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Posted: 3/21/2019 7:45:43 AM EDT
From VCDL

VA-ALERT: ACTION ITEMS: Red Flag bill being heard in the Senate on March 26! This is a serious threat!

This Tuesday, March 26, the U.S. Senate Judiciary committee is going to be hearing a Red Flag gun-control/gun confiscation bill put in by Florida Republican Marco Rubio.  Yes, the Republican controlled Senate is going to hear a bill that a Republican put in.  President Trump said right after the Florida school massacre that he thought Red Flag laws were a good idea.

We need to let both of our Senators, Warner and Kaine, hear from us on this AND the President and Vice President, too.  I think the President can be swayed if he learns the truth about what Red Flag laws really do and don't do.  The Vice President might be able to help, as he as the President's ear.

I know, I know - we are not likely to sway either of our Senators.  But by reminding them in large numbers that we are here, we don't want any more gun control, and we are watching, that might at least slow down any pro-active gun control coming from them.  I'm thinking a VCDL protest at some of their district offices this year might also be in order.

Thanks to our sister organization, the Arizona Citizens Defense League, for setting up a special version of their Congressional contact system for us to use.  The Board is considering getting our own Congressional contact system.

ACTION ITEM 1:

Click here to send the pre-written message to Senators Kaine, Warner, President Trump, and Vice President Pence (NOTE:  uncheck "Email Opt-in" if you don't want to get future emails from the Arizona Citizens Defense League):

https://cqrcengage.com/azcdl/app/write-a-letter?4&engagementId=497934

Let's get a few thousand emails headed their way to get their attention and to educate them as well!  We dare not ignore Red Flag bills.

ACTION ITEM 2:

Let's contact the Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell, so he knows that gun owners do NOT want Red Flag laws.  He can help keep the bill from getting a Floor vote if it clears the committee.

Here's a link to his contact form on the web:

https://www.mcconnell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact?p=ContactForm

For the Topic, select "Congressional Rules and Procedures"

Suggested subject: "Please do not let any 'Red Flag' gun bills get a vote on the Senate Floor!

Suggested message:

Extreme Risk Protection Orders, also known as "Red Flag" laws, such as S. 7, are about gun confiscation, not public safety.

Red Flag laws leave the "dangerous" person free to kill himself or others, as the law merely takes away his guns (assuming the police even find all his guns).  If a person is too dangerous to have guns, how is anyone safer if he is still walking around with the rest of us?  Red Flag laws also violate due process, as the accused doesn't have his day in court for weeks after his property (guns) has already been taken and he then has the almost impossible task of proving he's not dangerous.  How do you prove a negative?

Protect America's gun owners and the Constitution - don't let S. 7, or any other Red Flag bills, get to the Floor!
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 7:49:57 AM EDT
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Arbitrary, without adequate due process or adjudication, equals patently unconstitutional.... remember those sentiments when contacting your legislators. I’ve been contacting mine over this mainly because Cornyn seems to have a boner for this kind of overeach. I contacted little Marco’s office too even though he’s not my rep...
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 8:02:09 AM EDT
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I'm not worried.  I'm sure the NRA will protect us.  Wait......
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 8:11:05 AM EDT
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8 year assault something something

Surely that wasn't just lip service
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 10:54:18 AM EDT
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Senate Judiciary Hearing currently going on. Sorry I only have a Facebook link:

https://www.facebook.com/senjudiciary/
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 10:57:23 AM EDT
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Thanks!
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:02:05 AM EDT
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Guys don't worry, really, I mean that stalwart conservative Rmoney will save us.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:15:02 AM EDT
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I just found this and used the Arizona form to email Senators from my state. I works better than anything else I've seen. Thanks!
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:21:35 AM EDT
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They are going to fuck us I believe
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:27:24 AM EDT
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Lindsey Graham's hearing started a little over an hour ago.

Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham began the hearing by praising Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal for his efforts in trying to pass gun control measures. Connecticut, Blumenthal's home state, is one of the first states to enact a red flag law.

