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Posted: 2/25/2011 11:14:32 AM EDT
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Shame it's deactivated it's not a big thing to make it active, for us that live in states that allow ownership of destructive devices. do a ATF form 1 to register it as a destructive device, pay the 200 USD tax. then when the form comes back approved , weld up the hole in the side, take out the bar in the tube, that doesn't allow the rocket motor to be inserted, retread the firing pin hole for the firing pin, get a firing pin. I was thinking about doing that to my de-milled RPG-7, but then where the hell am I going to find rocket motors for them, and empty warheads? and where will I fire it? ranges won't allow it, and I don't live out in bumfuck, Iowa. it will just be a useless DD 
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Shame it's deactivated it's not a big thing to make it active, for us that live in states that allow ownership of destructive devices. do a ATF form 1 to register it as a destructive device, pay the 200 USD tax. then when the form comes back approved , weld up the hole in the side, take out the bar in the tube, that doesn't allow the rocket motor to be inserted, retread the firing pin hole for the firing pin, get a firing pin. I was thinking about doing that to my de-milled RPG-7, but then where the hell am I going to find rocket motors for them, and empty warheads? and where will I fire it? ranges won't allow it, and I don't live out in bumfuck, Iowa. it will just be a useless DD http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/3284RPG_7.jpg Wow that thing is awsome. I've wanted one of those for a long time now, how much did if set you back when you bought it? |
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Wow that thing is awsome. I've wanted one of those for a long time now, how much did if set you back when you bought it? I bought 2 demilled tubes for 200 bucks ea. back in Jun or Jul 2001. got all the parts, NOS from NORTHRIDGE. I sold one RPG-7 for 1,100 bucks a year or so later. so it cost me zero dollars, and I pocketed some bucks to boot 
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Shame it's deactivated it's not a big thing to make it active, for us that live in states that allow ownership of destructive devices. do a ATF form 1 to register it as a destructive device, pay the 200 USD tax. then when the form comes back approved , weld up the hole in the side, take out the bar in the tube, that doesn't allow the rocket motor to be inserted, retread the firing pin hole for the firing pin, get a firing pin. I was thinking about doing that to my de-milled RPG-7, but then where the hell am I going to find rocket motors for them, and empty warheads? and where will I fire it? ranges won't allow it, and I don't live out in bumfuck, Iowa. it will just be a useless DD http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/3284RPG_7.jpg I WANT!!! Could you start another thread here and post some more pics of that or even in this one? I would make it a DD, you can get the 7.62x39 sub caliber training kits for them. Also if u want to sell that one let me know...... Seriously. |
| The PG2 does not have a rocket, and uses a black powder launch charge. It's not very far removed from the panzerfaust that it emulates. I have considered making one, but because the RPG-2 is so simple, I would probably start with a brand new, high quality tube rather than weld up a real one. Having a new tube turned to spec would not be nearly as hard as trying to make an RPG-7. |
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How about inert RPG7 dummy rounds
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The PG2 does not have a rocket, and uses a black powder launch charge. It's not very far removed from the panzerfaust that it emulates. I have considered making one, but because the RPG-2 is so simple, I would probably start with a brand new, high quality tube rather than weld up a real one. Having a new tube turned to spec would not be nearly as hard as trying to make an RPG-7. What up Doug, where the hell you been hiding? Here I see  Do you still have your RPG-2? I have yet to pick one up from Numrich, mainly because the trigger group in incorrect, i'm pretty sure they used that big stock of bulgarian 7 groups that have been around for some time, hell I used one on my replica. Their price seems fair though even if the trigger group is wrong.
Home brew 
Bulgy RPG-7 check out the bipod 
I don't know if you follow the other forum but I finally picked up an inert PG-7 a couple of years ago. I still have the one I got from you, it's a nice stocking stuffer for the backpack. 
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autoweapons has a registered DD RPG7. It looks really nice and with the training rounds available kind of cool. They have had that thing for sale for years now. If I remember right like 5 years ago he wanted like 6k for it. IIRC, he has more than one. Only thing to shoot out of it is the 7.62x39 stuff using one of the training rockets. 
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Can I reactivate this? What paperwork would I need? Also can I just make a RPG7? The tube not the rocket? Yes you can reactivate the launcher, IIRC all you need is an ATF form, tax paid, and their approval. You can buy deactivated RPG-7 launchers, and they generally run from the mid 1000s to 2 grand. |
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So is this a good deal? I'd make it a DD so I can shoot subcal 7.62 tracers out of it. Maybe at some tannerite so it looks pretty cool.
