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Posted: 1/9/2025 1:59:59 AM EDT
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Requirements- side folding suppressible 7-10” 300 blackout. JAKL is far down my list, and until the BRN-180 gen 3 price came out, that was my top contender since I grabbed a gen 1 BRN-180 lower last summer. I’m still debating it, but want to see what else I can get. SPEAR/Rattler uppers are on the radar as well, but stand-alone weapons are also on the table now. What else should I be looking at? |
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Quoted: Requirements- side folding suppressible 7-10" 300 blackout. JAKL is far down my list, and until the BRN-180 gen 3 price came out, that was my top contender since I grabbed a gen 1 BRN-180 lower last summer. I'm still debating it, but want to see what else I can get. SPEAR/Rattler uppers are on the radar as well, but stand-alone weapons are also on the table now. What else should I be looking at? What's wrong with a JAKL? https://liveqordie.com/mini-fix-pistol/  |
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Attached File Other than be a tad heavy, the Jakl seriously fucks OP. I love mine and it eats everything I throw at it. For the price, I think it's pretty hard to beat. I would love a Rattler LT but for now the Jakl does just fine. |
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Not exactly inexpensive and 1/2” short: CMMG Dissent .300 BO 6.5” Or a 1/2” too long: CMMG Dissent .300 BO 10.5” |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/90543/IMG_1670_jpeg-3429330.JPG Other than be a tad heavy, the Jakl seriously fucks OP. I love mine and it eats everything I throw at it. For the price, I think it's pretty hard to beat. I would love a Rattler LT but for now the Jakl does just fine. Because I either want an upper that’s compatible with my existing SBR’d BRN-180 lower or a standalone weapon. I had forget about CMMG’s Dissent, that upper would work too, and I prefer that charging handle |
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Quoted: Because I either want an upper that’s compatible with my existing SBR’d BRN-180 lower or a standalone weapon. I had forget about CMMG’s Dissent, that upper would work too, and I prefer that charging handle Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/90543/IMG_1670_jpeg-3429330.JPG Other than be a tad heavy, the Jakl seriously fucks OP. I love mine and it eats everything I throw at it. For the price, I think it's pretty hard to beat. I would love a Rattler LT but for now the Jakl does just fine. Because I either want an upper that’s compatible with my existing SBR’d BRN-180 lower or a standalone weapon. I had forget about CMMG’s Dissent, that upper would work too, and I prefer that charging handle May need a different bumper setup for the different bufferless systems, be sure you read up on that first. The CMMG is solid, and light, friend has the 6.5 with an Alaskan. Like my Jakl, but as stated it is pretty hefty for the size. Attached File |
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I personally find the rattler to be the best overall execution of the short 300blk pdw concept. But i prefer the original 5" version for maximum compactness. It's really the top dog at the very short end of the spectrum. Attached File Once you start talking about 6.5 - 10" guns, there are other contenders. From what I've seen the jakl is an experimental offering from PSA as one of their first rifle platforms designed from the ground up and it has had teething issues and it still has some idiosyncrasies (can't pull or change the barrels, not sure if the charging handle issue of breaking with heavy use has been resolved yet) and it's heavy. Not just a little bit heavy. It's a fair bit heavier than much of the competition. It's bulky as well and the way the receiver is built up over the ar lower receiver just feels... minor league... to me. Unrefined. I don't know, the whole thing feels like it's the first iteration of a value gun company's foray into the propri tary boutique piston platform. I really like the look of the new gen3 brn180 if a 9" 300blk is what you're looking for, and a sig mcx isn't what you want. Hopefully the street price ends up being better than the announced msrp though. The cmmg dissent has a lot of things going for it design wise. It's a more refined product than the jakl but it's also twice the price. |
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B&T Apc300 SD would be on my shortlist if I was starting over in 300 Blk. https://bt-usa.com/products/apc300-sd/ |
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Quoted: I dig my XCR. Mine is a 9.5" but you can go down to 7.5" if you get the mini receiver. I bought mine as a 5.56 but when .300 black out conversion kit came up for sale here I jumped on it and have been happy. |
