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Posted: 6/10/2002 12:42:15 PM EDT
On the flight home from Heathrow,England, I had the fortune of sitting next to one of the most foremost opponets to handgun possession in Massachusetts. We were talking, and suddenly she said to me, you've been shot, haven't you? Well in fact I have been on the receiving end of a high power rifle. She told me she was shot in the head and I could see she meant just to the rear of her eye orbit. I did not go into details but let her speak. One of the quotes she used was that over 400,000 people are shot in America in a day...I believe Vietnam stastistics show that 300,000 americans were wounded 150,000 bad enough for a hospital stay. So I'd love to know where she had been fed these figures. I started to suspect that she was being manipulated just like we were in Vietnam.
I asked her to try a 'thought experiment': she had a gun, she was on the second floor of her home with no phone available, and she was between her daughter and the bad guy. He was armed, and ready to kill. Whoud she protect her daughters life with deadly force ? Yes, she replied...amazing. I wish I had more time, but I realized she was doing this for herself in order to deal with the trauma of being shot in the head 22 years ago...and assholes here were using her for their own convoluted ends...Interesting......
Gib
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 2:50:16 PM EDT
400,000 people shot per day?
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 2:57:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gib187th:
On the flight home from Heathrow,England, I had the fortune of sitting next to one of the most foremost opponets to handgun possession in Massachusetts. We were talking, and suddenly she said to me, you've been shot, haven't you? Well in fact I have been on the receiving end of a high power rifle. She told me she was shot in the head and I could see she meant just to the rear of her eye orbit. I did not go into details but let her speak. One of the quotes she used was that over 400,000 people are shot in America in a day...I believe Vietnam stastistics show that 300,000 americans were wounded 150,000 bad enough for a hospital stay. So I'd love to know where she had been fed these figures. I started to suspect that she was being manipulated just like we were in Vietnam.
I asked her to try a 'thought experiment': she had a gun, she was on the second floor of her home with no phone available, and she was between her daughter and the bad guy. He was armed, and ready to kill. Whoud she protect her daughters life with deadly force ? Yes, she replied...amazing. I wish I had more time, but I realized she was doing this for herself in order to deal with the trauma of being shot in the head 22 years ago...and assholes here were using her for their own convoluted ends...Interesting......
Gib



Please tell me that it wasn't Jacques, Wilkerson or Creem you were talking to?
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 2:59:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
400,000 people shot per day?



Of that number, amazingly only 250,000 are infants. It seems they are playing with guns more these days also.
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 3:01:43 PM EDT
I don't suppose it would be proper to reveal a name.
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 3:13:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
400,000 people shot per day?



Estimated 2001 US population: 284,796,887 / 400,000 = Everyone of us posting here can expect to be shot sometime within the next 712 days... Remember, we've been warned!
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 3:13:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2002 3:59:25 PM EDT by JIMBEAM]
I don't think 400,000 people were shot during the worst day of WWI, WWII or the Civil War.
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 4:06:35 PM EDT
It's a typical tactic of the other side, just out right lie until it becomes truth.


Comparison of Risk

Accidental Deaths in the United States 1994 -1998

Sources: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Bureau of Labor Statistics; Injury Facts, 1999, National Safety Council: Bureau of Transportation Statistics, Federal Railroad Administration; and Federal Aviation Adminstration.


Type 5Year Average General Population Risk Based on
Risk per Year Exposure or


Motor Vehicle 41,616 1 in 6,300 1.7 deaths per 100million miles

Large Trucks 5,195 1 in 51,000 2.8 deaths per 100million miles

Motorcycles 2,222 1 in 119,000 22 deaths per 100million miles

Poisoning 9,392 1 in 28,000

Work Related 6,275 1 in 42,000 4.9 deaths per 100,000 workers

Firss 3,835 1 in 69,000

Drowning 3,711 1 in 71,000

Firearms 1,135 1 in 223,000

Railway 1,096 1 in 242,000 1.6 deaths per million trains

Bicycles 795 1 in 333,000

Boating 792 1 in 335,000 6.6 deaths per 100,000 boats

Electricity 534 1 in 496,000

Aircraft 169 1 in 1,568,000 0.7 deaths per 100 million

Boating 792 1 in 335,000

Flood 108 1 in 2,477,000

Tornado 63 1 in 4,206,000

Lightning 62 1 in 4,288,000

Hazmat Trans 42 1 in 6,311,000
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 4:11:47 PM EDT

400,000 in a day! that's like almost 1.5 out of every 100 people are shot each day! who's kidding who?

