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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:14:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:15:18 PM EDT
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Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:16:22 PM EDT
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The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop.

Fuck the ATF.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:17:08 PM EDT
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It's GD so I'm gonna go with "OH GOD THEY'RE OUTLAWING PISTOLS BUT I AIN'T GOT TIME TO READ IT".

And then 4 pages, two personal attacks and locked.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:17:30 PM EDT
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Anything with them is bad. They'd like to make anything with a pistol grip nfa
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:17:58 PM EDT
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This

 
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:18:00 PM EDT
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Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:19:02 PM EDT
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so, what do they want to do
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Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:19:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Motherfuck the ATF
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:19:39 PM EDT
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Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.
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Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.


how is that not a negative?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:20:43 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:21:33 PM EDT
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how is that not a negative?
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Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.


how is that not a negative?


This.

Are they going to start saying that pistol AR's are actually SBRs?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:21:54 PM EDT
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Is this aimed at that Sig X thingy?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:22:20 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.


I'd like to see the goofy as wording they'll have to work out for that one.

Unless the make exceptions by name.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:23:38 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.


Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:24:39 PM EDT
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haha Fuck them, I already paid to have a Draco, AR pistol, and HK SP89 into NFA SBRs haha.




ohh yeah $600 for a short barrel and stock ummm. Fuck them...
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:18 PM EDT
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Ar pistols will no longer be considered pistols, possibly in the future these will be NFA only.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:22 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.

That would make sense.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:48 PM EDT
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Sounds like they want to shitcan ar and ak pistols.

In states that don't allow sbr, we are fucked again.

I would presume no more of the mare's leg type lever guns as well.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:28:45 PM EDT
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I'm ok with that.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:29:20 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.



That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.

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Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:29:27 PM EDT
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They're currently going after trusts. Now they're trying to go after pistol ARs?

Was only a matter of time.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:29:50 PM EDT
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Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico.

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Dumb it down.

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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.


Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico.



Well that would be like admitting they fucked up. Can't have that.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:31:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:32:03 PM EDT
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it looks as though they are simply removing a redundancy about making a pistol out of a rifle...
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:32:13 PM EDT
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That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.



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Dumb it down.



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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.






That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.



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I think you are onto something.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:33:16 PM EDT
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If the AR started out as a pistol, then I would say the rule doesn't apply to it.  If you take an existing rifle/carbine AR and turn it into a pistol then I would say it applies.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:33:52 PM EDT
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I see it as going after pistol griped shotguns and lever action mare's legs, since they are not reloaded solely by the trigger.   An ar pistol isn't a modified rifle but rather built from the start as a pistol.  You can't take a rifle and make it into a pistol legally now.

???
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:34:21 PM EDT
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fucks sake, what are they doing and who are they doing it too?

Does anyone know?

From what I understand it means you cant make a gun with a stock into a pistol. But that has been the law forever.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:36:36 PM EDT
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Well that would be like admitting they fucked up purposely broke the law. Can't have that.
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.




Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico.







Well that would be like admitting they fucked up purposely broke the law. Can't have that.
Fixed it, for honesty.



 
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:36:59 PM EDT
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Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4)
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translation we are taking this part out because we already say it here
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:39:26 PM EDT
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Start llc, get sot class 1, sell .001% shares of llc to friends that want to get cool class 3 stuff without a wait.

What could go wrong?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:40:02 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:41:12 PM EDT
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When has it ever been positive?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:41:13 PM EDT
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It doesn't show up on regulations.gov yet
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:42:13 PM EDT
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I'm not sure about the second part, because the definition sounds sort of machinegun like, but the first part about things that don't resemble guns, it to make things like brass knuckle guns into AOW.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:42:15 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:42:16 PM EDT
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Reading it, they seem to be trying to find a way to change the "rifle to pistol to rifle" thing.



IE, they want to make it so you cant build a rifle into a pistol
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:43:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:43:53 PM EDT
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Have they opened that convenience store yet?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:51:27 PM EDT
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I see it as going after pistol griped shotguns and lever action mare's legs, since they are not reloaded solely by the trigger.   An ar pistol isn't a modified rifle but rather built from the start as a pistol.  You can't take a rifle and make it into a pistol legally now.

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Maybe Sig's "arm brace" and pistol-caliber carbine with attached supressor core (er, I meant to say "muzzle break") have pushed them into doing SOMETHING - just anything - to push back & tow the line.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:52:57 PM EDT
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Am I an idiot, or does no one know anything?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:54:29 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:55:12 PM EDT
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So.... Time to panic buy pistol lowers?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:56:12 PM EDT
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If the AR started out as a pistol, then I would say the rule doesn't apply to it.  If you take an existing rifle/carbine AR and turn it into a pistol then I would say it applies.
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You cant do that anyways.    A virgin receiver for an AR can become a lower, a pistol lower, or an SBR.  A rifle can become a pistol or a SBR, but only w a tax stamp.  
Once it has had a stock on it, the 'rifle' has 'lost' its virginity.  

See, clear as mud
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:56:51 PM EDT
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How do you know it's being revived?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:57:32 PM EDT
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That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.

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That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.

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SONOFABITCH!

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:57:42 PM EDT
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You cant do that anyways.    A virgin receiver for an AR can become a lower, a pistol lower, or an SBR.  A rifle can become a pistol or a SBR, but only w a tax stamp.  
Once it has had a stock on it, the 'rifle' has 'lost' its virginity.  

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If the AR started out as a pistol, then I would say the rule doesn't apply to it.  If you take an existing rifle/carbine AR and turn it into a pistol then I would say it applies.

You cant do that anyways.    A virgin receiver for an AR can become a lower, a pistol lower, or an SBR.  A rifle can become a pistol or a SBR, but only w a tax stamp.  
Once it has had a stock on it, the 'rifle' has 'lost' its virginity.  

See, clear as mud


It did say they wanted to clarify it.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 7:00:01 PM EDT
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Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.
What guns?



 
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 7:00:47 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does.  My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
How with out making other semi autos NFA?





 
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 7:01:54 PM EDT
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This is coming straight down from Obama.  He's looking for any outlet to restrict gun rights that he can slip by the courts and Congress.  Everything is incremental steps with these guys.  You have to look 5 or 6 steps and 10 years down the line to get a feel for what they're doing.  Of course they'll lie to your face and say they don't want to force AR and AK pistols under NFA rules, but that's exactly what they're aiming for... pun intended.

They are some conniving bastards.
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