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Posted: 4/12/2024 1:55:25 PM EDT
Just kidding. I did experience a funky reloading thing though.
I am both a poor and a slave to trends. I bought a Savage Axis II in 6.5 Creedmoor. Everything you've heard about the Savage is true. It cost about $400. The factory plastic stock is made of plastic and the fore end is weak and wobbly. It can only shoot less than 1 MOA with ammunition that the gun likes if the shooter does his job. And don't forget that the bullets are too skinny. All in all, real rifle shooters should mock anyone who owns this rifle or shoots this cartridge. Now back my story. I decided to reload after I put a few hundred factory rounds from various factories and of various bullet weights through the barrel. It seems to like 123 and 140 grain bullets. It does not like 95 grain bullets. Saved my brass, cleaned it up, bought some Lee dies (more evidence of my poorness), did the thing and made new ammunition using the minimum load of powder listed at the powder maker's load manual website. All good so far. Took it to the range and the stuff went bang. Accuracy was mediocre so the load ain't right yet and I didn't do my job well enough. Both can be fixed with time and effort. So far so good. Since I'm new to reloading rifle rounds, I checked each cartridge for signs of wrongness as I fired them. All good except for one. I'll be damned if one didn't look like someone poked a little bitty hole in the edge of the primer. All the rest looked good. So the question for Arfcom is: Aside from being a poor and having terrible taste in guns and ammo, how close did I come to dying?  Attached FileMore seriously, am I looking at a primer manufacturing fault or something else? |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:01:24 PM EDT
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Great story but why the stupid click bait headline? Don’t we have enough clickbait bullshit around here?
eta: I'm an asshole on most days but also having a bad day, sorry to take it out on you OP. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great story but why the stupid click bait headline? Don’t we have enough clickbait bullshit around here? Nope, not nearly enough. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:03:16 PM EDT
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Huh, doubletap.
Must be late for my meds again. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:03:39 PM EDT
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Winchester Primer ??
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:04:45 PM EDT
[#5]
What primers did you use in that? There are currently a few threads in the Reloading subforum where guys are talking about recently manufactured Winchester 41 small rifle primers blowing out just like yours did.
Primer problem! WARNING! Defective Winchester #41 primers on the shelves. ETA: Check your bolt face and your firing pin. If it scorched a line in the bolt face or gas cut your firing pin you might want to get them replaced. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:06:05 PM EDT
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That’s an odd failure. It could have just been a bad piece of brass.
When you’re reloading the next batch, give that brand a good inspection before priming and loading. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:08:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great story but why the stupid click bait headline? Don’t we have enough clickbait bullshit around here? Answers in reverse order: 2. No we don't. There's always room for clickbait. 1. Because it was funny to me. Thanks for the compliment. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great story but why the stupid click bait headline? Don’t we have enough clickbait bullshit around here? eta: I'm an asshole on most days but also having a bad day, sorry to take it out on you OP. Dude! No worries. I only cried a little bit because of your meanness. I hope your asshole self has a better day:) |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:20:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude! No worries. I only cried a little bit because of your meanness. I hope your asshole self has a better day:) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great story but why the stupid click bait headline? Don't we have enough clickbait bullshit around here? eta: I'm an asshole on most days but also having a bad day, sorry to take it out on you OP. Dude! No worries. I only cried a little bit because of your meanness. I hope your asshole self has a better day:) 
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:24:41 PM EDT
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OP, what is the load data?
You blew a primer. The primer also is starting to flatten. You may be at max pressure. Or you may have shitty primers. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:30:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great story but why the stupid click bait headline? Don’t we have enough clickbait bullshit around here? Because many, if not most, members here are apparently unable to compose a thread title or simple declarative sentence without resorting to some attention whoring rhetorical device or stratagem. In my early days here, I was as susceptible as any - I once authored a thread titled, “Look At My Beaver” that opened to a picture of a guy holding a baby beaver. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:35:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What primers did you use in that? There are currently a few threads in the Reloading subforum where guys are talking about recently manufactured Winchester 41 small rifle primers blowing out just like yours did. Primer problem! WARNING! Defective Winchester #41 primers on the shelves. ETA: Check your bolt face and your firing pin. If it scorched a line in the bolt face or gas cut your firing pin you might want to get them replaced. May any interested gods piss all over Winchester! The interwebs say that bolt heads run from $29 (stripped) to $90 (super special). Looks like I'll be getting friendly with my local gun smith. So I know, how likely is this now torch cut bolt head to kill me if I cheap out and keep shooting it?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:43:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never, EVER, use that color to highlight text again Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Great story but why the stupid click bait headline? Don't we have enough clickbait bullshit around here? eta: I'm an asshole on most days but also having a bad day, sorry to take it out on you OP. Dude! No worries. I only cried a little bit because of your meanness. I hope your asshole self has a better day:) It does suck doesn't it. 