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Quoted: I dig my XCR. Mine is a 9.5” but you can go down to 7.5” if you get the mini receiver. I bought mine as a 5.56 but when .300 black out conversion kit came up for sale here I jumped on it and have been happy. Another vote for the XCR. It's the king of non-AR rifles. |
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PSA offers a 300blk Krinkov https://palmettostatearmory.com/soviet-arms-300-blk-krink-sbr-ready-pistol-plum-gloss.html |
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Quoted: Requirements- side folding suppressible 7-10” 300 blackout. JAKL is far down my list, and until the BRN-180 gen 3 price came out, that was my top contender since I grabbed a gen 1 BRN-180 lower last summer. I’m still debating it, but want to see what else I can get. SPEAR/Rattler uppers are on the radar as well, but stand-alone weapons are also on the table now. What else should I be looking at? I would bite the bullet and get the BRN 180 Gen 3 but other options are: 1. Robinson Arms XCR 2. PSA Krink (Mine has been amazing. The only one that doesn't need an adjustable gas block) 3. Perun X16 another really cool option. 4. ZF 300 (I would stay away) 5. PSA Jakl 6. B&T APC 300 7. SCAR 8. POF 415 9. PWS MK 109 mod 2 10. Sig Rattler 11. Black Rifle Arms Piston AR 12. SWORD SPC-E 13. Bren 2 Converted by Mos-tek 15. Tommy Built TG36 in .300 blk (out of production will do custom conversation) 16. Masterpiece Arms MPAR .300 (out of production) 17. Faxon ARAK (300 blk barrels out of production? 18. Jaxx Industries .300 blk Micro Galil 19. BRN 180 Gen 2 20. BRN 180 Gen 3 21. RRA LAR PDS (out of production, very small run of .300 blk guns) 22. HK 53 (built from kit using RCM barrel, custom HK builder required 23. Swiss Sig ST55P 24. PWS UXR 25. IWI TAVOR X95 26. LWRV A5 piston AR Some AR adjacent DI options. 1. CMMG Dissent 2. DRD MFP 3. Foxtrot Mike FM15 Specialty AR 1. Honey Badger 2. Sugar Weasel 3. Noveski Ghetto Blaster 4. Maxim PDX Coming Soon 1. VZ58 2. Bren 3 3. Akdas SAM |
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Well so does my 9” bolt action, but obviously I’m talking semi auto here. Attached File |
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Quoted: I have experience with half of my list. My top 5 in order. 1. Sig MCC rattler 2. Perun X16 (this is really a 1b) 3. XCR (twist rate hurts it) 4. B&T APC 300 5. BRN 180 Gen 3. (could be #1 when proven reliable) * Current 5 CMMG Dissent |
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Here are my initial observations. -The fit and finish are really good the same as the Perun and almost as good as the B&T -Size. The handguard is slim for a piston gun. -Weight and Balance are better than any other piston gun I have in .300 blk. -The charging handle placement is where I like it. -4 position gas block is just right. (I have 200 rounds half sub half super) So far so good. -Recoil impulse is very good. Tied with the Perun. It's really a new design not a Gen 3. |
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Quoted: Here are my initial observations. -The fit and finish are really good the same as the Perun and almost as good as the B&T -Size. The handguard is slim for a piston gun. -Weight and Balance are better than any other piston gun I have in .300 blk. -The charging handle placement is where I like it. -4 position gas block is just right. (I have 200 rounds half sub half super) So far so good. -Recoil impulse is very good. Tied with the Perun. It's really a new design not a Gen 3. I really was excited for the gen 3 to come out, but jumping from $800 to $1200 and zero coupon codes work for the gen 3, I’m a bit miffed with how this has rolled out. You’d think they would let coupons work to get more in peoples hands this early and get more real world reports on the line. I would prefer a forward charging handle, but at least it is on the left side. |
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Quoted: I really was excited for the gen 3 to come out, but jumping from $800 to $1200 and zero coupon codes work for the gen 3, I’m a bit miffed with how this has rolled out. You’d think they would let coupons work to get more in peoples hands this early and get more real world reports on the line. I would prefer a forward charging handle, but at least it is on the left side. Quoted: Quoted: Here are my initial observations. -The fit and finish are really good the same as the Perun and almost as good as the B&T -Size. The handguard is slim for a piston gun. -Weight and Balance are better than any other piston gun I have in .300 blk. -The charging handle placement is where I like