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Posted: 1/16/2021 7:32:29 PM EST
55 People Died in US After Receiving COVID-19 Vaccines

Fifty-five people in the United States have died after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, according to reports submitted to a federal system.

Deaths have occurred among people receiving both the Moderna and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines, according to the reports.


The reporting system, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), is a federal database. The system is passive, meaning reports aren't automatically collected and must be filed. VAERS reports can be filed by anyone, including health care providers, patients, or family members.


VAERS reports "often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors," according to the reporting system's website. Still, reports on VAERS represent "only a small fraction of actual adverse events," the site states, though underreporting is believed to be less common for serious events.


In some cases, patients died within days of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.


One man, a 66-year-old senior home resident in Colorado, was sleepy and stayed in bed a day after getting Moderna's vaccine. Early the next morning, on Christmas Day, the resident "was observed in bed lying still, pale, eyes half open and foam coming from mouth and unresponsive," the VAERS report states. "He was not breathing and with no pulse."


In another case, a 93-year-old South Dakota man was injected with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Jan. 4 around 11 a.m. About two hours later, he said he was tired and couldn't continue with the physical therapy he was doing any longer. He was taken back to his room, where he said his legs felt heavy. Soon after, he stopped breathing. A nurse declared a do-not-resuscitate order.


Moderna and Pfizer didn't respond to requests for comment. Abigail Capobianco, a spokeswoman for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), told The Epoch Times via email, "Any reports of death following the administration of vaccines are promptly and rigorously investigated jointly by FDA" and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).


Officials at the agencies work with health care providers to obtain medical histories and clinical follow-up information and conduct a clinical case review, she said, adding, "It is important to note that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused an adverse event."


Health officials on the VAERS website caution that a report to the system doesn't prove a vaccine caused the adverse event, and that no proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for the system to accept the report.

In addition to the deaths, people have reported 96 life-threatening events following COVID-19 vaccinations, as well as 24 permanent disabilities, 225 hospitalizations, and 1,388 emergency room visits.


COVID-19 is the disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.


Neither the CDC nor the FDA has a central database of reported adverse events. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said on Jan. 6 that severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines were happening at a rate of 11.1 per million vaccinations, compared to the rate of 1.3 per 1 million flu shots.


As of Jan. 15, 10.5 million Americans have received a COVID-19 vaccine. Federal health officials have said that adverse events are being investigated but that the vaccines are still safe to get.


"These are safe and effective vaccines. We have good data to show that," Messonnier said.


One death following a vaccination attracted attention earlier this week. Gregory Michael, a 56-year-old medical worker at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami, Florida, was injected on Dec. 18, 2020. Sixteen days later, he died.


Michael's wife Heidi Neckelmann said on Facebook that her husband was "very healthy" before being vaccinated. She said he was admitted to an intensive care unit with a diagnosis of acute idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, a blood disorder, caused by a reaction to the vaccine. He eventually passed away.


"He was a pro-vaccine advocate, that is why he got it himself," Neckelmann wrote. "I believe that people should be aware that side effects can happen, that it is not good for everyone and in this case destroyed a beautiful life, a perfect family, and has affected so many people in the community. Do not let his death be in vain, please save more lives by making this information news."


Pfizer told news outlets in a statement that no evidence currently shows a link between the death and its vaccine.


"Pfizer and BioNTech are aware of the death of a health care professional 16 days after receiving a first dose of BNT162b2," Pfizer said in a statement. "It is a highly unusual clinical case of severe thrombocytopenia, a condition that decreases the body's ability to clot blood and stop internal bleeding."


"We are actively investigating this case, but we don't believe at this time that there is any direct connection to the vaccine," the company added. "There have been no related safety signals identified in our clinical trials, the post-marketing experience thus far, or with the mRNA vaccine platform. To date, millions of people have been vaccinated and we are closely monitoring all adverse events in individuals receiving our vaccine. It is important to note that serious adverse events, including deaths that are unrelated to the vaccine, are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population."


A Pfizer spokesperson told The Epoch Times via email earlier this month that the company "closely monitor[s] all reports following vaccination." Moderna hasn't responded to requests for comment on its involvement in monitoring serious adverse events in people who get its vaccine.


The updated VAERS data came after Norway changed its COVID-19 vaccination guide to direct officials not to give "very frail" people one of the vaccines, citing 13 deaths among people who were vaccinated.





