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Posted: 1/30/2011 11:42:27 PM EDT
Protesters & police clash in Sudan

"It's about time we fight for our God-given rights," a Facebook page announcing the protests exhorted, calling for an end to autocratic government practices that have led to corruption, rising prices and unemployment. More than 16,000 people had indicated they would attend. "Our brothers in Tunisia did it, and so did our brothers in Egypt."




Link Posted: 1/30/2011 11:45:06 PM EDT
This could spread to a point where the future is very ugly.
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 11:46:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2011 11:56:03 PM EDT by ArmyInfantryVet]
Didn't something kinda like this happen when the USA won it's independence? and a bunch of European countries ended up trying to overthrow their tyrants?
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 11:48:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mikebiker:
This could spread to a point where the future is very ugly.


Yemen, Jordan...end = ?

People say it all the time and it usually doesn't apply: game changing event...this time it does...the world as we know it is ending, believe it or not, and unfortunately this probably won't be the last epic fail of this administration.
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 11:48:42 PM EDT
Catchy , aint it .
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 11:50:30 PM EDT
Do they have Facebook in Dearborn?
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 11:53:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mikebiker:
This could spread to a point where the future is very ugly.


The present is pretty ugly for alot of people in Sudan.
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 11:54:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Didn't something kinda like this happen when the USA won it's indepence? and a bunch of European countries ended up trying to overthrow their tyrants?

Wait, what?
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 11:55:11 PM EDT
10 bucks says China will send in security forces to Sudan. They got an important oil deal with Sudan.
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 11:55:13 PM EDT
Oh no, what if Sudan descends into chaos and turns into a third world shithole with armed bands roaming the countryside committing genocide?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:00:21 AM EDT
Zuckerberg!!!!!!Damn you!!!!!!Damn you all to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:02:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2011 12:43:30 AM EDT by GNRNR]
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Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:04:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
Oh no, what if Sudan descends into chaos and turns into a third world shithole with armed bands roaming the countryside committing genocide?


Hey! Osama bin Laden can go back there...then we'll get either/both of the Clintons to try and catch him for real this time.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:12:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Didn't something kinda like this happen when the USA won it's independence? and a bunch of European countries ended up trying to overthrow their tyrants?


No. The U.S. engaged in something other than a revolution and a bunch of leftists in France along with genuine liberals who misunderstood what happened in America started somethng really ugly that has done an incredible amount of harm to Western civilization and has led in the end to the snuffing out of millions upon millions of innocent lives, not to mention making many people less free than they otherwise would have been. But at the time it really didn't start a domino effect. It did have some fallout aside from the Napoleonic Wars but it did not lead to a regional change in governments or anything close to it. The big changes came much later (the biggest ones during WWI and its aftermath) and we are still suffering from them. Revolution is a horrible thing.

In this case revolutionary success in one country has inspired a series of revolutionary movements and efforts throughout the Muslim world that could very quickly turn into something ugly if not checked. It's not really the same thing.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:21:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2011 12:22:28 AM EDT by sherrick13]

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
10 bucks says China will send in security forces to Sudan. They got an important oil deal with Sudan.


That would be an interesting power projection that they have not done before. It would be opening a whole new book.

BTW, this was already going down in Sudan, with or without Tunisa and Egypt.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:27:49 AM EDT
Not that we would but could we do this to corrupt other countries . Seems the digital age makes it really easy.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:29:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By lafmedic1:
Not that we would but could we do this to corrupt other countries . Seems the digital age makes it really easy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution

I think someone's already thought of that.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 1:05:34 AM EDT
I was thinking more along of what we tried early in Vietnam . Good read on wiki. It is possible and people do have the means .
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 2:31:33 AM EDT
wait, since when does sudan have a government, I though they were mostly run by Libya?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 2:51:05 AM EDT
And they just lost half their country in a referendum. The south is splitting off.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 2:55:42 AM EDT
In for the downfall of another nation.