it. -4 position gas block is just right. (I have 200 rounds half sub half super) So far so good. -Recoil impulse is very good. Tied with the Perun. It's really a new design not a Gen 3. I really was excited for the gen 3 to come out, but jumping from $800 to $1200 and zero coupon codes work for the gen 3, I’m a bit miffed with how this has rolled out. You’d think they would let coupons work to get more in peoples hands this early and get more real world reports on the line. I would prefer a forward charging handle, but at least it is on the left side. I can understand where your coming from. If PWS had of released this as an upper or complete gun unattached from Brownells Gen 2 I think that sentiment wouldn't be so prevalent. When you compare it to other piston uppers with similar feature sets it is priced in the middle of that group. My early impressions are that it is the best option in its segment. These will probably settle around $1050-$1100 when coupons and sales show up. The Jakl after you take apart and reassemble with loctite is really the only one less expensive and it's significantly heavier and chunkier. It is also 50/50 on cycling some subs without a can on. If your budget is under $2000 this or the Perun X16 are the options I would consider with the Dissent a possible option if you'd okay with DI and the twist rate. |
Personally, I'm waiting for the new .300 BLK Bren III. But, given how aggravatingly difficult and slow importing firearms into the U.S. can be, plus the fact I imagine CZ likely has numerous mil/gov contracts lined up for the new Brens that take priority over civilian production, I'm suspecting it will be a while until they become available here unfortunately. 
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Quoted: I personally find the rattler to be the best overall execution of the short 300blk pdw concept. But i prefer the original 5" version for maximum compactness. It's really the top dog at the very short end of the spectrum. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/435611/20220822_225159_jpg-3429451.JPG Once you start talking about 6.5 - 10" guns, there are other contenders. From what I've seen the jakl is an experimental offering from PSA as one of their first rifle platforms designed from the ground up and it has had teething issues and it still has some idiosyncrasies (can't pull or change the barrels, not sure if the charging handle issue of breaking with heavy use has been resolved yet) and it's heavy. Not just a little bit heavy. It's a fair bit heavier than much of the competition. It's bulky as well and the way the receiver is built up over the ar lower receiver just feels... minor league... to me. Unrefined. I don't know, the whole thing feels like it's the first iteration of a value gun company's foray into the propri tary boutique piston platform. I really like the look of the new gen3 brn180 if a 9" 300blk is what you're looking for, and a sig mcx isn't what you want. Hopefully the street price ends up being better than the announced msrp though. The cmmg dissent has a lot of things going for it design wise. It's a more refined product than the jakl but it's also twice the price. The Jakl has been around for a few years at this point with a large amount of units sold for a civilian only platform. I would say at this point all the bugs have been worked out of the design and if someone is willingly to take the time to go over there Jakl with some loctite and a torque wrench they should be good to go. I have three Jakl's two with pretty decent round counts. I have an initial release Jakl and it has never given me problems. PSA has sent me all the updates parts without actually having an issue. They have replaced the following: 1. Charging Handle and Sled 2. Gas Block and regulator 3. Entire BCG with Bolt (method for roll pining the piston/op rod has changed) 4. New bolt release. All of that was replaced by me but they offered to do the work if I sent the gun in. My other two are a 13.7 pin and weld 5.56 (shorter rail version) purchased about a year ago and a .300 blk pistol purchased about a two months ago. Both of these have all the updates and have been good to go after checking them over for QC assembly issues. Both of them were assembled correctly. These seem like a modern version of what an AK was. They are tanks, over built even. If you can deal with the weight they are a safe option at this point. The barrel and trunnion are attached with 4 bolts and are easy to remove. If you shoot out a barrel PSA sends it this way and can be installed in a few minutes. All three of mine have in spec Pic rail uppers by the way. YMMV. |
