Posted: 8/8/2013 6:00:48 AM EDT
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I need some ideas for SAFELY practice Weak Hand Reloads (WHR) in my home. I got a nice box of Remington Dummy Rounds and they worked flawlessly for about a month or so. They eventually got the rim edge so dented that the shells stuck/jam constantly in the mag tube making the WHR practice frustating. Dummy rounds are discarted after this experience. The other idea I have is to buy an extra firing pin and cut/modify the tip so I can SAFELY practice with life ammo. Is this an INSANE idea??? Please enlighten me regarding this frustrating issue before I blow away my Family Room TV set... 
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I bought two 12 gauge snap caps then made my own and used hot glue to fill the primer pocket.
Made out of 6061 Aluminum have stood up to a ton of use. All done on a manual lathe last few were being made in roughly 10 minutes stared with 7/8" bar stock very little waste. 
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Nicely done DCMoney! I have NO access to a lathe, but I do own a glue gun... 
Are you willing to make 12 packs and sell 'em??? Hmm, havent thought about selling them. Quick number crunch and for it to be worth everyones time and money, I would need to sell a minimum of 100, personal order size doesn't matter as long as 100 get sold then I could sell them for $3 each. These are not a bad deal for $5 each 12 Gauge Snap Caps wait for a coupon code. |
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I just use live rounds. After using them for loading practice for a while I shoot them at the range.
It's plenty safe because I: 1) Leave the safety on. 2) Keep my finger off the trigger. 3) Don't chamber a round - I take the shells out through the tube. 4) Keep the gun pointed at the wooded area behind my house. Those snap caps look cool though. They'd be useful for load practice incorporated with dryfire. |
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I just use live rounds. After using them for loading practice for a while I shoot them at the range. It's plenty safe because I: 1) Leave the safety on. 2) Keep my finger off the trigger. 3) Don't chamber a round - I take the shells out through the tube. 4) Keep the gun pointed at the wooded area behind my house. Those snap caps look cool though. They'd be useful for load practice incorporated with dryfire. And malfunction drills. |
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I just use live rounds. After using them for loading practice for a while I shoot them at the range. It's plenty safe because I: 1) Leave the safety on. 2) Keep my finger off the trigger. 3) Don't chamber a round - I take the shells out through the tube. 4) Keep the gun pointed at the wooded area behind my house. Those snap caps look cool though. They'd be useful for load practice incorporated with dryfire. That is just asking for trouble. Everyone always says they are being safe, until the gun fires. I recommend folks use dummy rounds and not live ammunition. |
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That is just asking for trouble. Everyone always says they are being safe, until the gun fires. I recommend folks use dummy rounds and not live ammunition. Quoted:
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I just use live rounds. After using them for loading practice for a while I shoot them at the range. It's plenty safe because I: 1) Leave the safety on. 2) Keep my finger off the trigger. 3) Don't chamber a round - I take the shells out through the tube. 4) Keep the gun pointed at the wooded area behind my house. Those snap caps look cool though. They'd be useful for load practice incorporated with dryfire. That is just asking for trouble. Everyone always says they are being safe, until the gun fires. I recommend folks use dummy rounds and not live ammunition. Yep. I did the same at one time but wisened up before I put a hole in something that I didn't want to. You can get dummy rounds to simulate the weight. |
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Yep. I did the same at one time but wisened up before I put a hole in something that I didn't want to. You can get dummy rounds to simulate the weight. Quoted:
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I just use live rounds. After using them for loading practice for a while I shoot them at the range. It's plenty safe because I: 1) Leave the safety on. 2) Keep my finger off the trigger. 3) Don't chamber a round - I take the shells out through the tube. 4) Keep the gun pointed at the wooded area behind my house. Those snap caps look cool though. They'd be useful for load practice incorporated with dryfire. That is just asking for trouble. Everyone always says they are being safe, until the gun fires. I recommend folks use dummy rounds and not live ammunition. Yep. I did the same at one time but wisened up before I put a hole in something that I didn't want to. You can get dummy rounds to simulate the weight. Given the parts I highlighted in red, I'm hardly 'asking for trouble'. |
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I just use live rounds. After using them for loading practice for a while I shoot them at the range. It's plenty safe because I: 1) Leave the safety on. 2) Keep my finger off the trigger. 3) Don't chamber a round - I take the shells out through the tube. 4) Keep the gun pointed at the wooded area behind my house. Those snap caps look cool though. They'd be useful for load practice incorporated with dryfire. That is just asking for trouble. Everyone always says they are being safe, until the gun fires. I recommend folks use dummy rounds and not live ammunition. Yep. I did the same at one time but wisened up before I put a hole in something that I didn't want to. You can get dummy rounds to simulate the weight. Given the parts I highlighted in red, I'm hardly 'asking for trouble'. You are not being a responsible gun owner. |
| I am a professional gunsmith,, and a word to the wise, most all firing pins are spring loaded (retract), They normally will stay retracted,,,, but we are not operating in the normal way. I have witnessed on quick cycling , the inertia will over power the spring and actually fire a shell. Some autos have a safety feature to prevent this,, but not all. Having the safety on and finger off the trigger will not override physics. Please use some kind of dummy rounds. |
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You are not being a responsible gun owner. I have to do three things to fire a round when I'm practice loading. 1) safety off 2) finger on trigger 3) actually put a round in the chamber. When I put my CCW on every day I only have to do 1 thing 1) put finger on trigger. Does that make me irresponsible? Seriously, dude. Quoted:
I am a professional gunsmith,, and a word to the wise, most all firing pins are spring loaded (retract), They normally will stay retracted,,,, but we are not operating in the normal way. I have witnessed on quick cycling , the inertia will over power the spring and actually fire a shell. Some autos have a safety feature to prevent this,, but not all. Having the safety on and finger off the trigger will not override physics. Please use some kind of dummy rounds. For the 3rd time. I. Don't. Chamber. Rounds. During. Practice. I appreciate everyone's concern, I really do, but for fucks sake - I'm just loading shells into a tube, not performing the 3 other steps I'd need to do to fire. |
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I appreciate everyone's concern, I really do, but for fucks sake - I'm just loading shells into a tube, not performing the 3 other steps I'd need to do to fire. With so many cheap options for obtaining dummy rounds to use for loading practice, that is the safest route to go. OP is asking about practicing in his home "for fucks sake". "seriously dude".. you shouldn't have even posted. 