Graham said that red flag laws did not violate the Second Amendment, but allowed family and friends to petition a judge to remove firearms from a person who poses a risk to themselves or others.

"Nobody is going to come and take your guns," Graham said, "But at the same time, every right has limits."
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Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:39:51 AM EDT
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Sen Leahy bringing up "Gun Show Loophole", Straw purchase, Mag limits "Giving the deer a chance during hunting season" then attempts to use the same logic to give children a chance.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:51:37 AM EDT
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Yup.

"Pro gun republicans"
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:53:06 AM EDT
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Yep, courts without checks and balances, how do they work, well does FISA and president Trump remind you of what can happen with checks and balances.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:53:53 AM EDT
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Arbitrary, without adequate due process or adjudication, equals patently unconstitutional.... remember those sentiments when contacting your legislators. I've been contacting mine over this mainly because Cornyn seems to have a boner for this kind of overeach. I contacted little Marco's office too even though he's not my rep...
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Doesn't Cornyn have a primary challenger?

we need to take this red flag shit seriously, it won't be used just for guns.
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we need to take this red flag shit seriously, it won't be used just for guns.
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Arbitrary, without adequate due process or adjudication, equals patently unconstitutional.... remember those sentiments when contacting your legislators. I've been contacting mine over this mainly because Cornyn seems to have a boner for this kind of overeach. I contacted little Marco's office too even though he's not my rep...
Doesn't Cornyn have a primary challenger?

we need to take this red flag shit seriously, it won't be used just for guns.
Yep why stop there.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:56:50 AM EDT
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In before people say the NRA doesn't really want common sense gun laws/background checks...

And they weren't polled
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:58:05 AM EDT
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Soapbox- fail
Ballot box- fail

A phone call shouldn’t be necessary. The Constitution is plain in regards to defense and due process.

A phone call to an elected official is only effective if they give a shit what you think.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:58:22 AM EDT
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Arbitrary, without adequate due process or adjudication, equals patently unconstitutional.... remember those sentiments when contacting your legislators. I've been contacting mine over this mainly because Cornyn seems to have a boner for this kind of overeach. I contacted little Marco's office too even though he's not my rep...
Doesn't Cornyn have a primary challenger?

we need to take this red flag shit seriously, it won't be used just for guns.
Yep why stop there.

Edit; The lust for power runs deep in the swamp.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 11:59:56 AM EDT
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Lindsey Graham's hearing started a little over an hour ago.

Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham began the hearing by praising Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal for his efforts in trying to pass gun control measures. Connecticut, Blumenthal's home state, is one of the first states to enact a red flag law.

Graham said that red flag laws did not violate the Second Amendment, but allowed family and friends to petition a judge to remove firearms from a person who poses a risk to themselves or others.

"Nobody is going to come and take your guns," Graham said, "But at the same time, every right has limits."
Every right has limits? What about the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? What about the right that exists to stave off governmental encroachment upon all of the others?
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:01:14 PM EDT
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When Republican Sen. Ted Cruz began his questioning, a protester stood and yelled for Cruz to "end gun terror."

"Thank you Jacinda Ardern!" The protester, a woman, shouted as she was escorted out of the hearing room, referring to the prime minister of New Zealand who announced a ban on automatic assault weapons after a mass shooting killed 50 people earlier this month.

"People are dying and you're killing them!" The protester yelled at Cruz, presumably for his lack of support for banning assault weapons.
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Lindsey Graham's hearing started a little over an hour ago.

Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham began the hearing by praising Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal for his efforts in trying to pass gun control measures. Connecticut, Blumenthal's home state, is one of the first states to enact a red flag law.

Graham said that red flag laws did not violate the Second Amendment, but allowed family and friends to petition a judge to remove firearms from a person who poses a risk to themselves or others.

"Nobody is going to come and take your guns," Graham said, "But at the same time, every right has limits."
Fuck that limp dicked motherfucker
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:16:42 PM EDT
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Lindsey Graham's hearing started a little over an hour ago.

