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Posted: 4/14/2009 3:11:50 PM EDT
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what is the best long range calibers & why .i was thinking about getting a rifle ,i was considering the .223,.308 ,270 its got be soemthing for everything & cheap to shoot vs a magnum . i had my mind almost made up on a .223 riffle but now iam thinking about a .308 & a 270 .
why dont snipers use a .270 it seems to be flater shooting then a .308 |
| The reason most snipers go with the .308 is the availability, you can talk to any other trained sniper and have tons of overlapping data, the 308 is not as good ballistically as many other rounds out there, but if you ever have any kind of issue with a 308 you have, with the internet, in a few minutes of research answers from persons with more expertise and experience than you could imagine. |
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The reason most snipers go with the .308 is the availability, you can talk to any other trained sniper and have tons of overlapping data, the 308 is not as good ballistically as many other rounds out there, but if you ever have any kind of issue with a 308 you have, with the internet, in a few minutes of research answers from persons with more expertise and experience than you could imagine. what about like a 270 its flat shooting |
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The reason most snipers go with the .308 is the availability, you can talk to any other trained sniper and have tons of overlapping data, the 308 is not as good ballistically as many other rounds out there, but if you ever have any kind of issue with a 308 you have, with the internet, in a few minutes of research answers from persons with more expertise and experience than you could imagine. how effective would a .308 be at close range ? whichi is better the 260 or .308 at close & long range? |
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260 Remington 308 case, so any 308 rifle can be rebarreled to it 6.5 bullet, high BAC with 300WM ballistics light recoil so the 260 is a 308 case is necked up to a 6.5 or necked down to a 6.5 .308 is 7.62mm .260 is 6.5mm 260 is 308 necked down to 6.5 |
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The reason most snipers go with the .308 is the availability, you can talk to any other trained sniper and have tons of overlapping data, the 308 is not as good ballistically as many other rounds out there, but if you ever have any kind of issue with a 308 you have, with the internet, in a few minutes of research answers from persons with more expertise and experience than you could imagine. how effective would a .308 be at close range ? whichi is better the 260 or .308 at close & long range? Well IMO the larger mass of the 308 will have greater penetration, but both are high-power rifle rounds and will do an enormous amount of damage to tissue at close range, and that damage in various degrees depending on bullet choice. The 260 and the 308 will both be accurate within their respective ranges, 260 having a longer range. The extra weight of the 308 will probably be more damaging at its max range than the 260 will at its max range, however the 260 at max 308 range will have more energy and so potentially more damaging given the proper bullet. |
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I shoot several Long Range matches a year , mostly BPCR with iron sights (LR= over 700 yds.). When you start talking about 1,000 yds. plus (there are some one mile matches with iron sights!), you would LIKE to have a heavy, high BC bullet in the wind... also for terminal energy. ( good long range BPCR bullets usually weigh around 550 grs.).
One of the biggest "Sleeper" buys in an affordable 1000 yd. rifle is a Finn M-39. (7.62X54). One with good sharp rifling in decent shape would be apx. $300.... With 174 gr. match bullet handloads, all of mine will hold the 10 ring (20") at 1000 yds. with the stock IRON SIGHTS! |
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I shoot several Long Range matches a year , mostly BPCR with iron sights (LR= over 700 yds.). When you start talking about 1,000 yds. plus (there are some one mile matches with iron sights!), you would LIKE to have a heavy, high BC bullet in the wind... also for terminal energy. ( good long range BPCR bullets usually weigh around 550 grs.). One of the biggest "Sleeper" buys in an affordable 1000 yd. rifle is a Finn M-39. (7.62X54). One with good sharp rifling in decent shape would be apx. $300.... With 174 gr. match bullet handloads, all of mine will hold the 10 ring (20") at 1000 yds. with the stock IRON SIGHTS! Just for clarification, you are claiming 10" groups @ 1000Y with mosin irons? Impressive to say the least. |
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The reason most snipers go with the .308 is the availability, you can talk to any other trained sniper and have tons of overlapping data, the 308 is not as good ballistically as many other rounds out there, but if you ever have any kind of issue with a 308 you have, with the internet, in a few minutes of research answers from persons with more expertise and experience than you could imagine. what about like a 270 its flat shooting 270 is based on the 30-06 case which is not very efficient. for long range I would look at a 6.5mm or 7mm in a short action, preferably the 6.5mm. 260 Remington or any of the wildcat 6.5mm benchrest cartridges would be my suggestion. 260 Remington has the advantage that you can use any brass based on the 308 case: 243, 7mm-08, 308 etc... to form your cases. |
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The reason most snipers go with the .308 is the availability, you can talk to any other trained sniper and have tons of overlapping data, the 308 is not as good ballistically as many other rounds out there, but if you ever have any kind of issue with a 308 you have, with the internet, in a few minutes of research answers from persons with more expertise and experience than you could imagine. what about like a 270 its flat shooting 270 is based on the 30-06 case which is not very efficient. for long range I would look at a 6.5mm or 7mm in a short action, preferably the 6.5mm. 260 Remington or any of the wildcat 6.5mm benchrest cartridges would be my suggestion. 260 Remington has the advantage that you can use any brass based on the 308 case: 243, 7mm-08, 308 etc... to form your cases. so has far as cost goews the 260 should be cheap to shoot .is it easy to get ,i dont think ive seen in rifle made in a 260 ,but iam just getting back into shooting .i want something cheap to shoot thats accurate at long ranges ,ill probally never have the change to shoot a 100-yds but i will get the chance to shoot 500 yds.thanks |