Stepped-init
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 4:19:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bybon:
I don't suppose it would be proper to reveal a name.


Can't reveal her name cuz I don't know her name. It wasn't CJ though...It became obvious to me that she was being used. I told her to be careful about that. I was suprised that she was very open and sincere. Suspect the people pulling the strings are less so 'open', and not so sincere.
Gib
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 6:02:09 PM EDT
Sodie please don't confuse the issue with facts. LOL
Link Posted: 6/10/2002 9:44:09 PM EDT
Don't forget that all 400,000 are shot with the evil "11th" round of a preban mag.
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 8:05:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JasonF:

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
400,000 people shot per day?



Estimated 2001 US population: 284,796,887 / 400,000 = Everyone of us posting here can expect to be shot sometime within the next 712 days... Remember, we've been warned!




Jeez!! Thant means that my granparents have over 80 bullet wounds between them. And I have around 15 in me. ANd here I thought it was the paint chips I ate as a kid that gave me the lead poisoning.

Link Posted: 6/11/2002 8:08:42 AM EDT
Nice one Angel, har har har!
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 8:16:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 8:28:14 AM EDT
Ah yes, another ignorant one.
Probably a voter.
Probably a breeder too. Wonder what she teaches her kids?
A liberal for sure.
Sure hope she isn't a school teacher.
Link Posted: 6/12/2002 12:43:00 PM EDT
They *used* Jim Brady the same way. Even his wife used him. Poor guy. Shot in the head and then treated like a "poster turnip".
Link Posted: 6/12/2002 6:25:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dc306:
Don't forget that all 400,000 are shot with the evil "11th" round of a preban mag.




You are WRONG there! They are killed with the 6 point collapsable stock..mmm or maybe it was the flash hider that got them...LOL
Link Posted: 6/12/2002 7:43:58 PM EDT
Quite frankly, 400,000 people shot a day is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
Link Posted: 6/12/2002 9:25:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
They *used* Jim Brady the same way. Even his wife used him. Poor guy. Shot in the head and then treated like a "poster turnip".



if that were me i would have wished that bullet shattered my brain stem
Link Posted: 6/12/2002 9:43:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2002 9:46:49 PM EDT by mattsd]
just so you guys know, based on those stats, and a projection based on the 2000 US censes, all of you who live in america, should expect being shot at least once every 2 years, since you have a 57.1% chance of getting shot every year. if you live to 70, you will have sufferd 40 gun shot wounds. it would probly be safe to say on avrage one out of ten GSWs would be fatal, so most of us wouldnt make it past 20. in 19.7 years the entire us population of 287 million would be dead, if you dont account for immagration. if we dont ban guns now, come 2021 we will have no one left. to compensate for our self destruction guided by the vast right wing conspiricy we should open the borders and give all aliens full welfare and unemplayment benifits. while were at it, we better make sure they have jobs , so affirmitive action for all.


man i deserve a libral award
Link Posted: 6/12/2002 10:00:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2002 10:00:58 PM EDT by cnatra]

Originally Posted By Sodie:
It's a typical tactic of the other side, just out right lie until it becomes truth.


Comparison of Risk

Accidental Deaths in the United States 1994 -1998

Sources: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Bureau of Labor Statistics; Injury Facts, 1999, National Safety Council: Bureau of Transportation Statistics, Federal Railroad Administration; and Federal Aviation Adminstration.


Type 5Year Average General Population Risk Based on
Risk per Year Exposure or


Motor Vehicle 41,616 1 in 6,300 1.7 deaths per 100million miles

Large Trucks 5,195 1 in 51,000 2.8 deaths per 100million miles

Motorcycles 2,222 1 in 119,000 22 deaths per 100million miles

Poisoning 9,392 1 in 28,000

Work Related 6,275 1 in 42,000 4.9 deaths per 100,000 workers

Firss 3,835 1 in 69,000

Drowning 3,711 1 in 71,000

Firearms 1,135 1 in 223,000



Do you know if the firearms stats exclude suicide?
Only homicide or accidental shootings?

That's on thing that pisses my off, take 30-40k firearms deaths every year BUT on average half of those are suicides!
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 3:22:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cnatra:

Do you know if the firearms stats exclude suicide? Only homicide or accidental shootings?

That's on thing that pisses my off, take 30-40k firearms deaths every year BUT on average half of those are suicides!



Actually, IIRC, it's more than half. The other thing that burns my ass is when the gun-grabbing baboons include 18-24 year olds (gang-bangers) when quoting their "kids killed" by handguns stats.
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