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Quoted: So is this a good deal? I'd make it a DD so I can shoot subcal 7.62 tracers out of it. Maybe at some tannerite so it looks pretty cool. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=1289400&filter=rpg7 damn sardo, you wanna buy one of everything! |
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ya, i'm thinking about it right now. i have access to the internet right now and good cash flow so i can get some projects rolling. when i start my afghan det end of the summer i'll have the stuff sent out to builders or file the F1s and then have a pile of guns waiting for me when i get home. nice.
so anyone re-activate one of these? |
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So I bought a rpg 7 trainer rocket. Is the next step buying an rpg 7 and getting it reactivated via paperwork with the ATF? Can a DD have foreign parts? Do I need to have a new unit made from US parts (ie scratch)? there isn't any "reactivation" paper work, just file a Form 1 and wait for the ATF approval with stamp to come back. after it's back then you engrave your info onto it and make it work again. its an NFA item so it doesn't need to comply with 922r seeing as it's not a "sporting rifle". correct me if i'm wrong. |
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Here's what I was told on the Dewatted units.
They can be easily made to fire the training subcal rockets (7.62 x 39 tracer) by drilling out the cross bar and welding up the holes. However, this will not make them an effective DD. The strength of the tube has been compromised and will not stand up to the rockets. |
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so the demilling of these are just a bar welded in? anyone have some pics of what the inside looks like? i'm also not planning on shooting real rockets out of this anyway so...... The demilling process also has a large hole cut in the body of the tube to prevent rocket use. In rpgs, this can be covered by the heat shield. However welding the hole back up does not return the tube to safe/original condition. You can see a similiar hole on this bazooka. ETA so subcal 7.62 x 39 rockets are ok. Any other rocket not so much. |
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I had a big long reply, not sure what happened to it.
The RPG2 does not shoot a rocket. It is a 'projected grenade', launched by a black powder charge. It has no 'sustainer' motor (i.e. rocket), like a PG7. Most launchers of this type are de-milled by drilling a caliber sized hole (in this case, 40mm) through the tube, and welding a bar through to prevent rounds from being inserted. Since the black powder launch charge won't generate the extreme pressures that a conventional smokeless powder operated gun would, I think that with proper welds by a certified welder, and remotely fired test shots with double charge proof loads, a re-welded RPG-2 could be safely fired with 'live' spec projectiles. Maybe for extra points, have it X-rayed and dye penetrant tested for weld integrity. Someday, I will place mine next to my head and fire inert projectiles, after getting a DD stamp and all of the above. |
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I had a big long reply, not sure what happened to it. The RPG2 does not shoot a rocket. It is a 'projected grenade', launched by a black powder charge. It has no 'sustainer' motor (i.e. rocket), like a PG7. Most launchers of this type are de-milled by drilling a caliber sized hole (in this case, 40mm) through the tube, and welding a bar through to prevent rounds from being inserted. Since the black powder launch charge won't generate the extreme pressures that a conventional smokeless powder operated gun would, I think that with proper welds by a certified welder, and remotely fired test shots with double charge proof loads, a re-welded RPG-2 could be safely fired with 'live' spec projectiles. Maybe for extra points, have it X-rayed and dye penetrant tested for weld integrity. Someday, I will place mine next to my head and fire inert projectiles, after getting a DD stamp and all of the above. Honest question with no snarky intent: Wouldn't it be cheaper to find someone to mill a new tube and weld the old bits onto it? Because I want to do this too. |
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So is this a good deal? I'd make it a DD so I can shoot subcal 7.62 tracers out of it. Maybe at some tannerite so it looks pretty cool. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=1289400&filter=rpg7 I must have missed the group buy notice..... 
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you can get inert projectiles for these or are you planning on making them yourself? Inert rockets are available. However, they are hard to find. I spoke with an FFL 07 (not red jacket but I am sure we will see a game changer next season) and he said that it was possible to make knock off rockets. He had some success using modified estes homebrewed rockets. Red jacket did this with the bazooka reenactor episode. IIRC they made the war head out of soda bottles and chalk. I would only use the subcal unit in a re/demilled tube. I'd be worried about a catastrophic failure. I keep seeing the fail pictures Grog posted on his website and imagining that being my head. Explicit possibly NSFW pictures of an M203 failure. Scroll down 
red jacket video Inert replicas inert unit on gunbroker RPG 7 accessories Parts and surplus |
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The problem is, there isn't a very clearly defined threshold for 'inerted'. If you ask ATF how a PG7 projectile should be inerted, they'll send you a picture of a PG7 with a huge hole cut in the side (BIG hole, like 88mm), but there is no requirement by law for a hole anywhere... only that all the explodey stuff be taken out. While the illustrations the ATF gives out are well within the law, they will not divulge a minimum standard.
