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Posted: 9/18/2009 5:52:06 PM EST



http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/forums/posts.aspx?postID=18524


.410 caliber, semi-automatic shotgun AK style for home defence?

pretty stiff price for a 410 shotgun at $900.00 ... can you get 410 shells with double ought buck ?

Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:53:49 PM EST
I'd rather have a .22lr than a .410.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:54:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 5:58:39 PM EST by Hoodooman]
Fun looking plinker/toy...

Home Defense with a .410?

Google Saiga 12ga - now you're talking.

Here's the Spetsnaz model for the WIN...


Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:55:16 PM EST
Why would you want that when a Saiga is hundreds less?

-JTP
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:57:04 PM EST


I personally think it's pretty worthless unless you can fire something bad ass from that 410 shell..
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:57:09 PM EST
There aren't .410 loads made that would be worth a damn compared to literally a fucking vanload of alternative platforms in other calibers.

You'd be better off with a lever gun in .30-30!

For $900, get an AK that shoots things that kill things.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:57:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 5:58:29 PM EST by 40xb-shooter]
You can get triple ought buck (federal i believe). I think a box is like $13 at walmart. They just have 3 balls. My buddy uses it for his home defense.

Or you can get slugs.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:58:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 6:12:09 PM EST by Holloway]
Originally Posted By Hoodooman:
Fun looking plinker/toy...

Home Defense with a .410?

Google Saiga 12ga Tromix- now you're talking.


Fixed
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:02:39 PM EST
Until you can load live badgers into a .410 shell, stick with 12 gauge.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:04:48 PM EST
You can get pretty much the same thing from Saiga in 12guage for less money. I paid about $500 for mine and they
can be had for less if you shop hard. No way would I go for a 410 unless there was nothing else around except maybe
a .22. Saiga 12 is among the best bang for the buck in home defense hardware,
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:06:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By hourglassing:
Until you can load live badgers into a .410 shell, stick with 12 gauge.


A badger with three balls.

Even then, a twelve gauge would likely pack at least two, three-balled badgers.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:06:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
There aren't .410 loads made that would be worth a damn compared to literally a fucking vanload of alternative platforms in other calibers.

You'd be better off with a lever gun in .30-30!

For $900, get an AK that shoots things that kill things.


This.

I've got a sweet little .410 SxS that has busted a quite a few clay pigeons, a handful doves, and a quail. I do have some 00 Buck hand loads (4 pellets, .330") that I loaded up for use on a hog that may wander into the kill zone, BUT I wouldn't actively pursue using the .410 for self defense.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:10:28 PM EST
.410 sux.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:11:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By realist:



http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/forums/posts.aspx?postID=18524


.410 caliber, semi-automatic shotgun AK style for home defence?

pretty stiff price for a 410 shotgun at $900.00 ... can you get 410 shells with double ought buck ?

http://www.arsenalinc.com/sgl41/New-410ShotGun005.jpg

Hint Hint: they make them in 12GA too...

And $900?

I paid $200 for mine back in 2004....
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:12:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 6:14:21 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By JakeThePimp:
Why would you want that when a Saiga is hundreds less?

-JTP

I think that IS a Saiga, in 410, at CTD prices...

Ok, it's a Saiga at Arsenal, Inc prices...

They even call it one...
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:13:50 PM EST


A home defense load is best patterned at the longest possible shot opportunity in your house plus one yard as well as at 25 yards or so. Look for a spread of less than 15", the average width of the human torso at center mass.


It is a semi automatic.. the 410 might be suitable for a smaller sized woman that couldnt take the recoil of a 12 gauge after the first shot...
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:15:12 PM EST
stick with a 12 gauge...
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:18:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 6:27:15 PM EST by anekrel]
Imo, I wouldn't use anything weaker than 20ga #3 or #4 buck for home defense.

Eta:

20ga is usually marketed as the lower-recoil alternative to 12ga.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:18:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By realist:


A home defense load is best patterned at the longest possible shot opportunity in your house plus one yard as well as at 25 yards or so. Look for a spread of less than 15", the average width of the human torso at center mass.


It is a semi automatic.. the 410 might be suitable for a smaller sized woman that couldnt take the recoil of a 12 gauge after the first shot...


There are recoil reducing stocks available. Mesa Tactical makes one and Knoxx has a couple of designs.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:35:09 PM EST
That would be a fun squirrel hunting gun.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:36:20 PM EST
.410 is expensive and it sucks..
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:37:52 PM EST
Eh....

.410 AK would be awesome for unleashing some RAGE on a rat infestation, but not much else.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:40:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
Originally Posted By hourglassing:
Until you can load live badgers into a .410 shell, stick with 12 gauge.


A badger with three balls.

Even then, a twelve gauge would likely pack at least two, three-balled badgers.


Twelve gauge is a whole sack of angry badgers gnawing on your balls.

Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:58:19 PM EST
Instead of this, why not get the much cheaper AR-15 upper that shoots .410. People sell them on the EE for $500-600

No additional background check, and you can resell it when it proves to be useless for self defense and you are done playing with it as a range toy
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 7:01:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By DPeacher:
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
There aren't .410 loads made that would be worth a damn compared to literally a fucking vanload of alternative platforms in other calibers.

You'd be better off with a lever gun in .30-30!

For $900, get an AK that shoots things that kill things.


This.

I've got a sweet little .410 SxS that has busted a quite a few clay pigeons, a handful doves, and a quail. I do have some 00 Buck hand loads (4 pellets, .330") that I loaded up for use on a hog that may wander into the kill zone, BUT I wouldn't actively pursue using the .410 for self defense.



Yeah you bastard. I can't find one like yours, and I want one real bad.


Link Posted: 9/18/2009 7:05:26 PM EST
Can the Saiga in 12guage be left with a loaded magazine in it so that you just need to cycle the bolt before use?

Link Posted: 9/18/2009 7:09:40 PM EST
Yes, but why not just cycle one in and put the safety on?
You can chamber check an AK with the safety on.
Originally Posted By MikeSSS:
Can the Saiga in 12guage be left with a loaded magazine in it so that you just need to cycle the bolt before use?



Link Posted: 9/18/2009 7:36:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By the_ak_kid:
Originally Posted By DPeacher:

I've got a sweet little .410 SxS ...



Yeah you bastard. I can't find one like yours, and I want one real bad.




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Link Posted: 9/18/2009 8:41:39 PM EST
The Arsenal is a quality Saiga conversion. Among the best.

Personally, I would never get this in .410, because I see no need for it. My needs may not be the same as yours.

If you are horny about the .410 and want to spend the money, get it. If you are horny about the .410 and don't want to spend the money, get a Saiga .410 and convert it yourself. You can do this in one afternoon with a modest collection of tools and a basic understanding of the working of the firearm. Look out for 922(r).

Previous posters mentioned the 12 ga. . . The Saiga 12 is simply awesome. Something for you to think about.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:44:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By MikeSSS:
Can the Saiga in 12guage be left with a loaded magazine in it so that you just need to cycle the bolt before use?



They make (the russians) brass-cased 12 gauge ammo. Anecdotal evidence (ie, I have not tried this) indicates that the first plastic-hulled shell will deform from being pressed against the bottom of the bolt. Again, I have not experienced this personally because I haven't tried it. I guess you could use brass for the first shell and plastic thereafter and then leave the mag loaded in the gun.
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