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Quoted: I can understand where your coming from. If PWS had of released this as an upper or complete gun unattached from Brownells Gen 2 I think that sentiment wouldn't be so prevalent. . . . . Quoted: Quoted: I really was excited for the gen 3 to come out, but jumping from $800 to $1200 and zero coupon codes work for the gen 3, I’m a bit miffed with how this has rolled out. You’d think they would let coupons work to get more in peoples hands this early and get more real world reports on the line. I would prefer a forward charging handle, but at least it is on the left side. I can understand where your coming from. If PWS had of released this as an upper or complete gun unattached from Brownells Gen 2 I think that sentiment wouldn't be so prevalent. . . . . This occured to me, as well. BUT PWS uppers have an established track record, while the new BRN-180 Gen 3 does not (yet). |
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Quoted: The Jakl has been around for a few years at this point with a large amount of units sold for a civilian only platform. I would say at this point all the bugs have been worked out of the design and if someone is willingly to take the time to go over there Jakl with some loctite and a torque wrench they should be good to go. I have three Jakl's two with pretty decent round counts. I have an initial release Jakl and it has never given me problems. PSA has sent me all the updates parts without actually having an issue. They have replaced the following: 1. Charging Handle and Sled 2. Gas Block and regulator 3. Entire BCG with Bolt (method for roll pining the piston/op rod has changed) 4. New bolt release. All of that was replaced by me but they offered to do the work if I sent the gun in. My other two are a 13.7 pin and weld 5.56 (shorter rail version) purchased about a year ago and a .300 blk pistol purchased about a two months ago. Both of these have all the updates and have been good to go after checking them over for QC assembly issues. Both of them were assembled correctly. These seem like a modern version of what an AK was. They are tanks, over built even. If you can deal with the weight they are a safe option at this point. The barrel and trunnion are attached with 4 bolts and are easy to remove. If you shoot out a barrel PSA sends it this way and can be installed in a few minutes. All three of mine have in spec Pic rail uppers by the way. YMMV. Thanks for those comments. I've been on the fence about the Jakl. What do you think are the chances that PSA will release a lighter Gen 2? They may not have much incentive. |
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Quoted: The Jakl has been around for a few years at this point with a large amount of units sold for a civilian only platform. I would say at this point all the bugs have been worked out of the design and if someone is willingly to take the time to go over there Jakl with some loctite and a torque wrench they should be good to go. I have three Jakl's two with pretty decent round counts. I have an initial release Jakl and it has never given me problems. PSA has sent me all the updates parts without actually having an issue. They have replaced the following: 1. Charging Handle and Sled 2. Gas Block and regulator 3. Entire BCG with Bolt (method for roll pining the piston/op rod has changed) 4. New bolt release. All of that was replaced by me but they offered to do the work if I sent the gun in. My other two are a 13.7 pin and weld 5.56 (shorter rail version) purchased about a year ago and a .300 blk pistol purchased about a two months ago. Both of these have all the updates and have been good to go after checking them over for QC assembly issues. Both of them were assembled correctly. These seem like a modern version of what an AK was. They are tanks, over built even. If you can deal with the weight they are a safe option at this point. The barrel and trunnion are attached with 4 bolts and are easy to remove. If you shoot out a barrel PSA sends it this way and can be installed in a few minutes. All three of mine have in spec Pic rail uppers by the way. YMMV. Quoted: Quoted: I personally find the rattler to be the best overall execution of the short 300blk pdw concept. But i prefer the original 5" version for maximum compactness. It's really the top dog at the very short end of the spectrum. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/435611/20220822_225159_jpg-3429451.JPG Once you start talking about 6.5 - 10" guns, there are other contenders. From what I've seen the jakl is an experimental offering from PSA as one of their first rifle platforms designed from the ground up and it has had teething issues and it still has some idiosyncrasies (can't pull or change the barrels, not sure if the charging handle issue of breaking with heavy use has been resolved yet) and it's heavy. Not just a little bit heavy. It's a fair bit heavier than much of the competition. It's bulky as well and the way the receiver is built up over the ar lower receiver just feels... minor league... to me. Unrefined. I don't know, the whole thing feels like it's the first iteration of a value gun company's foray into the propri tary boutique piston platform. I really like the look of the new gen3 brn180 if a 9" 300blk is what you're looking for, and a sig mcx isn't what you want. Hopefully the street price ends up being better than the announced msrp though. The cmmg dissent has a lot of things going for it design wise. It's a more refined product than the jakl but it's also twice the price. The Jakl has been around for a few years at this point with a large amount of units sold for a civilian only platform. I would say at this point all the bugs have been worked out of the design and if someone is willingly to take the time to go over there Jakl with some loctite and a torque wrench they should be good to go. I have three Jakl's two with pretty decent round counts. I have an initial release Jakl and it has never given me problems. PSA has sent me all the updates parts without actually having an issue. They have replaced the following: 1. Charging Handle and Sled 2. Gas Block and regulator 3. Entire BCG with Bolt (method for roll pining the piston/op rod has changed) 4. New bolt release. All of that was replaced by me but they offered to do the work if I sent the gun in. My other two are a 13.7 pin and weld 5.56 (shorter rail version) purchased about a year ago and a .300 blk pistol purchased about a two months ago. Both of these have all the updates and have been good to go after checking them over for QC assembly issues. Both of them were assembled correctly. These seem like a modern version of what an AK was. They are tanks, over built even. If you can deal with the weight they are a safe option at this point. The barrel and trunnion are attached with 4 bolts and are easy to remove. If you shoot out a barrel PSA sends it this way and can be installed in a few minutes. All three of mine have in spec Pic rail uppers by the way. YMMV. I didn't say it sucks - I said it was clearly an unrefined first-try at designing and producing their own rifle. As you listed most of the moving parts have been redesigned and updated - they have refined it iteratively since it's release, but it still looks and feels like a bit of an over-engineered, clunky design compared to many of the more svelte, developed competitors on the market from companies that have been designing their own rifle systems for years. For example, it's "built like a tank" and it's heavy for what it is. Those aren't compliments. Durable is good - overbuilt like a tank is not. As PSA gets a better grasp on the design parameters and what is and isn't actually necessary, they will be able to refine the design and drop some weight. And a big example of what I mean - " if someone is willingly to take the time to go over there Jakl with some loctite and a torque wrench they should be good to go." This is exactly what people say about buying a chinese dirt bike or quad. It's definitely not something you ever hear about HK, SIG, CZ, B&T, Colt, FN, PWS, KAC, etc. So again, not saying the JAKL is bad, I'm just saying that to me, its design still feels unrefined (bulky, heavy, needs loctite and a torque wrench, can't remove the barrel, and all of the guts having been updated so far since initial release) compared to the alternatives. If someone is looking for the cheapest option above all else, then maybe those issues are fine. But the man asked our opinions! |
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Quoted: No argument from me on any of those points. I didn't say it sucks - I said it was clearly an unrefined first-try at designing and producing their own rifle. As you listed most of the moving parts have been redesigned and updated - they have refined it iteratively since it's release, but it still looks and feels like a bit of an over-engineered, clunky design compared to many of the more svelte, developed competitors on the market from companies that have been designing their own rifle systems for years. For example, it's "built like a tank" and it's heavy for what it is. Those aren't compliments. Durable is good - overbuilt like a tank is not. As PSA gets a better grasp on the design parameters and what is and isn't actually necessary, they will be able to refine the design and drop some weight. And a big example of what I mean - " if someone is willingly to take the time to go over there Jakl with some loctite and a torque wrench they should be good to go." This is exactly what people say about buying a chinese dirt bike or quad. It's definitely not something you ever hear about HK, SIG, CZ, B&T, Colt, FN, PWS, KAC, etc. So again, not saying the JAKL is bad, I'm just saying that to me, its design still feels unrefined (bulky, heavy, needs loctite and a torque wrench, can't remove the barrel, and all of the guts having been updated so far since initial release) compared to the alternatives. If someone is looking for the cheapest option above all else, then maybe those issues are fine. But the man asked our opinions! Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I personally find the rattler to be the best overall execution of the short 300blk pdw concept. But i prefer the original 5" version for maximum compactness. It's really the top dog at the very short end of the spectrum. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/435611/20220822_225159_jpg-3429451.JPG Once you start talking about 6.5 - 10" guns, there are other contenders. From what I've seen the jakl is an experimental offering from PSA as one of their first rifle platforms designed from the ground up and it has had teething issues and it still has some idiosyncrasies (can't pull or change the barrels, not sure if the charging handle issue of breaking with heavy use has been resolved yet) and it's heavy. Not just a little bit heavy. It's a fair bit heavier than much of the competition. It's bulky as well and the way the receiver is built up over the ar lower receiver just feels... minor league... to me. Unrefined. I don't know, the whole thing feels like it's the first iteration of a value gun company's foray into the propri tary boutique piston platform. I really like the look of the new gen3 brn180 if a 9" 300blk is what you're looking for, and a sig mcx isn't what you want. Hopefully the street price ends up being better than the announced msrp though. The cmmg dissent has a lot of things going for it design wise. It's a more refined product than the jakl but it's also twice the price. The Jakl has been around for a few years at this point with a large amount of units sold for a civilian only platform. I would say at this point all the bugs have been worked out of the design and if someone is willingly to take the time to go over there Jakl with some loctite and a torque wrench they should be good to go. I have three Jakl's two with pretty decent round counts. I have an initial release Jakl and it has never given me problems. PSA has sent me all the updates parts without actually having an issue. They have replaced the following: 1. Charging Handle and Sled 2. Gas Block and regulator 3. Entire BCG with Bolt (method for roll pining the piston/op rod has changed) 4. New bolt release. All of that was replaced by me but they offered to do the work if I sent the gun in. My other two are a 13.7 pin and weld 5.56 (shorter rail version) purchased about a year ago and a .300 blk pistol purchased about a two months ago. Both of these have all the updates and have been good to go after checking them over for QC assembly issues. Both of them were assembled correctly. These seem like a modern version of what an AK was. They are tanks, over built even. If you can deal with the weight they are a safe option at this point. The barrel and trunnion are attached with 4 bolts and are easy to remove. If you shoot out a barrel PSA sends it this way and can be installed in a few minutes. All three of mine have in spec Pic rail uppers by the way. YMMV. I didn't say it sucks - I said it was clearly an unrefined first-try at designing and producing their own rifle. As you listed most of the moving parts have been redesigned and updated - they have refined it iteratively since it's release, but it still looks and feels like a bit of an over-engineered, clunky design compared to many of the more svelte, developed competitors on the market from companies that have been designing their own rifle systems for years. For example, it's "built like a tank" and it's heavy for what it is. Those aren't compliments. Durable is good - overbuilt like a tank is not. As PSA gets a better grasp on the design parameters and what is and isn't actually necessary, they will be able to refine the design and drop some weight. And a big example of what I mean - " if someone is willingly to take the time to go over there Jakl with some loctite and a torque wrench they should be good to go." This is exactly what people say about buying a chinese dirt bike or quad. It's definitely not something you ever hear about HK, SIG, CZ, B&T, Colt, FN, PWS, KAC, etc. So again, not saying the JAKL is bad, I'm just saying that to me, its design still feels unrefined (bulky, heavy, needs loctite and a torque wrench, can't remove the barrel, and all of the guts having been updated so far since initial release) compared to the alternatives. If someone is looking for the cheapest option above all else, then maybe those issues are fine. But the man asked our opinions! I forgot to mention that you can use it as a club if you run out of ammo. I will say that's it's correct for price while my B&T APC or Scar are not a good value. That's why I keep coming back to the BRN 180 Gen 3 , XCR or Perun X16. |