I had an RPG 7 launcher that had a bore-sized hole in the side, under the heat shield, and a pin across the bore to prevent the insertion of a rocket, but the blocking pin was aft of the firing pin by about two inches. It prevented the insertion of a complete 'round' (PG7 with launch motor), but you could insert a display rocket without motor, or a sub cal unit without the fake launch motor (and shoot it). Could it shoot a rocket? No way. Was it a legal demil? Seems to me like it would be, since it was not operable, nor readily restorable, nor could a functional round be inserted. There were some british two inch mortars on the market a few years back that had functioning triggers, but the firing pin filed down, and the obligatory hole in the side. I think they had a cross bar welded in, too. If you were making a clone, just for shooting sub-cals, I would use a functional trigger group and firing pin, weld a pin across the bore two inches behind the firing pin (preventing the complete insertion of a projectile with a launch motor), drill a bore sized hole under the heat sheild, and not register it as a DD. I have never seen a sub-cal for an RPG2, though, so you'll probably have to make that, as well. In the end, you'll have a title I firearm, which as we all know, is perfectly legal to make yourself (check your state and local laws). You could probably modify a PG7 sub cal to work in an RPG2, but I do not believe it would be plug and play. Also, the shape of the projectile is wrong, if you care about that. Just my opinion, FWIW. |
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RPG 7 training rocket
each one of those in considered a rifle in it's self so if i kept the RPG inert and use only those then there is no need to DD the launcher seeing as it can not fire the real rockets. |
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RPG 7 training rocket each one of those in considered a rifle in it's self so if i kept the RPG inert and use only those then there is no need to DD the launcher seeing as it can not fire the real rockets. In my case the FFL transferred that as a pistol. I think the oa barrel lengh was an issue. Since it was transferred as pistol, I don't know if adding the tube would be the equivalent of a stock to a pistol. I'll ask my FFL to post, he is well versed in NFA issues and may have a definitive answer. |
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I don't think those should have transferred as a pistol... I think there is an ambiguous 'other' type category that should go under. Even so, whats written on the 4473 doesn't change what it is.
The problem with estes or hobby type rockets is that they make thrust for several seconds... and will blast you in the face. On a real RPG 7, the launch motor kicks the projectile out of the tube, then the rocket ('sustainer' motor) kicks in a few meters down range, and it gets under way. If I were to attempt to use one, I would personally still use a launch charge to kick it out of the tube before the rocket fired. On the real deal, at no time does a rocket make thrust anywhere near your grill. An RPG 7 is much more complicated than a '2. For an RPG 2, as mentioned above, there is no rocket whatsoever. |
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I don't think those should have transferred as a pistol... I think there is an ambiguous 'other' type category that should go under. Even so, whats written on the 4473 doesn't change what it is. What Discworld shoulda' said is We (i'm the FFL) completed the transfer marking 'other' on the 4473, and completeing a PA state form SP4-113 (in PA this is the Form commonly refered to as the 'Pistol Form' , for any firearm with a barrel less than 16"). |
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RPG7's make a 'BOOM.......Psshhhhhhhhhhhhh' kinda noise... due to the unique launch motor/sustainer motor timing.
Roger on the 'other' GunBowanna. This thread has gotten me all ramped up about RPG-2's. I'm going to buy a couple of firing pin sets from Northridge. Next time I get a couple hundred bucks burning a hole in my poket, I'll send the ATF a packet. |
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The problem is, there isn't a very clearly defined threshold for 'inerted'. If you ask ATF how a PG7 projectile should be inerted, they'll send you a picture of a PG7 with a huge hole cut in the side (BIG hole, like 88mm), but there is no requirement by law for a hole anywhere... only that all the explodey stuff be taken out. While the illustrations the ATF gives out are well within the law, they will not divulge a minimum standard. I had an RPG 7 launcher that had a bore-sized hole in the side, under the heat shield, and a pin across the bore to prevent the insertion of a rocket, but the blocking pin was aft of the firing pin by about two inches. It prevented the insertion of a complete 'round' (PG7 with launch motor), but you could insert a display rocket without motor, or a sub cal unit without the fake launch motor (and shoot it). Could it shoot a rocket? No way. Was it a legal demil? Seems to me like it would be, since it was not operable, nor readily restorable, nor could a functional round be inserted. There were some british two inch mortars on the market a few years back that had functioning triggers, but the firing pin filed down, and the obligatory hole in the side. I think they had a cross bar welded in, too. If you were making a clone, just for shooting sub-cals, I would use a functional trigger group and firing pin, weld a pin across the bore two inches behind the firing pin (preventing the complete insertion of a projectile with a launch motor), drill a bore sized hole under the heat sheild, and not register it as a DD. I have never seen a sub-cal for an RPG2, though, so you'll probably have to make that, as well. In the end, you'll have a title I firearm, which as we all know, is perfectly legal to make yourself (check your state and local laws). You could probably modify a PG7 sub cal to work in an RPG2, but I do not believe it would be plug and play. Also, the shape of the projectile is wrong, if you care about that. Just my opinion, FWIW. Ask and you shall receive, I like discussions like these. Doug, you had a Russian sub cal rocket to before didn't you? I remember seeing pics on the AKforum. 
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