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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:08:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who cares about art? It’s a product that generally hails from the leftist mind. In fact I typically look at it as a symptom of leftists. You're thinking of post modernism. Think more of the Renaissance. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:14:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's all got this airbrushed rubbery texture, and the lighting and theme is consistently reminiscent of some kind of steampunk/sci-fi video game. It doesn't stir any emotion except discomfort.  Introducing Sora — OpenAI’s text-to-video model |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:24:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're thinking of post modernism. Think more of the Renaissance. Post-modernism is a plague inflicted on us by no talent 2nd Gen artists who never suffered as their parents did. They cannot create, only corrupt. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:26:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:32:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:36:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:39:38 AM EDT
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I have started to lean heavily on AI art for my business.
1) It saves me time 2) It saves me money 3) It delivers We have paid thousands of dollars to artists who are slow, don't always deliver a good product, and sometimes ghost us altogether. I'm not proud of it, but it's my current reality. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:51:59 AM EDT
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Art is the expression of an idea that speaks to another individual. The deeper the idea resonates, the higher the artistic achievement.
The mode of expression is largely irrelevant except as to one's taste. With the entirety of the universe, both past, present and future, the panoply of all of humanity's endeavors and the very concept of eternity to draw upon...machines are welcome to join in. I just hope they're prepared to get their feelings hurt... |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:12:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Art is the expression of an idea that speaks to another individual. The deeper the idea resonates, the higher the artistic achievement. The mode of expression is largely irrelevant except as to one's taste. With the entirety of the universe, both past, present and future, the panoply of all of humanity's endeavors and the very concept of eternity to draw upon...machines are welcome to join in. I just hope they're prepared to get their feelings hurt... This guy gets it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:16:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit. If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. 
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:25:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: omg thank you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree. I’ve posted about it here too. AI will ruin visual art, cheapen and whore over everything. It’s going to be one of the most demoralizing things in human history. However, most people are just homo sapiens animals, they won’t notice or care as long as Nextflix, Door Dash and Pornhub work. omg thank you. Any tool that amplifies / provides leverage also isolates / alienates. Cultures that focus on outcomes rather than process miss the sub steps, interactions, imperfections and growth that work on the artist as much as the art. Instant mastery creates instant slaves and few can handle power tools without a foundation, work, or being informed by struggle and failure. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:58:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Art is the expression of an idea that speaks to another individual. The deeper the idea resonates, the higher the artistic achievement. The mode of expression is largely irrelevant except as to one's taste. With the entirety of the universe, both past, present and future, the panoply of all of humanity's endeavors and the very concept of eternity to draw upon...machines are welcome to join in. I just hope they're prepared to get their feelings hurt... I think your definition is too broad. If the expression of an idea that deeply speaks to another is art, then a patent application is art, cad drawings are art and quantum computing is art; since they each express an idea which is meaningful and "speaks" to or inspires someone. I agree that art does have to convey and idea and do so successfully, but there is a measure of artistic skill that has to be involved. I can look at two paintings and articulate the differences in artistic skill. The same can be said for music and literature. There is a subjective component to art based on what the observer "likes" or prefers. For example, you can like a piece of art lacking in artistic skill. Likewise, you can think that Beethoven or DaVinci suck (many people do). The preference of the observer doesn't detract from the artistic skill of those artists and generally speaking, up until the middle of the 20th century, people preferred art that reflected artistic skill, as well as profound artistic expression. With AI generated art, you can't tell the difference in the degree of artistic skill that was put into it. Was the prompt to create an AI generated image a lengthy and thoughtful expression or just one lazy line of text? Who knows? The AI may be able to render a beautiful image or song, but it may be devoid of all meaning and expression. Tricking a population into believing there is meaning or expression in something that lacks both, is how you end up with apathetic, miserable people. We're already seeing the consequences of this without the help of AI. Look at what's popular in the culture presently and then reflect on how miserable people are in general. To sum it up, if everything is art, than nothing is art. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 11:11:07 AM EDT
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AI does cheapen art.
