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Posted: 6/29/2009 12:13:03 PM EDT
I like .45 ACP.  I like 1911s.  I also like high cap .45 ACP guns, which we're finally seeing more of.  Today a person can choose between a wide body 1911, a USP, an HK45, an FNP, an XD45, a G21, an MP45, and probably others I'm neglecting.  This is nothing more than a photo comparison between the FNP and USP.  When all is said and done, I cannot choose a clear favorite between the two.  The FNP wins on capacity (as well as magazine price).  I like the FNP's trigger better in both SA and DA.  I find the FNP magazine release to be more natural than the one found on the USP.  However, the USP slide release is much more useful and easy to manipulate.  The Safe/Fire/Decock function allows for Condition 1 carry, which the FNP does not.  Finally, even with the FNP's interchangeable backstrap, the USP is more natural in my hand being slightly slimmer, although longer, in grip.  The FNP has a more 1911ish grip angle, which I also appreciate.



Both handguns have large triggerguard openings that allow for use with gloved hands.  While this is nice, it pushes attached lights out away from the trigger finger.  I cannot operate a Surefire x200 on the FNP without adjusting my grip.  However, compared to the non standard proprietary rail on the USP, I'd rather have the problem of short fingers.





All in all, I find them both to be fine handguns.  Both are large.  Both are heavy fully loaded.  Both would deliver a bad day to anyone opposing the wielder.

















FNP Magwell









USP Magwell



























 
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:16:47 PM EDT
I refuse to buy HKs but at some point I will buy the FNP 45.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:18:43 PM EDT
I love my HK...nice post, btw.



Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:20:13 PM EDT
The FNP45 USG is what finally made me buy a high cap .45, I almost bought a HK several times in the past.

Agree with all your points except I prefer the HK magazine release. Once you get used to using your trigger finger it is much faster.

Excellent, useful post.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:22:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2009 1:06:45 PM EDT by kaizer27]
Have both, love both.  But if i had to chose it would be the HK without a doubt.



edit:  hell, pic





Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:22:34 PM EDT
Nice ive been wondering about the FNP. I have a USP but the capacity is lacking for it's size.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:25:50 PM EDT
HK FTW.

The ONLY things the FNP45 has over the HK are capacity and price.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:26:59 PM EDT
The USP is a damn beautiful firearm.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:30:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2009 12:30:58 PM EDT by Kuraki]





Originally Posted By StraightShooter7:



HK FTW.





The ONLY things the FNP45 has over the HK are capacity and price.



I disagree.  Standard rail, better trigger, better magazine release, interchangeable backstraps.  If HK would put these features on the USP, together with capacity and $25 15 round magazines, it would be a winner hands down.  Maybe the HK45 does that, I don't know as I haven't looked into them very closely.  





 
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:38:19 PM EDT
I like the metal rails on the FN frame.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:39:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kuraki:

Originally Posted By StraightShooter7:
HK FTW.

The ONLY things the FNP45 has over the HK are capacity and price.

I disagree.  Standard rail, better trigger, better magazine release, interchangeable backstraps.  If HK would put these features on the USP, together with capacity and $25 15 round magazines, it would be a winner hands down.  Maybe the HK45 does that, I don't know as I haven't looked into them very closely.  
 


I have, and it does.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:39:40 PM EDT
i want both
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:40:34 PM EDT



Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:


The USP is a damn beautiful firearm.


This.



I LOVE mine.  Sucks the mags are expensive as hell.



 
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:44:39 PM EDT
Will the FNP fit into a USP holster?
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:45:23 PM EDT
Thanks for the post, but for future reference, please keep the pistol placement consistent from shot to shot. They keep changing spots (swapping from left to right).
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:53:05 PM EDT
In before the men with girly hands and weak genetics claim the USP is too big.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:53:39 PM EDT



IMHO, the FNP's are one of the most under-rated pistols on the market right now.


Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:54:44 PM EDT
What is the street price on the FNP 45?
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:58:41 PM EDT
I own both I like both, but love the 16 rounds of 45 in the FN
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:59:10 PM EDT
Great pictures!
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 12:59:44 PM EDT
Got a buddy who bought a double stack Springfield 1911. The first couple hundred rounds it was a jam-o-matic. I don't know if it ever straightened out or not. It just wouldn't feed right. Mag issues...I don't know.



I'm scared of double stacks because of that experience. I would like an HK though. Sexy pistola.

Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:04:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2009 1:08:51 PM EDT by bclark1]
The USP is a top-notch pistol, but the net commando hype creeping into this thread has put it on an unreasonable pedestal.  A great weapon, as good as any duty-size handgun out there, and I'd bet my life on it; but I find it in no way superior to, say, a 226 (if I may broaden the analysis from .45 alone).  Sure, it's a contentious position that's probably not worth raising in the first place, but I feel obliged to rock the boat in so long as guys who are still "saving up" for a Mk23 continue to lead everyone to believe that the threaded barrel (if not the HK logo alone) will indeed make up for their obesity and bad eyesight when Korean Special Forces hit our shores.





So having flamed one of my favorite weapons, I'll go on to speak well of the one I don't have much trigger time with.  

 I shot the FNP line at an two FN demos a year or so ago and was quite impressed.  As the OP noted, the trigger is great.  I won't lie, I'm not one of these guys who blows out the bullseye every mag, but the weapon just clicked well with me and I was spot-on.  I've wanted an FNP45 since.  I debating saving some bucks by getting a used G21 for the standard-capacity double-stack .45 niche in my safe, but when I was close to buying the G I thought better and decided to wait for the one I really want.  Which reminds me, I haven't bought a pistol in over a year.  WTF?





Point of it all being, in this case you can't go wrong with either, but in general make sure to shoot everything and boot your preconceptions.  Because while I like FN's rifle offerings, I never planned on giving their pistols a second look until I had a chance to shoot them.



ETA: Apologies for the cracked out formatting, I was not trying to be an attention whore, not sure how that got jacked up.



 
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:14:05 PM EDT
I've never seen a FNP 45 do THIS.  Or THIS.






Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:21:17 PM EDT
Yo homie, is that my briefcase?
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:22:42 PM EDT


Do what?  Shoot blanks on highly edited film?

I had a USP and sold it after I bought my XD.  IMO the USP is meh.  Too big (although I haven't handled the FN, the fact that it's even fatter than the HK is a turn off for me), too heavy, etc.  My XD did everthing the USP did, and did it for less money, cheaper mags, and better ergos (for me).  HK makes a fine firearm, but IMO the P7 series was their high point.

I'm seriously looking at a M&P.  However, none of the "hi-cap" .45's I've owned have measured up to my 1911's and were sold.

Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:23:20 PM EDT
Great pics!

If I were to own one, I'd pick the FN.

HH
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:24:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Got a buddy who bought a double stack Springfield 1911. The first couple hundred rounds it was a jam-o-matic. I don't know if it ever straightened out or not. It just wouldn't feed right. Mag issues...I don't know.

I'm scared of double stacks because of that experience. I would like an HK though. Sexy pistola.


The SA double stacks and just about ALL double stack 1911's that aren't from STI/SVI are pretty much crap (their single stacks are good).

Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:25:30 PM EDT
Since HK hates me thinks I suck, my choice would be the FNP45.



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Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:29:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2009 1:33:47 PM EDT by Hebrew_Battle_Rifle]
I took a close look at the USP and a Sig S O A the other day. The S A O had not advantage over my 1911 at all. I saw no reason to spend such a large sum of money for a pistol that offered nothing over my current EDC pistol.
The HK USP .45 had a couple of features that I really liked and preferred greatly over my 1911. These being the mag release, double stack mags, night sights, and polymer frame. But when they brought out the $60 mags, the HK lost all of it's appeal. 10 mags = $666. That is silly. Plus, who wants to let $60 mags hit the concrete/gravel/ whatever while conducting training drills. My 1911 mags costs >$10 so I don't care if they get dinged ans scratched.

Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:35:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:42:24 PM EDT
the FN looks like a pretty decent gun. USP's fit my hands pretty well, and the FN looks pretty close to the USP.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:46:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Trumpet:


Do what?  Shoot blanks on highly edited film?

I had a USP and sold it after I bought my XD.  IMO the USP is meh.  Too big (although I haven't handled the FN, the fact that it's even fatter than the HK is a turn off for me), too heavy, etc.  My XD did everthing the USP did, and did it for less money, cheaper mags, and better ergos (for me).  HK makes a fine firearm, but IMO the P7 series was their high point.

I'm seriously looking at a M&P.  However, none of the "hi-cap" .45's I've owned have measured up to my 1911's and were sold.



Are you trying to tell me that was a movie and not a training video?
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:47:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hkmp5s:


Are you saying that if I had a usp it would turn me into a scientologst?


No, but it would make you able to protect your briefcase from homies.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:51:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By StraightShooter7:


No, but it would make you able to protect your briefcase from homies.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QhuBIkPXn0
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:53:31 PM EDT
Just a thought, but maybe FNH realizes it should be a slide stop and not a slide release?
Sling-shot that baby.

I handled an FNP 45 at my local shop, if I had the cash I'd definitely spring for it.

Kharn
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 1:55:19 PM EDT
I've never owned or shot either one.  The HK is prettier, but this ain't no beauty contest.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:05:02 PM EDT
Y'all suck. I really have better things to do than buy a USP, but you're tempting me...
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:06:40 PM EDT
Both too big for my dainty little hands.  
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:07:50 PM EDT
HK45 vs the FN

The HK45 has alot of advantages over the older USP 45.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:13:44 PM EDT
Picking up an FNP-40 on Friday.

Looked the FNP-45 at Bass Pro over the weekend and it seems like a pretty damned nice gun.  H&Ks are just too expensive for me.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:16:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:17:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ThePatriot556:
HK45 vs the FN

The HK45 has alot of advantages over the older USP 45.


Yeah like 2 fewer rounds

Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:21:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2009 1:36:47 PM EDT by FMJshooter]
Looks like the FN has a lower bore axis as well. Can anyone confirm?
Slide releases are unimportant to me tap and rack!





 
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:23:20 PM EDT
I had a USP 45, great gun but wasn't very accurate for me?

I have now a FNP-45 that I love and is very accurate!

Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:26:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2009 2:36:35 PM EDT by ArmyInfantryVet]
I hate HK and their snobby attitude, but i'd take an HK45 or HK USP over ANY handgun





1911 fanboys need to learn their weapon is almost a 100 year old design, and it has long since been surpassed.





 
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:28:21 PM EDT
The HK45 is a nice gun but the stock Hk45 has a 10-round cap comparable to an M&P45.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:31:44 PM EDT
I own both and like the heck outta them. Both will feed anything besides LSWC's. I'd say my USP is slightly better but it's the Tactical model and has some refinements over the base USP anyways.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:31:51 PM EDT



Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:


I hate HK and their snobby attitude, but i'd take an HK45 or HK USP over ANY handgun



1911 fanboys need to learn their weapon is almost a 100 year old design, and is has long since been surpassed.

 


I think it would be easier to conceal carry a midget holding a 1911 than an HK USP.




 
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:35:30 PM EDT
FN for me.

It would live with it's older cousin, my FAL.





Bill
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:40:32 PM EDT
No offense to anyone who owns the FNP45 as I'm sure that like all of FN's other products they're excellent firearms, but damn if that's not an ugly pistol.

I love and prefer my USP, but I would also trust a FN handgun. I just can't get past the looks on the 45, though.
Link Posted: 6/29/2009 2:58:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mattl:
I refuse to buy HKs but at some point I will buy the FNP 45.


+1 with the stainless slide.

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