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Quoted: Rattlers are amazing. I'd not bother with any standard-AR, and hell no to a PSA rifle. Attached File My DI 300 is awesome, but I want something foldy. I had a LAW adapter but I want it to fire folded without needing their special bolt. |
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Quoted: Rattlers are amazing. I'd not bother with any standard-AR, and hell no to a PSA rifle. I would argue that Sig has the same or worse QC than PSA. Especially if you go back over the past 10 years. My Sig Spear LT had a bendy barrel and needed some loctite and a torque wrench and last time I checked PSA daggers aren't shooting by themselves. The Sig 556r had issues and the list goes on and on. Since we're in Swiss-ish guns I added the Swiss ST55P in .300 blk. I may have to find a way to justify buying one. |
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The phot posting process is absolutely ridiculous. I refuse to jump through all the hoops. If you want I'll send photos and someone else can host them. The upper is on the lower for my Gen 2. The new lower arrives today and the Midwest Industries brave comes in on Friday. |
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Quoted: The phot posting process is absolutely ridiculous. I refuse to jump through all the hoops. If you want I'll send photos and someone else can host them. The upper is on the lower for my Gen 2. The new lower arrives today and the Midwest Industries brave comes in on Friday. Message sent with email/phone to send pics to. Thanks! |
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Quoted: Message sent with email/phone to send pics to. Thanks! Quoted: Quoted: The phot posting process is absolutely ridiculous. I refuse to jump through all the hoops. If you want I'll send photos and someone else can host them. The upper is on the lower for my Gen 2. The new lower arrives today and the Midwest Industries brave comes in on Friday. Message sent with email/phone to send pics to. Thanks! Photos sent. |
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Attached File Attached File Attached File ClickClickBoom1’s gen 3 and with the gen 2 in the last pic. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523616/IMG_6686_jpeg-3435376.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523616/IMG_6685_jpeg-3435377.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523616/PXL_20250115_201555212_2_jpeg-3435378.JPG ClickClickBoom1’s gen 3 and with the gen 2 in the last pic. After adding up the cost for the Gen 3 BRN-180 I can understand how some people would find it pricey and can see how other options should be considered. I do still think it is priced in line with the initial quality and feature set. Here is a break down of the build at retail minus tax, shipping and FFL transfer fee. You can probably get it built for at least 10% less than retail. 1. BRN 180 Gen 3 Upper. $1200 2. Keymo Flash Hider. $70 3. Magpul covers $30 4. BRN-M Ambi Lower $300 5. Larue Trigger $115 6. Radian Ambi Safety $60 7. SOLGW Parts to finish lower. $40 8. BCM Grip $25 9. IMI/Wilson .30 cal Mag $15 10.Midwest Industries Folding Pistol Brace $210 The total comes to $2065 retail before Tax, Shipping and FFl. It's about the same as a Dissent with the same brace. I'm happy with it but it has moved itself considerably up market from the Gen 2. |
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Looks like Axarms is running a free suppressor with APC 300 promo. Reddit link for promo. |
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Man, PSA just announced the JAKL 2.0 which looks like a much more refined firearm. No more AR lower compatibility, lighter weight, no longer a bolted-together design, swappable barrels, better charging handle and upper design. It really looks like it will give the BRN180 G3 a run for it's money and maybe even the SIG LT. I can't wait to see a super short 300blk version.  The JAKL 2.0 - Palmetto State Armory |
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I have always preferred when new designs are not limited to the AR lower dimensions. Keeping some parts compatibly with the lower is good but the compromise of using an AR lower isn't worth it. The best example of using an AR Lower is the Perun. They do cut the buffer tube tower completely off though. |
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