My best friend in high school was a published artist on bookcover illustrations before he even graduated. By the early 2000s, he had already had to adopt coloring images on a computer for commercial work. If you consider things like Magic The Gathering cards, there was an appetite for fantasy art to the tune of hundreds of paintings per year for just one company. That kind of stuff is going to be 100% AI, and that's going to hurt artists. While I've spent Class 3 money on paintings, everything is 19th century or prior. I don't want AI art, but artists now also aren't making art I want. The market for real oil on canvas work isn't going to change, but the most commercialized art (book covers, comics, board games, card games, etc.) is all going to get completely fucked. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 11:49:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That isn’t photography. That’s bastardized nonsense. Photography is shit you take with a camera. The second you use software or anything else to enhance the lighting or any other manipulation it’s no longer a photo you took. It’s a lie. Harsh, but it is what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good photography takes a heluvalot more than just pressing a button. EDIT: See Avatar That isn’t photography. That’s bastardized nonsense. Photography is shit you take with a camera. The second you use software or anything else to enhance the lighting or any other manipulation it’s no longer a photo you took. It’s a lie. Harsh, but it is what it is. Ansel Adams is not photography? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:01:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:04:25 PM EDT
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Art is pretty fucking gay, sorry dude.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:16:25 PM EDT
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AI porn is going to be awesome within a few years.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:17:56 PM EDT
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dont care. pay zero attention to all that shit
Quoted: Actually it makes me really fucking sad. And I know this isn't being discussed very much yet. Very few people are thinking about this very deeply. I even know professional artists that are naively coping about it saying people will care how art is made. Well they won't. It's already over. I've been talking with friends about this but I feel the need to write it down. When AI art was just goofy shit it seemed harmless. But when these chat bots, AI voice programs, and AI image creators were getting good I was very distressed. But it seemed like it still wasn't a problem. Now that AI is getting really good I know the situation is fucked. But who cares, right? Fuck those spoiled artists. Fuck Hollywood. Yeah, I get it. But that's so fucking reductive. Art has been a key part of the human experience since the very beginning. It makes us who we are. Channeling all that is good and bad about life into music, stories, jokes, etc. To reduce that into a computer program that can just shit things out based on what humans made makes me sick. What's the point? So that you can have more movies, video games, music that is a unending stream created by AI? Fuck that. If this is the future the future sucks. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:18:45 PM EDT
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you can wank to it, i got the real thing.
Quote HistoryQuoted: AI porn is going to be awesome within a few years. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:20:26 PM EDT
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AI makes me wonderful realms of kaiju and robots
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:30:35 PM EDT
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I recently got a wild hair and spent 15 bucks on a sketch pad and some pencils. I just drew a zebra.
I think the key to art is not giving a fuck. Sure, there are professional artists who are commissioned to do certain things, but that's not me. I drew a zebra with zero fucks to give. I also give zero fucks about AI-generated zebras. People with zero fucks will always be creating art for the sake of art with rudimentary tools, advanced tools, and everything in between. There's nothing to be sad about. Some of these works will become popular or commercially successful, but if they don't, fuck it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:31:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ansel Adams is not photography? Someone made a comparison to photography. While it’s not quite the same thing, I’ll admit, one certainly isn’t getting the photo that the camera took once you put it into any effects program to alter it. I dunno. I guess my larger point was that people balk at the new thing that’s scary (AI is, just not in this instance) while they don’t realize they are surrounded by similar things already that they are fine with. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:39:51 PM EDT
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AI is annoying af but I can still spot them with some accuracy, and in the cases I can't it's because the poster's actual work is also extremely over-processed.
Didn't multiple courts rule AI images can not be copyrighted? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis is okay in a humorous way although the hand is weird. The other stuff you posted is hideous. Nothing I would display as art. I would rather have a black velvet Elvis painting on the wall. When humans are no longer needed who is going to be the end user of what AI produces? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:06:18 PM EDT
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I don't think machines will ever be able to create beauty, so I'm really not worried.
Design a building AI. Wow it's trash. Make a Taylor Swift picture in Stalin's army. Lol But beyond that who cares |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:13:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think your definition is too broad. If the expression of an idea that deeply speaks to another is art, then a patent application is art, cad drawings are art and quantum computing is art; since they each express an idea which is meaningful and "speaks" to or inspires someone. Many people literally buy and display patent applications as art. Usually just the illustration, but sometimes the description. And CAD drawing wall art is popular in aviation, science fiction, and architecture. There are thousands of examples.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:23:12 PM EDT
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 Art-craft-cruftits all in the eye of the beholder |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:23:13 PM EDT
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It’s where we are right now.