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With so many cheap options for obtaining dummy rounds to use for loading practice, that is the safest route to go. OP is asking about practicing in his home "for fucks sake". "seriously dude".. you shouldn't have even posted.
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I appreciate everyone's concern, I really do, but for fucks sake - I'm just loading shells into a tube, not performing the 3 other steps I'd need to do to fire. With so many cheap options for obtaining dummy rounds to use for loading practice, that is the safest route to go. OP is asking about practicing in his home "for fucks sake". "seriously dude".. you shouldn't have even posted.
Dummy rounds aren't cheap. They're $5 each in the link above. I had some of the aluminum ones and they wore out very fast. The reloaded dummy rounds are cheaper, but they wear out faster and then there's a danger of getting them mixed up with real rounds- (something that's a lot more likely than me accidentally chambering, unsafing and grabbing the trigger). Most of us do practice in our homes - loading the tube only. We're following all 4 safety rules. |
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Dummy rounds aren't cheap. They're $5 each in the link above. I had some of the aluminum ones and they wore out very fast. The reloaded dummy rounds are cheaper, but they wear out faster and then there's a danger of getting them mixed up with real rounds- (something that's a lot more likely than me accidentally chambering, unsafing and grabbing the trigger). Most of us do practice in our homes - loading the tube only. We're following all 4 safety rules. Quoted:
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I appreciate everyone's concern, I really do, but for fucks sake - I'm just loading shells into a tube, not performing the 3 other steps I'd need to do to fire. With so many cheap options for obtaining dummy rounds to use for loading practice, that is the safest route to go. OP is asking about practicing in his home "for fucks sake". "seriously dude".. you shouldn't have even posted.
Dummy rounds aren't cheap. They're $5 each in the link above. I had some of the aluminum ones and they wore out very fast. The reloaded dummy rounds are cheaper, but they wear out faster and then there's a danger of getting them mixed up with real rounds- (something that's a lot more likely than me accidentally chambering, unsafing and grabbing the trigger). Most of us do practice in our homes - loading the tube only. We're following all 4 safety rules. Op asked for a way to safely practice reloads "in my home". Just because you do something stupid doesn't mean other people have to as well. There isn't a firearm instructor or safety officer alive that would endorse doing what you are doing in a home. OP: I don't know about the quality of your Remington Dummy shells.. I've used the same pack of Fiocchi Dummy Rounds for going on 9 months now. A pack of 25 cost me something like $15 if I remember correctly. Shotgun is stored in safe empty, dummy shells are kept in a location seperate from live ammo. Shotgun is taken to spare bedroom where dummy shells are verified before practice session begins. Feel free to ask people in other forums, in real life... which route is the safest to go with.. using dummy rounds or live ammunition. I'm done here. |
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Link to much better prices dummy rounds mentioned in above post.
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/cartridge-dummies/shotgun-dummies-prod31872.aspx |
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Link to much better prices dummy rounds mentioned in above post. http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/cartridge-dummies/shotgun-dummies-prod31872.aspx I've been using dummy rounds like these for a while with no damage to them anywhere. The rim is steel and the plastic part of the shell is reinforced, they hold up well. |
| I have used dummy rounds in the past, and also beat them to hell. I use live rounds to practice, using the same safety principles EchoFiveKilo posted. Would I recommend it to anyone else? Probably not. But I accept responsibility for any damage that occurs if my shotgun magically loads it's own chamber and starts an autonomous shooting rampage into the brick wall that is behind my sheetrock. Taking the the firing pin out is a good idea too for an extra margin of safety. |
| Never tried the Remington dummy's. I used 2-3 boxes of the fiocchi dummies over the past 3-4 years. They last a good 6 months I'd guess until they start to get chewed up. Once they are chewed up the added resistance is line adding weight to your bench press to her stronger. After practicing with chewed up shells a new shell flies in the gun in a match. |