Graham said that red flag laws did not violate the Second Amendment, but allowed family and friends to petition a judge to remove firearms from a person who poses a risk to themselves or others.

"Nobody is going to come and take your guns," Graham said, "But at the same time, every right has limits."
"Every right has limits?" That breaks the BOR down to somebodies interpretation and makes it meaningless.  
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:17:22 PM EDT
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This is probably already a done deal.

Fuck 'lil Marco.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:19:23 PM EDT
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Lindsey Graham's hearing started a little over an hour ago.

Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham began the hearing by praising Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal for his efforts in trying to pass gun control measures. Connecticut, Blumenthal's home state, is one of the first states to enact a red flag law.

Graham said that red flag laws did not violate the Second Amendment, but allowed family and friends to petition a judge to remove firearms from a person who poses a risk to themselves or others.

"Nobody is going to come and take your guns," Graham said, "But at the same time, every right has limits."
That's our boy!!!

Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:23:26 PM EDT
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washington dc cocksucka!!
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:23:50 PM EDT
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Done and done
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:27:16 PM EDT
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summary of hearing?  any action coming out of it?  anyone there to defend us and explain how red flag laws violate due process, will be abused???
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:27:58 PM EDT
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this is part of our 87d chess thanks
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:29:02 PM EDT
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I like to take the guns first, worry about due process later.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:30:50 PM EDT
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Yeah I’m sure Mr. “Take the guns now, worry about due process later” is on our side on this one. Ell oh ell.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:30:55 PM EDT
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Yes the 8 yr assault is over. Now we are on the annihilation portion.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:34:35 PM EDT
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All of this is being crammed through while the spotlight is on Trump's victory with the Mueller Report.  I haven't heard it mentioned

by any of the main conservative talk show hosts or in the mainstream media.  It just goes to show you how insignificant the "conservatives"

behind the microphone and on Capitol Hill think the Second Amendment really is.  Lip service is all we get.  Bastards.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:38:56 PM EDT
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Anybody know what the NRA's official written position is on red flag laws?
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:49:53 PM EDT
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Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham concluded the hearing after all senators present had asked questions.

"I'm far more enlightened than I was before," Graham said, adding that he hoped Congress would be able to come to a bipartisan agreement to help implement red flag laws in states.

"I really can't see a reason why we can't pursue this at the federal level, to incentivize states," Graham said.
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Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:50:54 PM EDT
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Done
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Anybody know what the NRA's official written position is on red flag laws?


This from a NRA BOD member Duane Liptak:

One last note on red flag laws…If you take a look at the terms the NRA is talking about, it’s adding the poison pills that make it less appealing to Dems—you know, like due process, and penalties for false reports, which they are really trying to get around with these.

There’s not a single person in the NRA building that wants red flag laws–because of the risk of abuse. But…saying “not one inch” and sending out emails saying how strong someone’s stance is (that doesn’t actually accomplish anything legislatively) gives the left free reign to build whatever narrative and language they want.

With NRA “supporting” a full due process version, it actually drives hardcore Dems sour on an “NRA supported bill”—because they don’t actually want a bill to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill or dangerous people…there are trying to disarm regular Americans!
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 12:59:08 PM EDT
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"Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham began the hearing by praising Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal for his efforts in trying to pass gun control measures. Connecticut, Blumenthal's home state, is one of the first states to enact a red flag law."
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That guy has a very punchable face.
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Anybody know what the NRA's official written position is on red flag laws?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sNiklO506A

This from a NRA BOD member Duane Liptak:

One last note on red flag lawsIf you take a look at the terms the NRA is talking about, it's adding the poison pills that make it less appealing to Demsyou know, like due process, and penalties for false reports, which they are really trying to get around with these.

There's not a single person in the NRA building that wants red flag lawsbecause of the risk of abuse. Butsaying "not one inch" and sending out emails saying how strong someone's stance is (that doesn't actually accomplish anything legislatively) gives the left free reign to build whatever narrative and language they want.

