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8/7/2006 7:08:32 PM EDT
Fucking bunch of whining assholes.  Asked for info explaining how to fit a new trigger, thumb and grip safeties and got the immediate response from a moderator that I should not bother and go right to a gunsmith..  Then the guy tries to insult me when I question as to why he recommends a 'smith to everyone who asks a DIY question.  Then he just goes right to the insult..

These guys seem to think they are some elite gun gurus or whatever.  on guy wrote how it is the 20-30 years of experience that you pay a gunsmith for, blah, blah.  John Browning didn't take that long to design all of his weapons combined..  What a bunch of looney fucks..
8/7/2006 7:09:36 PM EDT
[#1]
Exactly why God created arfcom.
8/7/2006 7:11:01 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Exactly why God created arfcom.


All hail AFRCOM!!

Anyone explain how to fit a trigger and thumb safety to a Springfield 1911?
8/7/2006 7:11:40 PM EDT
[#3]
I don't go there anymore, either.

Too "septic".
8/7/2006 7:12:49 PM EDT
[#4]
That's fucked up.  I fit a Videcki trigger in my last 1911 all on my own.  Worked fine.  not sure about the other parts, but it can be a DIY job.
8/7/2006 7:13:33 PM EDT
[#5]
I am a member there but spend NONE of my time bothering with them anymore
8/7/2006 7:14:01 PM EDT
[#6]
I threw a new trigger and mainspring housing in my 1911 with no problem at all.
No custom fitting needed. Not sure about the grip and thumb safeties, but I'd at least give it a whirl before dropping good money on a 'smith.
The biggest problem I had with mine was getting that flat, fingered, pain in the ass (main)spring back where it belongs.
8/7/2006 7:15:43 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
That's fucked up.  I fit a Videcki trigger in my last 1911 all on my own.  Worked fine.  not sure about the other parts, but it can be a DIY job.


I know.   And I'll do fine with I'm sure.  A couple of members there IM'd me some good info.  The guys on the gunsmith forum are a bunch of elitist asswipes and I guess they don't want to polute their ranks by teaching people how to DIY on 1911's.  They are a lot simpler than a M92 or any of the modern semiautos out there yet these guys try to act like gods when they decide to spew their rhetoric..  
8/7/2006 7:17:43 PM EDT
[#8]
Time for an arfcom infiltration.
8/7/2006 7:18:39 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Time for an arfcom infiltration.



I think their site is down.  That would be finny though.  They would probably have a meltdown..  I'll try to link to the thread..
8/7/2006 7:19:37 PM EDT
[#10]
just go get a decent book and some files
thats what I did go slow with handtools

you really need a book and pictures for te thumb safety
it is much easier just to show you pics and there is the safety element there

the trigger just sand down the top and bottom till it will fit into the frame and is reasonably snug

grip safetys are a drop in unless you need to radius the rear of the frame but then you need  jig and have to refinsh it
8/7/2006 7:21:39 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Exactly why God created arfcom.


All hail AFRCOM!!

Anyone explain how to fit a trigger and thumb safety to a Springfield 1911?

www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=5&f=49

www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=5&f=18

8/7/2006 7:23:28 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
just go get a decent book and some files
thats what I did go slow with handtools


Thats what I had planned.  But apparently it's an art that takes generations to learn and perfect.  I found one thread where a guy had asked for some info.  He wrote that he had a trained watchmaker and a trade machinist and a complete machine shop at his disposal to complete the simple task at hand.  Guess what?  Take it to a gunsmith..  Way to complicated, even for a journeyman machinist.  Unfucking real..


Can anyone access their site?  I want to post the transcript of the thread here..
8/7/2006 7:25:49 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
just go get a decent book and some files
thats what I did go slow with handtools


Thats what I had planned.  But apparently it's an art that takes generations to learn and perfect.  I found one thread where a guy had asked for some info.  He wrote that he had a trained watchmaker and a trade machinist and a complete machine shop at his disposal to complete the simple task at hand.  Guess what?  Take it to a gunsmith..  Way to complicated, even for a journeyman machinist.  Unfucking real..


Can anyone access their site?  I want to post the transcript of the thread here..


LOL Im a moron but I taught myself with a POS Essex and a book in 1 evening

Frame stuff is pretty easy

the slide to barrel to frame fit  is where the magic comes into play
8/7/2006 7:26:26 PM EDT
[#14]
That was the first internet forum I ever joined, its ok,


but I know what your talking about. It isn't as friendly and comfortable as ARFCOM. I still like ARFCOM's 1911 section better too.
8/7/2006 7:28:28 PM EDT
[#15]
Can anyone access their site right now?
8/7/2006 7:30:25 PM EDT
[#16]
Nope, ain't working for me right now.

No big loss though.  I agree, don't like the "Shit don't stink" attitudes and the "You're too dumb for this, see a gunsmith" stuff.
8/7/2006 7:31:54 PM EDT
[#17]
I can't, I was going to raise a little hell there.
8/7/2006 7:38:50 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
just go get a decent book and some files
thats what I did go slow with handtools

you really need a book and pictures for te thumb safety
it is much easier just to show you pics and there is the safety element there

the trigger just sand down the top and bottom till it will fit into the frame and is reasonably snug

grip safetys are a drop in unless you need to radius the rear of the frame but then you need  jig and have to refinsh it


I'm gonna get the jig and radius it and fit a Smith and Alexander beavertail on it.  Then When I am all done repark the frame.  I have the stuff to do it at home.  Done a lot of small parts for my Garnds on the kitchen stove that look like they were done by a gunsmith..
8/8/2006 2:51:42 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
I can't, I was going to raise a little hell there.


Looks like they are back up and running.  