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Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:36:31 PM EST
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This is how they plan to slow the ss hemorrhage
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:36:49 PM EST
[#2]
Old people sometimes die out of the blue? Shocker.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:37:08 PM EST
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"It was probably something that she ate."
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:37:59 PM EST
[#4]
close enough, covid death, move along.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:38:15 PM EST
[#5]
Epoch times you say?
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:38:33 PM EST
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Yeah, I don't see anything that proves the vaccine did it.  It might have played a role, or maybe not.  Correlation is not necessarily causation.  We'd need more info.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:39:16 PM EST
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My dad was ill the day after, temp and a cough.  Mom is fine and he is back to normal.  Doc said that it was normal.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:39:24 PM EST
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What's their deal anyhow? Bullshit news place or what?
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:39:57 PM EST
[#9]
Not unexpected, we advocated vehemently against vaccinating long term care facility residents.  Not for safety but for efficacy and r naught value reasons
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:40:06 PM EST
[#10]
so what has a higher death rate, covid or the vaccine?
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:41:52 PM EST
[#11]
A very good friend of the family who has diabetes took the vaccine.
Gave her very very bad hives and she was in the hospital for about 5 days.
Kidneys took a beating and are now working at 25% or so.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:41:58 PM EST
[#12]
I'll bet the number is way higher than 55. I personally know someone who died 5 days after receiving the vaccine . Was fine up until the shot . Ask yourself how much truth has been told to us since the whole covid shitshow began ?
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:43:35 PM EST
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Isn't that where most Covid deaths are happening? They probably figured a bigger drop in deaths if they vaccinated nursing homes

Are the covid vaccines harder on the body than other kinds of vaccines?
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:43:49 PM EST
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:45:33 PM EST
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I had both shots and haven’t died (Pfizer).  A day after the 2nd shot, I had a 99.5 fever, muscle aches, and chills that lasted about 3 hours.  Nothing since.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:46:05 PM EST
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A nursing home in one of the Nordic areas killed off something like 23 with the vaccine.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:46:48 PM EST
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So out of 11 million, 55 have died? You sold me on taking it. And here I thought it was dangerous and caused autism.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:47:23 PM EST
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Astounding work on a scientific level.   I'm convinced.

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What's their deal anyhow? Bullshit news place or what?

Good news source so far. I haven’t seen anything to criticize yet. Way better than cable/network news.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:49:22 PM EST
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Forgive me for doubting the "The Epoch Times", especially when they don't bother to link sources.  But here are the results straight from VAERS, all vaccine deaths since November 2020:


"Notes""Month Reported""Month Reported Code""Vaccine Type""Vaccine Type Code""VAERS ID""VAERS ID Code"
"Nov., 2020""2020/11""INFLUENZA VIRUS VACCINE, QUADRIVALENT (INJECTED)""FLU4(SEASONAL)""897563-1""897563-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""909095-1""909095-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""910363-1""910363-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""913143-1""913143-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""913733-1""913733-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""914604-1""914604-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""914621-1""914621-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""914690-1""914690-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""914805-1""914805-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""914895-1""914895-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""914917-1""914917-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""914961-1""914961-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""914994-1""914994-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""915562-1""915562-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""915682-1""915682-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""915880-1""915880-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""915920-1""915920-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""922977-1""922977-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""DIPHTHERIA AND TETANUS TOXOIDS AND ACELLULAR PERTUSSIS VACCINE + HEPATITIS B + INACTIVATED POLIOVIRUS VACCINE ""DTAPHEPBIP""901446-1""901446-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""DIPHTHERIA AND TETANUS TOXOIDS AND ACELLULAR PERTUSSIS VACCINE + INACTIVATED POLIOVIRUS VACCINE + HAEMOPHILUS B CONJUGATE VACCINE""DTAPIPVHIB""902787-1""902787-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""DIPHTHERIA AND TETANUS TOXOIDS AND ACELLULAR PERTUSSIS VACCINE + INACTIVATED POLIOVIRUS VACCINE + HAEMOPHILUS B CONJUGATE VACCINE""DTAPIPVHIB""903039-1""903039-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""DIPHTHERIA AND TETANUS TOXOIDS AND ACELLULAR PERTUSSIS VACCINE + INACTIVATED POLIOVIRUS VACCINE + HAEMOPHILUS B CONJUGATE VACCINE""DTAPIPVHIB""906303-1""906303-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""HAEMOPHILUS B CONJUGATE VACCINE""HIBV""901446-1""901446-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""HEPATITIS B VACCINE""HEP""902787-1""902787-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""HEPATITIS B VACCINE""HEP""906303-1""906303-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""INFLUENZA VIRUS VACCINE, QUADRIVALENT (INJECTED)""FLU4(SEASONAL)""906303-1""906303-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""INFLUENZA VIRUS VACCINE, QUADRIVALENT (INJECTED)""FLU4(SEASONAL)""908105-1""908105-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""PNEUMOCOCCAL, 13-VALENT VACCINE (PREVNAR)""PNC13""901446-1""901446-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""PNEUMOCOCCAL, 13-VALENT VACCINE (PREVNAR)""PNC13""902787-1""902787-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""PNEUMOCOCCAL, 13-VALENT VACCINE (PREVNAR)""PNC13""903039-1""903039-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""PNEUMOCOCCAL, 13-VALENT VACCINE (PREVNAR)""PNC13""906303-1""906303-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""ROTAVIRUS VACCINE, LIVE, ORAL ""RV1""901446-1""901446-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""ROTAVIRUS VACCINE, LIVE, ORAL ""RV1""903039-1""903039-1"
"Dec., 2020""2020/12""ROTAVIRUS VACCINE, LIVE, ORAL, PENTAVALENT""RV5""902787-1""902787-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""917117-1""917117-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""917790-1""917790-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""917793-1""917793-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""918065-1""918065-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""918388-1""918388-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""918418-1""918418-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""918518-1""918518-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""919108-1""919108-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""919537-1""919537-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""920326-1""920326-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""920368-1""920368-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""920545-1""920545-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""920815-1""920815-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""920832-1""920832-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""921175-1""921175-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""921481-1""921481-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""921547-1""921547-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""921572-1""921572-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""921667-1""921667-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""921768-1""921768-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""921880-1""921880-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""923993-1""923993-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""924126-1""924126-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""924186-1""924186-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""924456-1""924456-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""924464-1""924464-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""924664-1""924664-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""925154-1""925154-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""925264-1""925264-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""925556-1""925556-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""926269-1""926269-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""926462-1""926462-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""926568-1""926568-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""926600-1""926600-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""926797-1""926797-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""927189-1""927189-1"
"Jan., 2021""2021/01""COVID19 VACCINE""COVID19""927260-1""927260-1"
"---"
"Dataset: The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)"
"Query Parameters:"
"Date Report Completed: Nov., 2020 to Jan., 2021"
"Date Vaccinated: Nov., 2020 to Jan., 2021"
"Event Category: Death"
"State / Territory: The United States/Territories/Unknown"
"VAERS ID: All"
"Group By: Month Reported; Vaccine Type; VAERS ID"
"Show Totals: False"
"Show Zero Values: Disabled"
"---"
"Help: See http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/help/vaers.html for more information."
"---"
"Query Date: Jan 16, 2021 7:46:33 PM"
"---"
"Suggested Citation: United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), Public Health Service (PHS), Centers for"
"Disease Control (CDC) / Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) 1990 - Previous"
"Friday, CDC WONDER On-line Database. Accessed at http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html on Jan 16, 2021 7:46:33 PM"
"---"
Messages:
"1. The full results are too long to be displayed, only non-zero rows are available."
"2. VAERS data in CDC WONDER are updated every Friday. Hence, results for the same query can change from week to week."
"3. These results are for 60 total events."
"4. When grouped by VAERS ID, results initially don't show Events Reported, Percent, or totals. Use Quick or More Options to"
"restore them, if you wish."
"5. Click on a VAERS ID to see a report containing detailed information for the event."
"---"
Footnotes:
"1. Submitting a report to VAERS does not mean that healthcare personnel or the vaccine caused or contributed to the adverse"
"event (possible side effect)."
"---"
Caveats:
"1.  VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine"
"manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to VAERS. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports"
"alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain"
"information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they"
"are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports"
"should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.   The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope"
"and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA's multi-system approach to"
"post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events,"
"also known as ""safety signals."" If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as"
"the CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have"
"the same limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine."
"  Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:  Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically"
"significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause. "
"Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.  The number of reports alone"
"cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated"
"with vaccines.  VAERS data are limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date"
"for which data are available.  VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be"
"interpreted in the context of other scientific information.  "
"2."
"3. Some items may have more than 1 occurrence in any single event report, such as Symptoms, Vaccine Products, Manufacturers, and"
"Event Categories. If data are grouped by any of these items, then the number in the Events Reported column may exceed the total"
"number of unique events. If percentages are shown, then the associated percentage of total unique event reports will exceed 100%"
"in such cases. For example, the number of Symptoms mentioned is likely to exceed the number of events reported, because many"
"reports include more than 1 Symptom. When more then 1 Symptom occurs in a single report, then the percentage of Symptoms to"
"unique events is more than 100%. More information: http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/help/vaers.html#Suppress."
"4. Data contains VAERS reports processed as of the previous Friday. The VAERS data in WONDER are updated weekly, yet the VAERS"
"system receives continuous updates including revisions and new reports for preceding time periods. More information:"
"http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/help/vaers.html#Reporting."
"5. Values of Event Category field vary in their availability over time due to changes in the reporting form. The ""Emergency"
"Room/Office Visit"" value was avaliable only for events reported using the VAERS-1 form, active 07/01/1990 to 06/29/2017. The"
"""Congenital Anomaly/Birth Defect"", ""Emergency Room"", and ""Office Visit"" values are available only for events reported"
"using the VAERS 2.0 form, active 06/30/2017 to present. These changes must be considered when evaluating count of events for"
"these categories."
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Yup, totally unrelated. Nothing to see here. The gov would tell us if there was something to worry about. The government is wise. The government knows what is best for us...
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:51:07 PM EST
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If it saves one life?
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.
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So the virus has approximately the same death rate as the vaccine? Well...