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Nope, I said 10 ring (20")..... 10" would be mostly "X" ring...... They are impressive when you consider that two of my rifles were built BEFORE 1899.. (got new barrels in 1942). You could buy them for $99 a few years ago! Not your typical Russian 91-30..( though the receiver is). |
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The reason most snipers go with the .308 is the availability, you can talk to any other trained sniper and have tons of overlapping data, the 308 is not as good ballistically as many other rounds out there, but if you ever have any kind of issue with a 308 you have, with the internet, in a few minutes of research answers from persons with more expertise and experience than you could imagine. what about like a 270 its flat shooting 270 is based on the 30-06 case which is not very efficient. for long range I would look at a 6.5mm or 7mm in a short action, preferably the 6.5mm. 260 Remington or any of the wildcat 6.5mm benchrest cartridges would be my suggestion. 260 Remington has the advantage that you can use any brass based on the 308 case: 243, 7mm-08, 308 etc... to form your cases. so has far as cost goews the 260 should be cheap to shoot .is it easy to get ,i dont think ive seen in rifle made in a 260 ,but iam just getting back into shooting .i want something cheap to shoot thats accurate at long ranges ,ill probally never have the change to shoot a 100-yds but i will get the chance to shoot 500 yds.thanks from a reloader's point of view, .260 is cheaper than 308. I don't buy commercial ammo so I cant comment much on that. 7mm-08 is more readily available as a loaded round around here. Finding a rifle chambered in .260 Remington isn't difficult, you just gotta look around or have a barrel made, which isnt that expensive. Buy a savage short action and have a barrel made in .260 or .260 AI, piece of cake. |
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The reason most snipers go with the .308 is the availability, you can talk to any other trained sniper and have tons of overlapping data, the 308 is not as good ballistically as many other rounds out there, but if you ever have any kind of issue with a 308 you have, with the internet, in a few minutes of research answers from persons with more expertise and experience than you could imagine. what about like a 270 its flat shooting 270 is based on the 30-06 case which is not very efficient. for long range I would look at a 6.5mm or 7mm in a short action, preferably the 6.5mm. 260 Remington or any of the wildcat 6.5mm benchrest cartridges would be my suggestion. 260 Remington has the advantage that you can use any brass based on the 308 case: 243, 7mm-08, 308 etc... to form your cases. so has far as cost goews the 260 should be cheap to shoot .is it easy to get ,i dont think ive seen in rifle made in a 260 ,but iam just getting back into shooting .i want something cheap to shoot thats accurate at long ranges ,ill probally never have the change to shoot a 100-yds but i will get the chance to shoot 500 yds.thanks from a reloader's point of view, .260 is cheaper than 308. I don't buy commercial ammo so I cant comment much on that. 7mm-08 is more readily available as a loaded round around here. Finding a rifle chambered in .260 Remington isn't difficult, you just gotta look around or have a barrel made, which isnt that expensive. Buy a savage short action and have a barrel made in .260 or .260 AI, piece of cake. is the 7mm -08 a good round ? whats its effective range ? also where can you find balastics for a 1000yds ,ive only see them go out to 500yds |
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BB... Nope, I said 10 ring (20")..... 10" would be mostly "X" ring...... They are impressive when you consider that two of my rifles were built BEFORE 1899.. (got new barrels in 1942). You could buy them for $99 a few years ago! Not your typical Russian 91-30..( though the receiver is). Yup; those Finnish Mosins are tack drivers alright. |
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what about like a 270 its flat shooting The .270 is flat shooting –– but it's not used in target/competitive shooting due to a lack of appropriate match bullets. I think Sierra only has a single offering in .277 diameter match bullets. If I had to chose between a .260 and a .308 I'd take the .260 for ballistics, but the .308 for availability. For 1000yd competition, the most popular cartridge is the 6.5-284 but that's a wildcat and handloading only proposition. Honestly, given that you state you'll likely shoot mostly 100yds and certainly not farther than 500yds, I'd go with a .223 with a Wylde chamber with a 1-7 or 1-8 twist barrel and 77gr bullets. If you handload then 80gr bullets ( you'll need to single load into the chamber as they're longer than mag length ). Cheaper to feed, easier on the shoulder. Not sure if any bolt guns are chambered with that reamer or in that twist, but easily found in ARs. |
| I was trained on the .308 in sniper school and it is very effective. However when I built my copy of the M-24 I chambered it in .300 Win Mag. This offers me a huge variety of rounds in .30 caliber as well and Armor Piercing and Incindiary rounds pulled from 30-06 rounds. I shoot a 240 grain Sierra that has a high B.C. and it pretty much cuts the .308's windage in half. The rifle is very accurate at 1200 meters and with practice will reach 1600 meters in you can see the target, mil the range correctly, and call the proper windage. The round is still supersonic at 1200 meters. |
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