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Is it normal to fire the CIWS shit to ship?
Also, I thought the Sea Sparrow was an AA missile - is it normal to fire one of those at another ship too? Isn't that what we have the Harpoon for? -K |
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Well, you guys started it: Coral Sea (Or some such carrier) put a Sea Sparrow into the bridge of a Turkish destroyer... Seriously, though, Sea Sparrow has a shorter minimum range, and is a lot faster than a Harpoon. It also has an entirely different warhead, so if you're more inclined to board the ship afterwards, use the Sea Sparrow's fragmentation warhead to shred the opposition and its equipment as opposed to using a Harpoon's unitary warhead to blast it to the sea floor. NTM |
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FFS, they cant even get set-ups straight anymore. They should have made it look like the Chinese sunk it, giving us a good excuse to ramp up the production of more better newer ships to go kick some chicom ass. I'm disapointed, this is a big let down.
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Dude, have you seen the Canadian military's shopping list in the last while? It's Christmas, Ramadan and Yom Kippur all in one. NTM |
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The Frag off of them is nasty. I can remember blowing up a SM-2 "crow" warhead, that warhead leaves frag that looks like chain-link fence all over the damn place for over a 100 meters. |
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One of the newer mods to CIWS is a FLIR / TV camera and joystick control for ASUW*. *ASUW = Anti-SUrface Warfare |
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Seriously. I don't know what to say. |
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Evil bolt action rifle BobertBobson: I know i was thinkning the same thing. Why didnt they just fill up a suitcase with 4 million dollars, take a boat ride 100 kilometers off the coast, and dump it in the ocean. |
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They spent money to remove rust from a ship they intended on sinking? o.O |
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In 1992 USS SARATOGA (CV 62) fired two NATO Seasparrow missiles at one of her escorts, Turkish destroyer Mauvenet. Here are the results. I was involved in writing the final report, since I had been a Seasparrow test officer for Naval Sea Systems Command from 1987 to 1990: Mauvenet Here are the after action photos. Note that the missiles hit exactly where intended, at the point of largest radar centroid return from the target, in this case, the bridge superstructure. If the enemy vessel is within visual range (horizon), it is a good target for a Seasparrow engagement. One of the advantages is that if he fires a missile at you while your bird is in flight you can engage it immediately. The SAM is pretty fast (marginally supersonic) with a good first-shot Ph. When I was playing sailor as Tactical Action Officer on a Spruance, my plan was to engage with Seasparrow and guns simultaneously. At max range, my Ph wasn't that hot. A missile hit in the superstructure as shown here is an almost assured mission kill. Then you can kill the bastard at your leisure. Anyway... Oh...and the Turks wanted us to hang the officers and men responsible. One day I'll 'splain what happened, if anyone is interested. |
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The Canadians seem to sink a lot of their own ships; at least I see more articles about that topic than the ships they buy or build. Maybe it's a residual French thing goin' on up there. |
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The NATO carrier battle group was operating in the Med. Mauvanet was an escort, on the carrier's 240 at a few thousand yards. It was the middle of the mid watch. The carrier's senior officer on watch in CIC decided to conduct a no-notice drill for the missileers and his CIC crew. The drill was unplanned so the missile crew thought they were engaging a real hostile suface unit. The leaders in CIC were aviators, and unfamiliar with the missile system. They operated the engagement system in a manner consistant with a real engagement. Training mode was not used. When the electronic and voice "engage order" was sent from CIC to the after port Seasparrow system, the operators followed correct procedures and prepared two missiles for firing. When they were granted permission to fire, they did so. The CO on the Mauvenet saw the missiles coming and warned his crew, but it had little effect. Both missiles worked perfectly. The CO and most of his bridge and CIC team were killed. The Board of Inquiry found several factors: -The missile crew was undermanned. Junior personnel were manning the system and failed to ensure that the engagement was a drill. -The CIC team was poorly trained in the missile system and inexperienced. -Senior CIC watch team personnel used improper terminology. -The drill was not properly planned and senior missile team personnel were not informed so that they could take necessary procedures to preclude a launching of a real missile. -The missile crew arming and safing systems were all set to arm. This requires a minimum of two positive manual actions to fire a missile. The missile crew did both. That should have been an alarm to anyone. -The missile system was not in the test and training mode. It should have been. -Overall crew training was inadequate. -The missile crew and CIC were essentially operating on a war footing and didn't know it. They failed to take the proper procedures to prevent an unauthorized launch. -The Turks wanted to get their hands on our officers and men and hang them in Turkey. There is much more...but its been almost 15 years now...and my memory is fuzzy. |
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Still sore that my taxes are used for Canadian defence. |
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Did you know that Canada had originally planned to commit two warships and a division of troops in Iraq? Problem is, once you figure the exchange rate, it's really two inflatable rafts, half a dozen RCMPs, and Rocky and Bullwinkle. |
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Dude........... That was wrong. -K |
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Thanks. Your posts were very informative. I did not know we had the capability to fire AA missils in a SS role. Pretty cool! -K |
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Read teh bottom of page 1 |
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It would be funny if the exchange rate was worse than it is now.... Canada's pretty close to our dollar now :/ 20% less or so.. I fucking hate how our dollar is becoming so sad. Its painful thinking that in the 1960's and 70's i could buy a car with 5 grand with top o line shit in it. now 50 grand... thats fucked. |
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Actualy, 1US $ buys you 1.0883 CDN $ as of friday |
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They still managed to get two out of two hits... NTM |
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