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:48:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, what is the load data? You blew a primer. The primer also is starting to flatten. You may be at max pressure. Or you may have shitty primers. Winchester standard load large rifle primer 36 grains of 140gr Hornady Match BTHP 2.82 overall length light taper crimp Hogden says this is the starting load. Max is 40grains of powder |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:48:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never, EVER, use that color to highlight text again Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Great story but why the stupid click bait headline? Don't we have enough clickbait bullshit around here? eta: I'm an asshole on most days but also having a bad day, sorry to take it out on you OP. Dude! No worries. I only cried a little bit because of your meanness. I hope your asshole self has a better day:) Reading that made me feel like I just took a hit from a flashlight. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because many, if not most, members here are apparently unable to compose a thread title or simple declarative sentence without resorting to some attention whoring rhetorical device or stratagem. In my early days here, I was as susceptible as any - I once authored a thread titled, “Look At My Beaver” that opened to a picture of a guy holding a baby beaver. I could very easily have written, "Primer problem, Advice reqeusted" But where's the fun in that? Edit: I'm leaving the misspelling of reqeusted un edited because it amuses me. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May any interested gods piss all over Winchester! The interwebs say that bolt heads run from $29 (stripped) to $90 (super special). Looks like I'll be getting friendly with my local gun smith. So I know, how likely is this now torch cut bolt head to kill me if I cheap out and keep shooting it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158069/primer_box_lot_no_DGL747G_jpg-3185889.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158069/bolt_face_jpg-3185890.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What primers did you use in that? There are currently a few threads in the Reloading subforum where guys are talking about recently manufactured Winchester 41 small rifle primers blowing out just like yours did. Primer problem! WARNING! Defective Winchester #41 primers on the shelves. ETA: Check your bolt face and your firing pin. If it scorched a line in the bolt face or gas cut your firing pin you might want to get them replaced. May any interested gods piss all over Winchester! The interwebs say that bolt heads run from $29 (stripped) to $90 (super special). Looks like I'll be getting friendly with my local gun smith. So I know, how likely is this now torch cut bolt head to kill me if I cheap out and keep shooting it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158069/primer_box_lot_no_DGL747G_jpg-3185889.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158069/bolt_face_jpg-3185890.JPG I doubt one primer letting go and cutting some of the bolt face is going to cause it to grenade next time, but I'd get a new one, along with a firing pin if a detailed inspection under magnification indicates there might be ANY issues, and then have Winchester pay for the replacement costs, should you/they determine the primers were at fault. Checkout those two threads and add your info. Seems others are at least getting Winchester to take the primers back and some have been reimbursed for damaged firearm parts in the past. ETA: just saw you're using LR primers. The other threads are talking about small rifle. Could still be indicative of a larger issue at Winchester's facilities though. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:53:54 PM EDT
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Looks like you got some of the bad winchester primers. Hopefully your rifle isn't damaged.
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:55:16 PM EDT
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Winchester Lrp? Known issue and now going on with their srp fuck Winchester and their shitty primers even if not
ETA I knew it yup Winchester bullshit primers my scar 17 and Bergara 243 and my Christensen arms mpr 308 have bolts with chewed faces now and Winchester blew me off big time |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 3:12:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Winchester standard load large rifle primer 36 grains of Hogden 5320 140gr Hornady Match BTHP 2.82 overall length light taper crimp Hogden says this is the starting load. Max is 40grains of powder Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP, what is the load data? You blew a primer. The primer also is starting to flatten. You may be at max pressure. Or you may have shitty primers. Winchester standard load large rifle primer 36 grains of Hogden 5320 140gr Hornady Match BTHP 2.82 overall length light taper crimp Hogden says this is the starting load. Max is 40grains of powder You sure about that powder? |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 3:13:28 PM EDT
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Possible you put the cheese for 123's under a 140?
That would probably do it. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 3:21:24 PM EDT
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Hodgdon does not make an H5320 or 5320 powder.
Either you mean H4350 or you don’t know what powder you are using. IF you are using H4350 then 36 grains is a good starting load. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 3:21:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May any interested gods piss all over Winchester! The interwebs say that bolt heads run from $29 (stripped) to $90 (super special). Looks like I'll be getting friendly with my local gun smith. So I know, how likely is this now torch cut bolt head to kill me if I cheap out and keep shooting it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158069/primer_box_lot_no_DGL747G_jpg-3185889.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158069/bolt_face_jpg-3185890.JPG |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:00:37 PM EDT
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But did you died?
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:01:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure about that powder? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: OP, what is the load data? You blew a primer. The primer also is starting to flatten. You may be at max pressure. Or you may have shitty primers. Winchester standard load large rifle primer 36 grains of Hogden 5320 140gr Hornady Match BTHP 2.82 overall length light taper crimp Hogden says this is the starting load. Max is 40grains of powder You sure about that powder? H4320 H4350 potatoe potatoh Actually, thanks for pointing out my fat fingered error. It's H4350. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:02:56 PM EDT
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Scared me. I thought I would read that you had Alec Baldwin over, helping you.