Ideas will still win but at some point AI may be able to replicate those too. It’s… an interesting time to be a creative. It reminds me that I do this for me and the people who I know appreciate it, and not for fame. Edit: I have been toying with it a little as a tool, to speed me up etc. so I am familiar. Shoot, it’s built right in to the new Adobe apps. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:30:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:01:54 PM EDT
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  Thomas Kinkade |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:02:47 PM EDT
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  Bob Ross |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:18:08 PM EDT
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Given the swill that Hollywood has put out in the last decade, I’m ok with giving AI a chance.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:19:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Actually it makes me really fucking sad. And I know this isn't being discussed very much yet. Very few people are thinking about this very deeply. I even know professional artists that are naively coping about it saying people will care how art is made. Well they won't. It's already over. I've been talking with friends about this but I feel the need to write it down. When AI art was just goofy shit it seemed harmless. But when these chat bots, AI voice programs, and AI image creators were getting good I was very distressed. But it seemed like it still wasn't a problem. Now that AI is getting really good I know the situation is fucked. But who cares, right? Fuck those spoiled artists. Fuck Hollywood. Yeah, I get it. But that's so fucking reductive. Art has been a key part of the human experience since the very beginning. It makes us who we are. Channeling all that is good and bad about life into music, stories, jokes, etc. To reduce that into a computer program that can just shit things out based on what humans made makes me sick. What's the point? So that you can have more movies, video games, music that is a unending stream created by AI? Fuck that. If this is the future the future sucks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_painting Here you go, op. Feel better. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:23:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recently got a wild hair and spent 15 bucks on a sketch pad and some pencils. I just drew a zebra. I think the key to art is not giving a fuck. Sure, there are professional artists who are commissioned to do certain things, but that's not me. I drew a zebra with zero fucks to give. I also give zero fucks about AI-generated zebras. People with zero fucks will always be creating art for the sake of art with rudimentary tools, advanced tools, and everything in between. There's nothing to be sad about. Some of these works will become popular or commercially successful, but if they don't, fuck it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/244128/1000003654_jpg-3136491.JPG I drew a frog and some dinosaurs for my son that were actually ok-looking, but that zebra is phenomenal. Well done! |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:50:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's kind of what I mean about art being important since the beginning. Why would that make feel better. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:52:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:54:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I drew a frog and some dinosaurs for my son that were actually ok-looking, but that zebra is phenomenal. Well done! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I recently got a wild hair and spent 15 bucks on a sketch pad and some pencils. I just drew a zebra. I think the key to art is not giving a fuck. Sure, there are professional artists who are commissioned to do certain things, but that's not me. I drew a zebra with zero fucks to give. I also give zero fucks about AI-generated zebras. People with zero fucks will always be creating art for the sake of art with rudimentary tools, advanced tools, and everything in between. There's nothing to be sad about. Some of these works will become popular or commercially successful, but if they don't, fuck it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/244128/1000003654_jpg-3136491.JPG I drew a frog and some dinosaurs for my son that were actually ok-looking, but that zebra is phenomenal. Well done! Maybe people that do AI art feel the same way when their computer spits something out. I don't know. For me it's about the personal fulfillment that comes with challenging myself, experimenting, screwing up and erasing a lot, and finally ending up with something acceptable. The process. Someone had to design and engineer the artificial intelligence that makes the art. That's a process, too, one that I suppose could be just as fulfilling. It's way outside my wheelhouse, though, so I'll just stick with pencils. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:57:10 PM EDT
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It could also mean that unknown artists with 10 views on their page, who produced art before the 2020s, will now be discovered and become famous in the future when people are looking for guaranteed non-AI art
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:58:52 PM EDT
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It's hard or downright impossible to do this without AI - an anti-war "fable"
https://rumble.com/v4aefik-259334156.html |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:59:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It could also mean that unknown artists with 10 views on their page, who produced art before the 2020s, will now be discovered and become famous in the future when people are looking for guaranteed non-AI art Famous? Lol |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:01:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look I really dont care that much about photography. Not really what I'm talking about. Well, on screen stuff is all AI does. Does not paint or sculpt |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:09:33 PM EDT