With NRA "supporting" a full due process version, it actually drives hardcore Dems sour on an "NRA supported bill"because they don't actually want a bill to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill or dangerous peoplethere are trying to disarm regular Americans!
Mr. MAGPUL took part in Pay to Play Lake Arthur PD LEOSA Badge Scheme.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 1:08:58 PM EDT
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BOHICA
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 1:11:46 PM EDT
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@robmkivseries70 can you please provide a link? Thanks!
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 1:12:55 PM EDT
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GOP and NRA must be proud.
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 1:17:30 PM EDT
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Emails sent, called my Senators etc.

We will see what is gonna happen, I think from my relies my NC senators will support us, but who knows.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sNiklO506A

This from a NRA BOD member Duane Liptak:

One last note on red flag lawsIf you take a look at the terms the NRA is talking about, it's adding the poison pills that make it less appealing to Demsyou know, like due process, and penalties for false reports, which they are really trying to get around with these.

There's not a single person in the NRA building that wants red flag lawsbecause of the risk of abuse. Butsaying "not one inch" and sending out emails saying how strong someone's stance is (that doesn't actually accomplish anything legislatively) gives the left free reign to build whatever narrative and language they want.

With NRA "supporting" a full due process version, it actually drives hardcore Dems sour on an "NRA supported bill"because they don't actually want a bill to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill or dangerous peoplethere are trying to disarm regular Americans!
So the NRA is compromising....
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Anybody know what the NRA's official written position is on red flag laws?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sNiklO506A

This from a NRA BOD member Duane Liptak:

One last note on red flag lawsIf you take a look at the terms the NRA is talking about, it's adding the poison pills that make it less appealing to Demsyou know, like due process, and penalties for false reports, which they are really trying to get around with these.

There's not a single person in the NRA building that wants red flag lawsbecause of the risk of abuse. Butsaying "not one inch" and sending out emails saying how strong someone's stance is (that doesn't actually accomplish anything legislatively) gives the left free reign to build whatever narrative and language they want.

With NRA "supporting" a full due process version, it actually drives hardcore Dems sour on an "NRA supported bill"because they don't actually want a bill to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill or dangerous peoplethere are trying to disarm regular Americans!
So the NRA is compromising....
I defended the NRA at first, but Im done with them.
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“The eight-year assault on your Second-amendment freedoms has come to a crashing end.”

- Donald J. Trump
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This from a NRA BOD member Duane Liptak:

One last note on red flag lawsIf you take a look at the terms the NRA is talking about, it's adding the poison pills that make it less appealing to Demsyou know, like due process, and penalties for false reports, which they are really trying to get around with these.

There's not a single person in the NRA building that wants red flag lawsbecause of the risk of abuse. Butsaying "not one inch" and sending out emails saying how strong someone's stance is (that doesn't actually accomplish anything legislatively) gives the left free reign to build whatever narrative and language they want.

With NRA "supporting" a full due process version, it actually drives hardcore Dems sour on an "NRA supported bill"because they don't actually want a bill to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill or dangerous peoplethere are trying to disarm regular Americans!
So the NRA is compromising....
It's like they're stupid or something.

NRA: "We support this" ha ha ha, the Dems will never support a bill that we support
Dems: "Even the NRA supports this, everyone must support this" ha ha ha, the NRA did what we want them to
Link Posted: 3/26/2019 1:36:15 PM EDT
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Nobody NEEDS Ten Amendments in the Bill of Rights.

Six or seven is just fine.



WTF happened to this country?
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Nobody NEEDS Ten Amendments in the Bill of Rights.

Six or seven is just fine.



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The semi-automatic military-style assault Constitution of the United States currently has 27 amendments.
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WTF happened to this country?
The semi-automatic military-style assault Constitution of the United States currently has 27 amendments.
That's just excessive! We need to outlaw High Capacity Constitutions!!!
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