Here's the thread if anyone is interested.  reall up tight bunch of people. I'm USN_AIRCREW on that board..

Link removed.  Please take your personal issues with other websites somewhere else.  Thank you. ~ 82nd
8/8/2006 2:54:57 AM EDT
[#20]
The 1911 forum is chock full of Prima Donnas. Registered there and posted about once or twice a week. After seeing the God Complex assholes, I quit. Haven't been back. Don't know if my nic is still active.
Don't care either.
8/8/2006 3:00:58 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
The 1911 forum is chock full of Prima Donnas. Registered there and posted about once or twice a week. After seeing the God Complex assholes, I quit. Haven't been back. Don't know if my nic is still active.
Don't care either.


both 1911 sites have become teh suck.....I don't even waste my time there.....
8/8/2006 3:18:33 AM EDT
[#22]
We cannot host threads directing people to harrass other websites.  Please take that somewhere else.  
8/8/2006 3:35:02 AM EDT
[#23]
I am a member there. I never had a problem with my questions. I had some problems with installing a grip safety on my GI.

I posted the question and got a good link from another member. Went home and installed a Kings wide grip safety myself vs the $170 I was quoted from a smith.

I even bought the grip safety from the exchange section on the sight from another member.

You can do the work yourself, dont let someone tell you you cant, just be carefull, you can make some expensive mistakes messing with your 1911.
8/8/2006 3:35:41 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
We cannot host threads directing people to harrass other websites.  Please take that somewhere else.  


Not my intention at all.  just posted in the same reply what I had intended to post earlier.  

8/8/2006 3:56:45 AM EDT
[#25]
i had a very good experience with that site on a few of my builds, but then again that was years ago.
8/8/2006 8:47:04 AM EDT
[#26]
There is good advice on there.

My huge ass complaint about that site is that you cannot give your honest opinion about a gunsmith if that opinion is negative. If you had XYZ Gunsmithing build you a 1911 and it sucked balls, if you post that information they will delete the thread or lock it.

So basically, if some guy posts asking if he should send a 1911 to XYZ Gunsmithing, nobody is going to say no, they suck. I think that is just plain out wrong.
8/8/2006 8:55:30 AM EDT
[#27]
Valkyrie, I sent you a PM over there.  

Spend some time over at www.homegunsmith.com and www.blindhogg.com.

The mods and staff on that board must quake in their boots at the thought of being sued.  You can't even ask how much a gun is worth.

There are some good folks there but the mods are way too heavy-handed IMO, and some of them are short on patience.
8/8/2006 9:25:27 AM EDT
[#28]
I've gone to that site for information, which is usually pretty helpful. I don't hesitate to do work on my 1911. I just make sure I have all the knowledge before I get started. Only thing I cannot (and won't) do is fitting a bbl or cutting dovetails for sights. With that said, I have installed match bbl bushing, grip safety, match trigger, and hammer(all from Wilson Combat), and even checkered my front strap. All of which required some amount of fitting, but the service tech at Wilson let me know how to do it. It is much more rewarding to do it yourself IMO (+ you save a bunch of money for more ammo)

Mark
8/8/2006 9:32:42 AM EDT
[#29]
Yeah, they kinda come off as snobby sometimes. The 1911 really brings out alot of emotion in some folks. I have been a member there for years but don't go there much at all. There is alot of knowledge there if you tread lightly on their egos and precious 1911 mentality.
8/8/2006 9:33:19 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
We cannot host threads directing people to harrass other websites.  Please take that somewhere else.  


You mean like DU and Bruce B's website?

8/8/2006 9:38:35 AM EDT
[#31]
I guess they have a hair across their ass about certain things.

Someone over at one of the AK forums posted the following a few days ago...



"signed up over at 1911 forum . someplace i've never been . made a post to invite others over here to the ammoroom to see the 762x39 info and tests .

didnt even post a link .

the place is mostly about .45s any way .

about 15min later , i notice the post is gone . so i log back on and see this :

Quote:
vBulletin Message

You have been banned for the following reason:
None

Date the ban will be lifted: Never



i've finally been , officially , BANNED from somewhere

snork snork
"
8/8/2006 9:42:53 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
I guess they have a hair across their ass about certain things.

Someone over at one of the AK forums posted the following a few days ago...



"signed up over at 1911 forum . someplace i've never been . made a post to invite others over here to the ammoroom to see the 762x39 info and tests .

didnt even post a link .

the place is mostly about .45s any way .

about 15min later , i notice the post is gone . so i log back on and see this :

Quote:
vBulletin Message

You have been banned for the following reason:
None

Date the ban will be lifted: Never



i've finally been , officially , BANNED from somewhere

snork snork
"


yeah now I am banned?

What bunch of whack jobs..  Oh well, I lived this long without them, I doubt I will suffer any.
8/8/2006 9:49:55 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
We cannot host threads directing people to harrass other websites.  Please take that somewhere else.  


You mean like DU and Bruce B's website?



SHHHHHHHhhhh!
8/8/2006 9:52:05 AM EDT
[#34]
I'd been a member there for a while when I posted about my new high-end SA breaking after 20 rounds (thumb safety) and how one of tehe grip screw busings self-destructed while I was putting new grips on the gun.

Got a couple nasty posts about how I must be a ham-fisted home gunsmith and how dare I say that the gun broke. I must have caused all the problems.

In another section of the forum I was getting a bunch of IMs asking me what I had done to mod my S&W 1911 (one of the first on the market) (since I had put an S&A magwell and a carbon fiber trigger, along with nicer grips). One of the guys that IM'd me for advice on the S&W was also one of the idiots that was flaming me in public in the SA section over complaining about my broken $1600 gun.

Rarely go back there these days.