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hodgdon does not make an H5320 or 5320 powder. Either you mean H4350 or you don’t know what powder you are using. IF you are using H4350 then 36 grains is a good starting load. You are correct. As is the bottle of powder that I'm looking at right now. H4350 |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JB Weld Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: May any interested gods piss all over Winchester! The interwebs say that bolt heads run from $29 (stripped) to $90 (super special). Looks like I'll be getting friendly with my local gun smith. So I know, how likely is this now torch cut bolt head to kill me if I cheap out and keep shooting it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158069/primer_box_lot_no_DGL747G_jpg-3185889.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158069/bolt_face_jpg-3185890.JPG Now that's the GD answer I was looking for 
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:04:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But did you died? Not yet but the day is young |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:05:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scared me. I thought I would read that you had Alec Baldwin over, helping you. I have him stand in front and hold the muzzle steady 
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reading that made me feel like I just took a hit from a flashlight. What did it sound like?
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Posted: 4/12/2024 5:03:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct. As is the bottle of powder that I'm looking at right now. H4350 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hodgdon does not make an H5320 or 5320 powder. Either you mean H4350 or you don’t know what powder you are using. IF you are using H4350 then 36 grains is a good starting load. You are correct. As is the bottle of powder that I'm looking at right now. H4350 Whoa whoa, hol' up. You shootin' H4350 outta da Savage Axis? Man das shit's GOLE, yo. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 6:12:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whoa whoa, hol' up. You shootin' H4350 outta da Savage Axis? Man das shit's GOLE, yo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hodgdon does not make an H5320 or 5320 powder. Either you mean H4350 or you don’t know what powder you are using. IF you are using H4350 then 36 grains is a good starting load. You are correct. As is the bottle of powder that I'm looking at right now. H4350 Whoa whoa, hol' up. You shootin' H4350 outta da Savage Axis? Man das shit's GOLE, yo. Like poors everywhere, my problem is that I misalocate my assets. Here I am wasting H3450 that is much too good for my station. What I should be doing is grinding up strike anywhere match heads. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 4:41:45 PM EDT
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It's a known bad lot.
Here is a post from 24hrcampfire with a list of bad Winchester primer lot numbers. Originally Posted by fremont This post definitely got my attention, because 80% of the primers on my shelf are Winchester. 1. Is there a definitive list of defective lots? I cannot find anything on the Win site. 2. Are people just sending back primers regardless of Lot # and getting refunds? Here is a partial list at least that I found from several different posts on here, not sure how accurate it is but it's something to go on: Here's the list. Thanks to whoever provided it. CAL401G CFL486G CLL555G DAL594G DFL717G DHL766G DNL 837G DNL836G EAL234G GDL 225G GEL 250G DML834G WLR EAL234G WLRM Okay, here's what I've got. Once again, these lot numbers are simply ones that have been reported as problematic by internet posters. I have no way of knowing if the information is correct, or that other lots not listed are okay. It's your responsibility to contact Winchester for specific information. LOTS REPORTED BY USERS ONLINE: CAL401G CFL486G CLL555G DAL594G DFL717G DHL766G DNL 837G DNL836G EAL234G GDL 225G GEL 250G DML834G WLR EAL234G WLRM CLL555G CCL435G EHL067G DHL774G DHL788G DAL594G CAL401G GDL255G GFL284G DGL741G FEL255G DGL731G DKL801G HLL692G DHL765G DFL713G DLL826G DFL723G DEL690G CLL552G DGL747G CGL499G HKL687G |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 4:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a known bad lot. Here is a post from 24hrcampfire with a list of bad Winchester primer lot numbers. Originally Posted by fremont This post definitely got my attention, because 80% of the primers on my shelf are Winchester. 1. Is there a definitive list of defective lots? I cannot find anything on the Win site. 2. Are people just sending back primers regardless of Lot # and getting refunds? Here is a partial list at least that I found from several different posts on here, not sure how accurate it is but it's something to go on: Here's the list. Thanks to whoever provided it. CAL401G CFL486G CLL555G DAL594G DFL717G DHL766G DNL 837G DNL836G EAL234G GDL 225G GEL 250G DML834G WLR EAL234G WLRM Okay, here's what I've got. Once again, these lot numbers are simply ones that have been reported as problematic by internet posters. I have no way of knowing if the information is correct, or that other lots not listed are okay. It's your responsibility to contact Winchester for specific information. LOTS REPORTED BY USERS ONLINE: CAL401G CFL486G CLL555G DAL594G DFL717G DHL766G DNL 837G DNL836G EAL234G GDL 225G GEL 250G DML834G WLR EAL234G WLRM CLL555G CCL435G EHL067G DHL774G DHL788G DAL594G CAL401G GDL255G GFL284G DGL741G FEL255G DGL731G DKL801G HLL692G DHL765G DFL713G DLL826G DFL723G DEL690G CLL552G DGL747G CGL499G HKL687G Thanks for posting that list. OP- how old are those primers? |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 5:00:27 PM EDT
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OP, I did that years ago with Winchester primers in my brand new Badger Ordnance action. It’s been through several barrels since then still going strong, it just looks bad. Just keep shooting it!