...alrighty then
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:53:07 PM EST
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.
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This. I am skeptical of the vaccine and don’t plan on taking it, because of how fast it was brought to market and the fact that I am unlikely to have a serious issue with covid.

That being said, 55 people dead out of 10 million is a random anomaly and statistically irrelevant.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:54:32 PM EST
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If only someone had invented science and statistics we could separate bullshit from facts.

Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:55:25 PM EST
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.
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You are not wrong but if one of the 55 had been your parent, wife or  child I have to wonder if you would have made that comment.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 7:58:56 PM EST
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I’m just wondering why when someone gets a vaccine and dies it’s the vaccine’s fault, butt when someone dies of COVID it’s dementia/cancer/diabetes/any other excuse and not COVID?
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:01:00 PM EST
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Rushed, experimental vaccine is rushed.

And experimental.
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You are not wrong but if one of the 55 had been your parent, wife or  child I have to wonder if you would have made that comment.
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.


You are not wrong but if one of the 55 had been your parent, wife or  child I have to wonder if you would have made that comment.


Look, I ain't taking no vaccine that was rushed to market like these but your appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy.  It's the same thing gun banners do.

55 deaths out of 11.9 million US doses (per Bloomberg) is statistically insignificant.


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Look, I ain't taking no vaccine that was rushed to market like these but your appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy.  It's the same thing gun banners do.

55 deaths out of 11.9 million US doses (per Bloomberg) is statistically insignificant.


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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.


You are not wrong but if one of the 55 had been your parent, wife or  child I have to wonder if you would have made that comment.


Look, I ain't taking no vaccine that was rushed to market like these but your appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy.  It's the same thing gun banners do.

55 deaths out of 11.9 million US doses (per Bloomberg) is statistically insignificant.



I pose the same question to you.  Well, would you?
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:04:05 PM EST
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Dormers are no better than leftists. Fuck’em.  I’ll bet most of them here voted Biden.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:04:06 PM EST
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.


You are not wrong but if one of the 55 had been your parent, wife or  child I have to wonder if you would have made that comment.

My parents are in their 70s and are scheduled to receive the first dose of Moderna vaccine in a few weeks. I fully support their decision, knowing there are no guarantees.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:04:09 PM EST
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Epoch times

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8320 would die over the course of 5 weeks in that 10M city of all causes. (5 weeks is how long ago the vaccine rolled out, 2.38/100K/day is the US death rate)

If only 55 died, maybe the vaccine is making people invincible!!!!
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:04:23 PM EST
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So the virus has approximately the same death rate as the vaccine? Well...

...alrighty then
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.


So the virus has approximately the same death rate as the vaccine? Well...

...alrighty then


Sure, if you have somehow managed to convince yourself that COVID deaths are only 55 out of 10,000,000 cases.



Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:05:35 PM EST
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She said he was admitted to an intensive care unit with a diagnosis of acute idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, a blood disorder, caused by a reaction to the vaccine


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Know what this word means? It means “we don’t know the cause.”
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:06:50 PM EST
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My doc took it many weeks ago and he didn't grow any extra limbs, but he did say for the first time ever he gets 10 bars of 5G signal on his phone.