Oh, wait.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 3:00:00 AM EDT
Present day Egypt reminds me of Iran pre-Islamic revolution. All those wanting democracy better watch out for the ones who want a religious theocracy. While I applaud their attempts to rid themselves of a dictator, I would still be wary of what will replace the current regime. They say it is all about jobs? Well aside from tourism and oil, what else do these third world Middle East shit holes have to offer? The only folks who can provide instant jobs for the masses are the jihadist aka Muslim Brotherhood. They'll put them to use for sure.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 3:06:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Didn't something kinda like this happen when the USA won it's independence? and a bunch of European countries ended up trying to overthrow their tyrants?

Yeah - most of those 'tries' turned into senseless bloodbaths, though...

And Sudan already HAS an Islamist regime in power, so THEIR situation is very likely NOT Muslim radicals trying to take over.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 3:09:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
10 bucks says China will send in security forces to Sudan. They got an important oil deal with Sudan.


That would be an interesting power projection that they have not done before. It would be opening a whole new book.




BTW, this was already going down in Sudan, with or without Tunisa and Egypt.



I agree that China will deploy forces. They will not let that oil pipe line die.

Max
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 3:19:04 AM EDT
In for the 3rd revolution this month.

Didn't Sudan already have a revolution and genocide in the last year or two.? They want another one already?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:37:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By maxell27:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
10 bucks says China will send in security forces to Sudan. They got an important oil deal with Sudan.


That would be an interesting power projection that they have not done before. It would be opening a whole new book.




BTW, this was already going down in Sudan, with or without Tunisa and Egypt.



I agree that China will deploy forces. They will not let that oil pipe line die.

Max




How?


What is thier sealift capability? Thier airlift capability? Thier logistics infrastructure to support a force large enough to bring stability and safeguard thier interests?


Just asking....

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:39:57 AM EDT
I wager a Shiner that Saudi Arabia will be one of the next ones in the domino effect.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:44:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2011 4:45:51 AM EDT by Rogue-Sasquatch]
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Didn't something kinda like this happen when the USA won it's independence? and a bunch of European countries ended up trying to overthrow their tyrants?

Yeah - most of those 'tries' turned into senseless bloodbaths, though...

And Sudan already HAS an Islamist regime in power, so THEIR situation is very likely NOT Muslim radicals trying to take over.


The most likely result would actually be a split between the Islamist Arabic northern part of the country and the black-African south (which I believe is either mostly either Christian or still follows traditional African tribal beliefs).

I wager a Shiner that Saudi Arabia will be one of the next ones in the domino effect.


Nuh-uh. The House of Saud has spent a LOT of coin on internal security and given that Mecca and Medina are under their watch, they will NOT allow anything to built up steam in their nation. They will likely shoot everybody and hush it up post haste, and they have the resources to do it.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:44:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
Oh no, what if Sudan descends into chaos and turns into a third world shithole with armed bands roaming the countryside committing genocide?


+1
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:47:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2011 4:48:55 AM EDT by 4v50]
Jordan and Saudi Arabia too. We may be seeing the resurrection of the caliphate.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:50:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4v50:
Jordan and Saudi Arabia too. We may be seeing the resurrection of the caliphate.


I want to see Iran go into revolution again . Take those SOB'S out!
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:50:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By john575:
Zuckerberg!!!!!!Damn you!!!!!!Damn you all to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6962/planetoftheapes.jpg


Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:59:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mikebiker:
This could spread to a point where the future is very ugly.


Or bright, depending on how far down the road you're looking.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:00:31 AM EDT
dow is up today, just another media hyped event
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:22:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Didn't something kinda like this happen when the USA won it's independence? and a bunch of European countries ended up trying to overthrow their tyrants?

Yeah - most of those 'tries' turned into senseless bloodbaths, though...

And Sudan already HAS an Islamist regime in power, so THEIR situation is very likely NOT Muslim radicals trying to take over.

I'm not saying anything to the contractary, just that revolutions can be contagious and spread to other countries.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:25:58 AM EDT
If this spreads to Saudi Arabia and it becomes Iran v2.0, we are severely fucked.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:31:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
If this spreads to Saudi Arabia and it becomes Iran v2.0, we are severely fucked.


If any of this threatens oil supplies, all Hell is going to break loose.

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