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Posted: 5/20/2005 2:11:54 PM EDT
What weapon system has the best combination of price, stopping power, reliability, accuracy and controllability. I know you guys ar going to say the AR15 but my opinion is a G3.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 2:12:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 2:26:48 PM EDT by HardShell]
AR-15, of course.

(Why else would we be here? )


IBTP!
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 2:19:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 2:20:51 PM EDT by Accidental_discharge]
No stopping power dude get an AR10. hey ps I like your signature
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 2:27:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Accidental_discharge:
No stopping power dude get an AR10. hey ps I like your signature



Ah, you are perhaps assuming all of my ARs are 5.56mm, eh?

Link Posted: 5/20/2005 2:34:28 PM EDT
If there bigger than 5.56 you have quite a gun. What are they in , I'm wondering?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 2:35:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 2:42:57 PM EDT by Matt_B]

Originally Posted By Accidental_discharge:
No stopping power dude get an AR10. hey ps I like your signature

A big bullet is not necessary a better bullet. There's more to "stopping power" than the caliber.

What you do base your opinion on?

Edited to add: Does your mother know you're on the Internet?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 2:47:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 2:51:39 PM EDT by Accidental_discharge]
The real life effictiveness And yes I told my mother I was going to be on the internet for ar15.com and related websites.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 3:02:14 PM EDT
Ergos, modularity, innovation and availability of parts, reliability, ease of parts replacement, accuracy, and weight all go to the AR.

A change to the 6.8 might be the ticket to resolve any question of stopping power. But I believe the 5.56 is up to the task of 200 and under yard engagements--more than that, a scoped .308 is optimal anyway.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 3:28:34 PM EDT
I thought this was asking for the best weapons system ever.

It sure as hell isn't between some pathetic rifles.

THIS is the best weapons system ever devised. As of today, there is no defense against it.



Link Posted: 5/20/2005 4:07:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Accidental_discharge:
The real life effictiveness

So you have "real life" experience then? You've read AARs and/or a book or two on ballisitics? Just because it "R0Xx0rzZ!!!!!11" in "CounterStrike" does not mean it is that way in the "real world".


And yes I told my mother I was going to be on the internet for ar15.com and related websites.
LOL! Too funny. I was just guessing.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 4:39:01 PM EDT
I voted G3 .

I've never had a G3 jam on me.Now matter how abused or in
what conditions.

.308 tends to take down Whitetail Deer just a we bit better
than .223 IMHO .
Chances are ,in survival situations I'm more likely to have to take
down a deer than a human ,because where I'll be there won't be many people !

My experiences with the M-16A2 in the US Army were not good.
Looking back ,most problems were caused by poor magazines and
possibly really old surplus ammo .Still ,old lessons die hard.

This is AR-15,com -so ARs will probably win this vote.

If full auto was available to me ,I would have chosen the AK ,but limited to
semi-auto only ,I want a full power cartridge.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 4:44:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 5:35:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 5:39:23 PM EDT by Accidental_discharge]
I veiw films that show people getting shot and observe how long it takes to totaly incapacitate them. Yes I have 5 years till I am 18. By the way, who thinks I am a royal pain in the but?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 5:42:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 5:56:22 PM EDT
FAL or M16
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 6:17:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Accidental_discharge:
Yes I have 5 years till I am 18. By the way, who thinks I am a royal pain in the butt?

Fixed it for ya. I don't think you're a royal pain in the butt. You're a kid. Some kids are OK. Some are punks. Which are you?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 7:38:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 7:39:59 PM EDT by juslearnin]

I thought this was asking for the best weapons system ever.

It sure as hell isn't between some pathetic rifles.

THIS is the best weapons system ever devised. As of today, there is no defense against it.

Ok, I'll bite, elaborate, and enlighten me, what am I looking at?
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 7:49:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 7:49:26 PM EDT
M14 ;)
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 8:03:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 8:05:23 PM EDT by Tripwire]

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Mini-14, by FAR.







I would have to say its a toss up between the M16 and the FAL.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 8:39:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Accidental_discharge:
I veiw films that show people getting shot and observe how long it takes to totaly incapacitate them. Yes I have 5 years till I am 18. By the way, who thinks I am a royal pain in the but?



Holy shit.

That's the kind of thing you keep to yourself.

I'm 19 and I don't get any respect around here, a 13 year old doesn't have a chance

WIZZO

Oh yeah, AR all the way. AK's are great, M14's are nice too, but it's hard to argue with the flexibility of the AR platform.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 8:45:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 9:26:44 PM EDT by M4]

Originally Posted By Accidental_discharge:<<<<<<
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Your screen name reminds me of this time, when I was a freshman in high school....and I finally hooked up with this little hottie I had my eye on all year long.

