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Posted: 10/14/2009 4:37:58 AM EDT
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A local gun shop is selling a V93 for 800.00
I don't know much about Vector. Are they basically the same as Century or are they better quality? Is that a good price for a .223 V93? |
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A local gun shop is selling a V93 for 800.00 I don't know much about Vector. Are they basically the same as Century or are they better quality? Is that a good price for a .223 V93? They are somewhat more predictable than Century. The problem with Century is that you never really know what exactly you are going to get. They've made some very nice rifles and they've made some crappy rifles. My FAL had to be sent back to get the feed ramp modified, but it ran fine after that. But it's a very nice rifle now and looks good. My C93 seems to be a pretty good rifle too, with the only problem being that they didn't weld up the holes at the front of the rail slots. You just never know. Oh, and that's a very good price for a Vector. |
| Just ran to the store to see if he still had it. I casually asked him about it. He said it's a Century 93 made for Vector. Huh? He insisted it was a Vector but if its made by Century wouldn't that make it a Century. And the price is 899.99, not 809.99 like I originally thought. I thought Vector 93's sold for 1,200 or so. The price kinda makes me think it is a Century. |
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We offer the factory built V93 rifles for $1229 pls ship and have a few in stock
www.atlanticfirearms.com |
This is a Vector V93-  Vector V93's are marked on the right hand of the magwell Vector Arms North Salt Lake, UT V-93 Cal 223 If they are marked anything other than that, they aren't a Vector V-93. My V93 is awesome. It's accurate, light recoiling, and fun to shoot. It's been dead reliable both as a semi rifle in competition and as a sear host. You won't regret purchasing one. |
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You can get a Century C93 from AIM for $599.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Century_C93_Sporter_5.56_.223_Rifle.html |
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It's funny cause this guy has a Smith & Wesson MP 22 for 449.99, which is considered a very good price for them. I also brought a box of small pistol primers while I was there for 35.00 which is the going rate for them in this area. So Im surprised he's jacking that rifle up so much. If the going rate for Vectors is 1250.00 or so, there's no way he's selling one for 899.99
I'm assuming if it is I should grab it right? The model 93's, be it Vector or Century will take the small HK forearm right? |
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Quoted: It's funny cause this guy has a Smith & Wesson MP 22 for 449.99, which is considered a very good price for them. I also brought a box of small pistol primers while I was there for 35.00 which is the going rate for them in this area. So Im surprised he's jacking that rifle up so much. If the going rate for Vectors is 1250.00 or so, there's no way he's selling one for 899.99 I'm assuming if it is I should grab it right? The model 93's, be it Vector or Century will take the small HK forearm right? They'll take the slim HK33/93 forearm, but those are somewhat rare and pricey. Typically the Vectors and Century guns ship with the HK33 wide forearm that allows bipod attachment. The 93/33 and G3/91 forearms are *not* interchangeable. |
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Reviews on the early C93's were generally positive. For the most part, they are reported to function fairly well and be reasonably accurate. Among the "issues" that have been reported are: Difficult to remove the buttstock Difficult to reinstall the buttstock Sights frozen Won't run Wolf finish issues Ugly furniture paint Bad bolt gap Extraction/ejection issues Out of spec receiver doesn't take HK accessories or allow collapsible buttstock to collapse These are the issues I've seen so far on several forums. But for the most part, folks are happy with their guns. I'll also assume most of the issues on these seen so far are not "Fatal" to the gun, and can be fixed by any decent 'smith who works on HK's. They aren't nearly as nice as HK or Vector rifles, but they are inexpensive. You may have to tweak a bit, but again, most reviewers have been pleased. Mags are expensive (40 rd -$45, 30 rd-$65, 5 rd -$90), neato accessories are few, but the 93/33 platform is fun to shoot, accurate, and reliable. If I didn't already own a Vector V93, I'd buy a Century C93 at $599. |
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Thanks Pitbull  If you get one (from AIM or other), be sure to check the bolt gap. According to more and more posts on HKPro, Century C93's are showing up with bolt gaps that are out of spec or just barely in spec (and will change after firing). Thats correct. Once the rifle has been fired around 100 rounds, the barrel has seated and bolt gap has been reported to shink from.002" to .004". I ordered +4 rollers to bring my gap to .014" and that put it in the ideal range. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Any "ground bolt" issues? I couldn't go through that nightmare again. None so far. Then again, Century isn't building these, so that is probably why. Then again, reports of low bolt gap are on the rise. Quite a few are sending theirs back for repair, and sadly, Century's cure is oversize rollers. This somewhat "fixes" the issue, but when you have 5K rounds downrange and need to increase your bolt gap, the +4 roller option is gone, as it was used to correct a bolt gap issue from the factory. You lose your "depot" level fix for bolt gap if Century fixes it this way....but it's better than grinding the bolt I guess  |
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Some Vectors had issues with the exterior being finished nicely while the interior had rust spots. The other thing was the shelf height being slightly lower than factory specs. The issues were easily corrected by thorough cleaning and a good coat of oil in the interior. The shelf height issue could be resolved by clipping/pinning another lower and make it fit slightly higher.