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:37:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for posting that list. OP- how old are those primers? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's a known bad lot. Here is a post from 24hrcampfire with a list of bad Winchester primer lot numbers. Originally Posted by fremont This post definitely got my attention, because 80% of the primers on my shelf are Winchester. 1. Is there a definitive list of defective lots? I cannot find anything on the Win site. 2. Are people just sending back primers regardless of Lot # and getting refunds? Here is a partial list at least that I found from several different posts on here, not sure how accurate it is but it's something to go on: Here's the list. Thanks to whoever provided it. CAL401G CFL486G CLL555G DAL594G DFL717G DHL766G DNL 837G DNL836G EAL234G GDL 225G GEL 250G DML834G WLR EAL234G WLRM Okay, here's what I've got. Once again, these lot numbers are simply ones that have been reported as problematic by internet posters. I have no way of knowing if the information is correct, or that other lots not listed are okay. It's your responsibility to contact Winchester for specific information. LOTS REPORTED BY USERS ONLINE: CAL401G CFL486G CLL555G DAL594G DFL717G DHL766G DNL 837G DNL836G EAL234G GDL 225G GEL 250G DML834G WLR EAL234G WLRM CLL555G CCL435G EHL067G DHL774G DHL788G DAL594G CAL401G GDL255G GFL284G DGL741G FEL255G DGL731G DKL801G HLL692G DHL765G DFL713G DLL826G DFL723G DEL690G CLL552G DGL747G CGL499G HKL687G Thanks for posting that list. OP- how old are those primers? I bought them a few months ago at some super sporting goods store in AZ. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:39:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, I did that years ago with Winchester primers in my brand new Badger Ordnance action. It’s been through several barrels since then still going strong, it just looks bad. Just keep shooting it! Cool. Thanks for that. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:41:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryWinchester Primers. 
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:49:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, what is the load data? You blew a primer. The primer also is starting to flatten. You may be at max pressure. Or you may have shitty primers. This, the flat primer looks like a hot load. Take a few grains out load 3 then take a few more out and load 3 a few times I bet groups tighten too . Don't go under min load but go up to it see what groups do |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 2:03:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, the flat primer looks like a hot load. Take a few grains out load 3 then take a few more out and load 3 a few times I bet groups tighten too . Don't go under min load but go up to it see what groups do Primer don’t typically blow out the corner of the cup unless they are defective. Flattening can be from low pressure also coupled with having head clearance. Winchester had known problems mid 2000’s that caused this and are now are having the same problem again. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 3:02:09 AM EDT
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That's not even a mild load and that primer isn't flat at all, still has a valley all the way around it and no cratering, a flat primer is flat all the way across and doesn't have a dip all the way around it, it will literally flatten and fill the area around the primer so it's Hella flush.
Quote HistoryQuoted: This, the flat primer looks like a hot load. Take a few grains out load 3 then take a few more out and load 3 a few times I bet groups tighten too . Don't go under min load but go up to it see what groups do |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 3:05:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Winchester standard load large rifle primer 36 grains of 140gr Hornady Match BTHP 2.82 overall length light taper crimp Hogden says this is the starting load. Max is 40grains of powder That's a very mild load in 6.5 40 grain max seems low, ive been loading 42 grains of h4350 behind a 143 eldX for years and it shoots same poi as hornady precission hunter. I did experiment with light bullets and varget for a while and gave up because I had pressure signs and horrible brass life. (Self ejecting primers on the 3rd reloading) |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 3:11:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a very mild load in 6.5 40 grain max seems low, ive been loading 42 grains of h4350 behind a 143 eldX for years and it shoots same poi as hornady precission hunter. I did experiment with light bullets and varget for a while and gave up because I had pressure signs and horrible brass life. (Self ejecting primers on the 3rd reloading) Just did some checking, hornady lists 41.5 as max. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:02:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never, EVER, use that color to highlight text again Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Great story but why the stupid click bait headline? Don't we have enough clickbait bullshit around here? eta: I'm an asshole on most days but also having a bad day, sorry to take it out on you OP. Dude! No worries. I only cried a little bit because of your meanness. I hope your asshole self has a better day:) Never, EVER, use that color to highlight text again Yeah, what he said! |
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