Well, when she and I started going at it, in the back row of a dark movie theater, and before I got my pants unzipped....well....



P.S.- I can only guess what avitar you'd pick if you were a team member.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 8:47:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:12:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Accidental_discharge:
What weapon system has the best combination of price, stopping power, reliability, accuracy and controllability. I know you guys ar going to say the AR15 but my opinion is a G3.




I'd have to vote for an airsoft P90, that's so sweet and those plastic bb's really can make a bruise.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 2:20:46 AM EDT
STONER 63

You said system. The Stoner is the only system. Otherwise M14.
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 4:01:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By Accidental_discharge:
I veiw films that show people getting shot and observe how long it takes to totaly incapacitate them. Yes I have 5 years till I am 18. By the way, who thinks I am a royal pain in the but?



Hi FOX-





Link Posted: 5/21/2005 4:04:14 AM EDT

Stoner System

Link Posted: 5/21/2005 5:53:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2005 5:56:40 AM EDT by desertmoon]
The Stoner 63A weapons system made by Cadillac Gage in Warren Michigan. It, as far as I know, is the only fully intergrated weapon "system" ever devised or fielded in the terms of "small arms". While not perfect or without issues, it was very successfully fielded by navy SEAL Teams in the Vietnam conflict. Unlike most corporations, Cadillac Gage was VERY keen on updating the system whenver the general consenuses of field operators deemed it necessary. the Stoner went through a large number of imrovements, fixes and changes based on SEAL Team input. Sadly, the United States Army and Marine Corps. didn't see the potential of such a system and it eventually faded away into legend.

Robinson Armament based the M96 rifle on the Stoner 63 but they abondoned the proper operating rod carrier setup for a very complex ( though effective ) setup that did not improve upon the Stoner design at ALL. So, despite the fact that RA improved upon the Stoner 63 bolt carrier they took two steps back when creating the op-rod carrier interface. Not to mention, RA has done NOTHING with the M96 to make it anywhere near as interesting or multipurposeful as the Stoner 63. A fine gun....but there is nothing about it that makes it any better than an AR-15 if you balance everything out.

Back to the Stoner:

a Stoner 63 could be reconfigured into the following weapons by simply stripping the gun down to it's main chassis and adding the correct components:

1.Standard Closed Bolt Assault Rifle ( select fire )
2.Same as above: Carbine

Both versions of the rifle concept used a very nifty full profile folding stcok that folded to the side ala the AR-18.

3.Open Bolt Top Magazine Fed Light magaine gun.
Think 5.56mm Bren Gun.

4. Open bolt belt fed LMG, standard length standard left side feed.
5. Same as above with Right hand feed.

6. & 7. Same as above with Carbine length barrel.

8. & 9. Same as above with short Commando length barrel

10. Solenoid triggered, mounted light machine gun with feed chute and large box magazine.

11. though not manufactured this system could, with the additon of match trigger, target barrel, cheek piece and optics/mount could have further been developed as what we now call a DMR.

All of that with a common chassis, ambidexterous operation of both the safety and the chargin handle............................imagine the logistical simplicity.....no wonder the military dropped it.


Oh, I forgot: #12. Tripod mounted LMG.

Link Posted: 5/21/2005 10:00:34 AM EDT
Accidental,

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almost there..........................

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­AIRSOFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 4:30:49 PM EDT
.50 cal. M2 HB
Link Posted: 5/21/2005 7:22:06 PM EDT
FAL
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 3:51:22 PM EDT
You guys make it mandatory to have thick skin, I voted for the G3 and SKS.
Link Posted: 5/23/2005 6:00:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2005 9:50:48 AM EDT by HardShell]

Originally Posted By Accidental_discharge:
If there bigger than 5.56 you have quite a gun. What are they in , I'm wondering?



With all due respect, this question exhibits your lack of knowledge/experience with the AR platform. One of its great appeals is how modular/versatile it is, allowing for practically limitless configurations & applications.

ARs are available or can be built in dozens of different calibers/chamberings. I personally own ARs chambered in 5.56mm NATO (of course), .22LR, 7.62x39mm, .21 Genhis (5.45x39mm), 9mm Parabellum, and 6.8 SPC and have owned ones in the past in .300 Whisper and .17 Remington.

There are sections/threads galore here re: the "oddball" AR chamberings, including (since you keyed in on "stopping power") such brutes as the .458 SOCOM, .499 L/W, and .50 Beowulf.

Happy reading!
Link Posted: 5/23/2005 8:10:00 AM EDT
i just want my M14
Link Posted: 5/23/2005 1:00:52 PM EDT
The LGM-118...

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