FYI for you guys that will buying a PC for yourself or your family. Video |
FTW most times it is a wash to buy the sys with onboard and put your card choice in |
|
Wow, I totally believe everything someone with a title of "VP of Advanced Marketing" says. 90% of people who buy PC's from bestbuy, CC, etc, use AOL, watch youtube, and play solitaire. They don't need a separate video card. When you see top end video cards going for more than an entire entry level package, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that maybe your omgfast $400 computer won't be able to play modern games with decent resolution and quality. Integrated graphics will bite hard no matter what specially selected video clips the manufacture's VP of advanced marketing tries to shove down your throat. ETA to be over specific : AMD makes chipsets and cards from their acquisition of ATI. Intel, AFAIK, just makes video chipsets (and more, of course), not actual AGP/PCI-E cards. |
+1 My card cost 700.00 That was a couple months ago so I am sure it is down to 45.00 on ebay by now but no one I know has intergrated except at wotk, even then I run a 512 meg card because I can lol |
But you're missing the point, which is 90% (I have hard data to support this) of desktops sold at retail are sold with integrated graphics. And the overwhelming majority of those 90% will not upgrade their PC with a discreet graphics card. So if you're gonna buy a value priced PC, do you want a PC that will play that occasional game with your kid, or do you want a PC that has unplayable frame rates and/or compatibility issues with the most popular games when you try to play that occasional game with your kid? In addition, the AMD PC is lower cost. So with the AMD system, you could put a discreet graphics card in it with the money you save over the integrated graphics Intel system. |
Except once you add in a real video card, AMD gets spanked by the C2D Intel's for gaming. |
I have never seen an integrated video system that would handle gaming with any game less than 2 or 3 years old. just my experience |
Here's a few third party reviews that backs up what the AMD guy says: Lost Circuits Business Week Computer Shopper Silent PC |
No one is saying that you can take an integrated graphics system and play games at 1600x1200 w/ all the eye candy turned up to max. The point is you can buy an AMD integrated graphics system and play an occasional new game just fine at 1024x768 w/ the eye candy set to default, whereas on the Intel it chokes the frame-rate and/or won't even run the game. When given the choice for roughly the same money, which would you rather have? |
I understand your point all things being equal I would take the better performer that said, I haven't bought a store built system in over 10 years buy components and put them together for what I want, not what dell or any of the others want me to have. |
I hear ya, man. I build all my own PCs myself as well. However, at least every few weeks one of my friends or family is asking for advice on what PC they should purchase. I'm not gonna recommend that they build it themselves, because that really means I have to build it for them and provide tech support for the next several years. So if they say they want to spend $600 or so, and they're going to use the PC for internet, email, office work and an occasional game with their kids or grandkids, I recommend they make sure and find a PC that has AMD/ATI integrated graphics and avoid Intel integrated graphics. |
|
He was somewhat unclear on the DVI (for some time now)/HDMI connectors. Intel does support AddIn cards w/ DVI or HDMI. Probably not onboard to give the OEM's some flexibility w/ pricing. Possible that some non-Intel boards have them onboard but not sure. He also didnt go into Video Quality. How do those two systems do w/ HQV? interesting |
I pretend to have been struck deaf mute when my relatives ask me anything about a computer. I have learned the heartache and pain I will suffer for any advice given. 
|
Cheaper for a reason. Usually runs much hotter, sometimes (not always, though) has a lower cache, and needs decent cooling to be clocked to + speeds. Some of the Intel stuff isn't great either. I don't care, I wouldn't even touch a Celeron again. Horrible crap to comparatively priced Athlons or other Intels. I can tell you one thing, the Intel Core 2 Duo is damned impressive. Just... wow. And, having had several bad run-ins with Nvidia cards, I have a personal boycott against them. I will sooner go without a graphics card than buy another Nvidia chipset. Straight ATI for me, and couldn't be happier. |
If someone goes into a computer store and asks for an AMD graphics card, they will probably not get much help. AMD does own ATi, but you still say you want an ATi graphics card. Also, like everyone else has said, do not just buy an integrated chipset. It will not even run most current graphics intensive applications well, and if you want to do much of anything in the futre you can forget it. |