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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:57:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 1:57:29 AM EST by Voldermortist]
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/patriot_act.html


The Bush administration’s allies in Congress, led by J. Dennis Hastert of Illinois, the speaker of the House, have launched another assault on constitutionally protected civil liberties with a bill many are calling Patriot Act II (PA II). However, it is not to be confused with the 2003 version of Patriot Act II. But according to the Associated Press, in a draft of the House GOP legislation, many of the provisions are similar to the draft copy of the “Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003” that leaked out of the Justice Department in January 2003.

Many Democrats and civil libertarians charge the new PA II authorizes heavy-handed infringements on civil liberties. House Democratic leaders and civil liberties advocates said on Sept. 22 that the Republican bill ostensibly responding to the findings of the 9-11 commission would go well beyond the panel’s recommendations. It would call for broad new powers for law enforcement agencies, they said, and would include new authority to conduct electronic surveillance in terrorism investigations.

Among the provisions, said AP, are measures on the deportation of aliens who are suspected of being linked to foreign revolutionary groups which have been labeled as terrorists, mandatory pretrial detention for terrorism suspects, warrants against non-citizens even when a target can’t be tied to a foreign power and enhanced penalties for threats or attempts to use chemical or nuclear weapons.

John Feehery is a spokesman for Hastert. Feehery told AP that criticism of the bill was unwarranted as of the evening of Sept. 22, because the legislation was still not in final form and was not ready for release to the public. A spokesman for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) agreed on Sept. 22 that House members were still working on a final version of the legislation.

But critics warn that the proposed law is aimed against the entire U.S. population, not a minority of Arab immigrants.

The proposal, they say, would grant the government the power to strip citizenship of native-born Americans and deport them without any evidence of wrongdoing, even though this would be contrary to the Constitution.
It would also allow for secret arrests, secret trials and secret torturing of “suspects.” Habeas corpus, Americans’ most sacred right, would be eliminated.
The law would also remove all restrictions on police spying on citizens. Patriot Act II would create 15 new death penalties, one of which could be applied to acts of protest. Under the Hastert measure’s definitions, anti-war protesters could be deemed terrorists. In fact, any dissident could be spied on, harassed, and imprisoned indefinitely for exercising their legal and constitutionally protected rights.
This legislation would give the government the same power that Stalin and Julius Caesar gave themselves, said one detractor.

While terrorism certainly is a threat that must be addressed, curtailing the civil liberties of innocent Americans is by no means a way of doing so.

AFP readers will recall that the first so-called Patriot Act was passed without the members of Congress being allowed to view the draft of the bill. Those who wanted it to be read and debated were told to vote for it or they would be blamed for the next terrorist outrage. It passed overwhelmingly.

Many experts fear similar tactics will be used to pass PA II, keeping the public ignorant of the proposed law’s existence until it is too late.



So much for freedom. Get ready for fascism and a new Nazi regime under Der Fuhrers.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 2:05:12 AM EST
I'd like to see the final draft before I bash the hell out of this one.

There's a reason they're saying, "whoa...this isn't finished yet...don't draw conclusions..." And the reason is that it sucks.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 2:07:39 AM EST
I was saying that considering what I've read. If the situation changes then so does my opinion. hence the reason why news agencies are still in business.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 4:48:33 AM EST
Wow, mindless drivel from another of the myriad tinfoil-hat 9/11 conspiracy sites. Too bad the author of this 'news' story cannot quote a SINGLE source to support his contention on what the proposed bill actually contains. And the line about no one in Congress be allowed to view the first Patriot Act is pure bull. It is a sure sign that the article is made up crap.

Of course, there will be plenty of people on this site who will believe it, because "I read it on the interweb."
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 5:40:11 AM EST
15 new death penalties?

Well, we already have hanging, electric chair, gas, firing squad, lethal injection, etc. What else is available?

-- Boiling in oil
-- Beheading
-- Burning at the stake
-- Crucifiction
-- Staking to an ant hill in the desert
-- 1-on-1 with a hungry lion
-- drawing and quartering
-- stoning
-- thrown off a cliff
-- buried alive

I think that pretty much does it for the more conventional stuff that's been done. We need to get creative to round out the list.

"How about shooting a guy out of a high-speed catapult -- right into a brick wall!" --G. Carlin
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 5:41:02 AM EST
dismemberment. you forgot that one.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 11:50:12 AM EST
I thought drawing and quartering pretty much was dismemberment.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 11:51:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
15 new death penalties?

Well, we already have hanging, electric chair, gas, firing squad, lethal injection, etc. What else is available?

-- Boiling in oil
-- Beheading
-- Burning at the stake
-- Crucifiction
-- Staking to an ant hill in the desert
-- 1-on-1 with a hungry lion
-- drawing and quartering
-- stoning
-- thrown off a cliff
-- buried alive

I think that pretty much does it for the more conventional stuff that's been done. We need to get creative to round out the list.

"How about shooting a guy out of a high-speed catapult -- right into a brick wall!" --G. Carlin




I like the way you think!

Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:30:40 PM EST

…The proposal, they say, would grant the government the power to strip citizenship of native-born Americans and deport them…

Just curious – where would the government deport a native-born citizen to?
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:35:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 7:36:22 PM EST by Voldermortist]
199 I was rather curious about that too.

And for whoever mentioned it being on the internet makes it true, I never said I believed it. I was merely pointing it and throwing a halfass comment about it.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:43:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 7:52:20 PM EST by Dave_A]
Sounds perfectly fine if all it does is listed there...

Non-citizens HAVE NO RIGHTS so we cannot violate their rights...

If you are a foreigner suspected of terrorisim and we can't convict you, throwing your ass out of the country is a MILD penalty...

Judges have people remanded for every day crimes, every day... Merely being charged with Terrorisim meets the constitutional requirements for remand without bail, IMHO...

And so on...

Given the how thick the that the press/ACLU/Demos have spread about the current PATRIOT Act is, I don't believe the tail end about torture & executing protestors. I would also point out that some protestors (like the WTO guys) ARE terrorists.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:46:35 PM EST
DROWNING
SUFFOCATION
EXTANGUATION
IM­PALEMENT
STARVATION
INFECTION
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:52:24 PM EST
have we all forgot about wrapping in wet leather and set out in the sun?
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:55:13 PM EST
I see someone needs to loosen their tinfoil a bit.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:59:34 PM EST
This one is quite disturbing, if what we see here is the truth. The only real danger in the first PATRIOT Act was the definition of terrorism.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:01:28 PM EST
Why do I have a feeling that this is the Libs and other uninformed peoples crying "Wolf!" just like the Patriot Act Pt I?

Read it, then judge, don't base your opinion off of what other people say.. just because Dan Rather says the Assault Weapons Ban banned machineguns, do you believe him?
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