I would not buy a Century gun. I made that mistake years ago. I would either buy a .223 receiver or flat and make it myself. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any "ground bolt" issues? I couldn't go through that nightmare again. None so far. Then again, Century isn't building these, so that is probably why. Does anyone know who is building these for Century? Allied Armament is building some. I don't know whom the other "contractors" are. |
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Quoted: This local guy swears Vector is building them for Century. Not what I've heard. Allied Armament is building them for sure. I've not heard word one on any board, including HKPro that Vector is building these for Century. Why would Vector build these for Century and undercut their own price by $500??? |
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This local guy swears Vector is building them for Century. Not what I've heard. Allied Armament is building them for sure. I've not heard word one on any board, including HKPro that Vector is building these for Century. Why would Vector build these for Century and undercut their own price by $500??? Just so were clear -I agree with you.
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Why would Vector build these for Century and undercut their own price by $500??? Good question... but as we all know.. Century on the side of the receiver knocks at least 499$ off the actual value of any rifle.
I finger banged a couple of them at AIM a few days ago... they look/felt pretty good overall. Didn't get a chance to shoot one though. And dang laws in Ohio say "NO" to 31+ cap mags so they won't sell me one anyhow. I even offered to let em keep the 40 rounder it comes with. 
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Quoted: I saw on the Hkpro site that some say that the parkerized built (whoever made it for century) is the better between the black made one. Anyone else know if this holds true? Opinions? Parkerized versions are being built for Century by Allied Armament. The parked rifles are purported to be the "better" built C93's. However, interestingly, Allied Armament has made some telling statements about these on FAL Files regarding bolt gap and how these rifles are built. According to Allied, the bolt gap "issues" are due to Century's specification for their builders that the bolt gap be no larger than .013. Upon firing, these rifles typically lose up to .005 as they "settle". Allied said that they tried to get Century to accept bolt gaps up to .020, but Century has declined. Quote:
"fix" the bolt gap with + sized rollers, but you shouldn't have to on a "new" rifle. After initial firing, even as low as 150 rds, the bolt gap will shift and settle in. If you're at .10, and it settles to .06, as is possible within 500 rds, you've got a rifle approaching the "depot level" of repairs for bolt gap correction. Typically, one would install oversized rollers to "fix" the bolt gap. If you "fix" the bolt gap by putting in oversized rollers, that's the only fix you have. After a couple years of firing, when your bolt gap has collapsed again, you don't have the ability/option to install oversized rollers as a fix, since you had to install them early in the rifle's life to "fix" a bolt gap issue. Any further collapse of bolt gap has to be addressed by removing and reinstalling the barrel to set a new bolt gap. That said, quite a few folks are happy with their rifles, and for the price are willing to accept it's flaws and it's shortened service life. They do seem to be good shooters from the reports I've seen. |
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