I'll get it at the first opportunity.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:07:48 PM EST
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No wonder Gropin' Joe says it's been an unmitigated disaster.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:07:56 PM EST
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    Refresh my memory......... how many did Cuomo kill with his back to the rest home deal at the beginning? Uhm, NO, I am not taking your vaccine! NFW
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:08:36 PM EST
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

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You are not wrong but if one of the 55 had been your parent, wife or  child I have to wonder if you would have made that comment.


Yeah, and I'd be sad if my parents were one of the 393,000 COVID deaths in the past 12 months too.

Risk analysis isn't about emotion.  It's about breaking things down by the numbers and making an informed decision.

COVID risk is low, Vaccine risk appears to be even lower.  Choose whichever risk suits you most.  The only zero risk option is hiding in your basement and having Grubhub drop off food for the rest of your life.



Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:09:05 PM EST
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What's their deal anyhow? Bullshit news place or what?
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Falun Gong outlet, very anti-Chinese which would be fine if half of their shit wasn't laughable.

Don't trust a news source just because they agree with you and aren't afraid to throw shade at the CCP.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:09:05 PM EST
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So pretty close to the actual virus then? Except you can actually choose to get this or not, unlike the virus.

ya, I think I'll go ahead and play my odds with nature, not government backed science.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:09:08 PM EST
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Yeah, seems they have some actual fucking journalists
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:10:05 PM EST
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And, the masks work, except when they don't work.  Isn't that what we were told.  Credibility is like virginity.  Once it's gone, it's gone.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:10:25 PM EST
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Must be Trump's fault...
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.


You are not wrong but if one of the 55 had been your parent, wife or  child I have to wonder if you would have made that comment.


Look, I ain't taking no vaccine that was rushed to market like these but your appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy.  It's the same thing gun banners do.

55 deaths out of 11.9 million US doses (per Bloomberg) is statistically insignificant.

I pose the same question to you.  Well, would you?

Would I what?

If a loved one befalls a horrible but statistically unlikely death no, I will not be running to "ABC On Your Side" for my five minutes of fame.  Shit happens.


Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:12:20 PM EST
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 I would have assumed it might be higher.  1 in a thousand.  The rules for getting a vaccination is that very old people get the shot sooner than most people.  The elderly ain't far from death anyhow.

If you're 90 years old and take the shot you might die.  If you're 90 years old and catch covid you will die.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:12:38 PM EST
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My parents are in their 70s and are scheduled to receive the first dose of Moderna vaccine in a few weeks. I fully support their decision, knowing there are no guarantees.
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55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated.

Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.


You are not wrong but if one of the 55 had been your parent, wife or  child I have to wonder if you would have made that comment.

My parents are in their 70s and are scheduled to receive the first dose of Moderna vaccine in a few weeks. I fully support their decision, knowing there are no guarantees.


I hope and pray all who take do so with great success and no serious after effects.  
I hope your parents do well.  
I am 72 and generally in good health for my age.  I am skeptical of the vaccines and while at some point in the future I might change my mind I don't think it will be anytime soon.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:13:30 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:14:48 PM EST
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Probably bs. I’m still not getting the vaccine though.
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This. I am skeptical of the vaccine and don’t plan on taking it, because of how fast it was brought to market and the fact that I am unlikely to have a serious issue with covid.

That being said, 55 people dead out of 10 million is a random anomaly and statistically irrelevant.
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Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer.

Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city?

This is not news.


This. I am skeptical of the vaccine and don’t plan on taking it, because of how fast it was brought to market and the fact that I am unlikely to have a serious issue with covid.

That being said, 55 people dead out of 10 million is a random anomaly and statistically irrelevant.


And let's not ignore this part either:

The reporting system, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), is a federal database. The system is passive, meaning reports aren't automatically collected and must be filed. VAERS reports can be filed by anyone, including health care providers, patients, or family members.


They have 55 cases of people who died after receiving the vaccine.  It's not even 55 cases of people who were confirmed to have died because of the vaccine.  Some 400lb guy could have died of a heart attack a week after getting the vaccine and his case could have made this database.  

You are right, people die literally all the time.  If you looked up your odds of dying in any given year or by any given cause, that shit will cause you to lose sleep.  Your odds of dying in a given year as a perfectly healthy 18 year old male are FAR greater than 55 out 10,000,000 million.  In fact, your odds of dying in a given year are more like 8,580 in 10,000,000.


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