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This just sounds like "Napster will ruin music" to me.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:11:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think your definition is too broad. If the expression of an idea that deeply speaks to another is art, then a patent application is art, cad drawings are art and quantum computing is art; since they each express an idea which is meaningful and "speaks" to or inspires someone. I agree that art does have to convey and idea and do so successfully, but there is a measure of artistic skill that has to be involved. I can look at two paintings and articulate the differences in artistic skill. The same can be said for music and literature. There is a subjective component to art based on what the observer "likes" or prefers. For example, you can like a piece of art lacking in artistic skill. Likewise, you can think that Beethoven or DaVinci suck (many people do). The preference of the observer doesn't detract from the artistic skill of those artists and generally speaking, up until the middle of the 20th century, people preferred art that reflected artistic skill, as well as profound artistic expression. With AI generated art, you can't tell the difference in the degree of artistic skill that was put into it. Was the prompt to create an AI generated image a lengthy and thoughtful expression or just one lazy line of text? Who knows? The AI may be able to render a beautiful image or song, but it may be devoid of all meaning and expression. Tricking a population into believing there is meaning or expression in something that lacks both, is how you end up with apathetic, miserable people. We're already seeing the consequences of this without the help of AI. Look at what's popular in the culture presently and then reflect on how miserable people are in general. To sum it up, if everything is art, than nothing is art. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Art is the expression of an idea that speaks to another individual. The deeper the idea resonates, the higher the artistic achievement. The mode of expression is largely irrelevant except as to one's taste. With the entirety of the universe, both past, present and future, the panoply of all of humanity's endeavors and the very concept of eternity to draw upon...machines are welcome to join in. I just hope they're prepared to get their feelings hurt... I think your definition is too broad. If the expression of an idea that deeply speaks to another is art, then a patent application is art, cad drawings are art and quantum computing is art; since they each express an idea which is meaningful and "speaks" to or inspires someone. I agree that art does have to convey and idea and do so successfully, but there is a measure of artistic skill that has to be involved. I can look at two paintings and articulate the differences in artistic skill. The same can be said for music and literature. There is a subjective component to art based on what the observer "likes" or prefers. For example, you can like a piece of art lacking in artistic skill. Likewise, you can think that Beethoven or DaVinci suck (many people do). The preference of the observer doesn't detract from the artistic skill of those artists and generally speaking, up until the middle of the 20th century, people preferred art that reflected artistic skill, as well as profound artistic expression. With AI generated art, you can't tell the difference in the degree of artistic skill that was put into it. Was the prompt to create an AI generated image a lengthy and thoughtful expression or just one lazy line of text? Who knows? The AI may be able to render a beautiful image or song, but it may be devoid of all meaning and expression. Tricking a population into believing there is meaning or expression in something that lacks both, is how you end up with apathetic, miserable people. We're already seeing the consequences of this without the help of AI. Look at what's popular in the culture presently and then reflect on how miserable people are in general. To sum it up, if everything is art, than nothing is art. "It's not art, unless I say it's art." There's the elitism I was waiting for. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:12:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, on screen stuff is all AI does. Does not paint or sculpt AI can and does do a lot. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:12:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This just sounds like "Napster will ruin music" to me. Not even close. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:15:31 PM EDT
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To the "it can just do on screen stuff" people - does writing not mean ANYTHING to you?
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:21:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, on screen stuff is all AI does. Does not paint or sculpt Lol hook it to a robot arm and it will. People are already using AI to generate 3d models for printing. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:23:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many people literally buy and display patent applications as art. Usually just the illustration, but sometimes the description. And CAD drawing wall art is popular in aviation, science fiction, and architecture. There are thousands of examples. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/095321E9-4265-4C90-8BF2-CD697FF94690_jpe-3136518.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/DA5F9F7D-D9E4-4B0F-884D-6C065742A4E6_jpe-3136519.JPG I see your point but those are decorations. Art can be a decoration too. But a decoration is not automatically art. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:27:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not even close. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This just sounds like "Napster will ruin music" to me. Not even close. I understand how it feels that way but my point is it's incredibly difficult to predict the impact disruptive technology will have across multiple markets and the path you envision, while certainly plausible, isn't by any means a given. You don't even consider the possibility that an aspiring artist, instead of spending valuable time learning the skills to translate their imagination into whatever medium whether brush stroke or guitar stroke, instead spends it training an AI to produce it. And because it's the only AI trained by that person in that particular way, creates art that isn't the shallow cookie cutter dystopia you envision. What's important in the artist's art? The physical manipulations or the communication of their imagination, built on all of their emotion and experiences? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recently got a wild hair and spent 15 bucks on a sketch pad and some pencils. I just drew a zebra. I think the key to art is not giving a fuck. Sure, there are professional artists who are commissioned to do certain things, but that's not me. I drew a zebra with zero fucks to give. I also give zero fucks about AI-generated zebras. People with zero fucks will always be creating art for the sake of art with rudimentary tools, advanced tools, and everything in between. There's nothing to be sad about. Some of these works will become popular or commercially successful, but if they don't, fuck it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/244128/1000003654_jpg-3136491.JPG bro, my "not give a fuck zebra sketch" would look like a striped, hairy balloon animal |
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