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Posted: 2/12/2009 1:45:29 PM EDT
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I don't know what it is about these rifles. They just seem to carry/ aim just right. But I'm already thinking about another STG556?
I was wondering what is the life expectancy of one of these? How many rounds do you have down the barrel? |
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Keep in mind that the barrel on any full-auto weapon will wear out faster than its semi-auto only counterpart.
As long as you take good care of your weapon, it should last a very long time. There are firearms that have lasted for several generations that are still in very good to excellent condition. |
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Not sure. The FNH SCAR is considered to have one of the best barrels in use on a modern assault rifle in terms of service life and they are rated at 35,000 for the SCAR L MK16, which has full auto fire (although at a lower rate of fire than a lot of assault rifles out there). That's pretty tough when you consider that's firing full auto through the barrel all 35,000 rounds before you use up the service life (not nonstop obviously) so you can imagine how long one would last you even at a high rate of semi-auto fire. I would imagine the MSAR barrels would be at least half as good if not capable of 75% of that service life. even
When you consider that you can Quick Change toolless change out a barrel of an STG in the middle of a carbine course or a long day at the range you're looking at making the barrel last even longer. Good question though. It would be nice to have a dependable service life round count rating of the barrel and the rifle as a whole. Obviously all parts in time wear out and need replacing even if very well maintained, and even if those parts out last the service lives of their users. 
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The word is that Steyr was able to get 20,000K through their AUG A3's without issue. That tells me that after 20K something went down or wasn't up to Steyr snuff.
Parts are going to start going down around the 20K mark in most rifles. Keep your rifle well lubricated when you're running it hot through a carbine course. This is why when you get done with a range day and take down your rifle for cleaning it's important to inspect things like the bolt and so forth on any rifle. It's also why regardless of the rifle you want spare parts on hand, which are obtainable through MSAR. I don't have 20K through my STG yet. I can tell you with the original AUG at 20K you're probably going to need a new hammer pack so if you're prepping for SHTF or a ban at some point you'll want to pick up a spare hammer pack in addition to the spare parts kit. |
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The word is that Steyr was able to get 20,000K through their AUG A3's without issue. That tells me that after 20K something went down or wasn't up to Steyr snuff. I don't have 20K through my STG yet. I can tell you with the original AUG at 20K you're probably going to need a new hammer pack so if you're prepping for SHTF or a ban at some point you'll want to pick up a spare hammer pack in addition to the spare parts kit. Silent Type, there you go again spreading false rumors about the Steyr AUG 
Why does that tell you "something went down or wasn't up to Steyr snuff" ? There were no problems after 20k rounds. If any rifle shoots 20k rounds without any problems is considered above excellent by most companies standards. In fact Steyr guarantees the AUG for military use for 45k rounds without any major issues. That includes the hammer pack too. Why do come here and try to spread false info about the Steyr AUG??? If you hate it soo much just keep your mouth "Silent Type" |
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I don't have 20K through my STG yet. I can tell you with the original AUG at 20K you're probably going to need a new hammer pack so if you're prepping for SHTF or a ban at some point you'll want to pick up a spare hammer pack in addition to the spare parts kit. If I remember correctly, during the initial R&D of the Steyr Aug the synthetic hammer was questionable. Plastics used in firearms was very new back in the 1970's. Pre-Production Augs were jigged into a special auto feed machine and set up to cycle indefinitely until stopped by the operator. The test went beyond 75K rounds and was only halted because of the cost of ammo. The hammers showed little or no signs of wear, with the remaining parts in the pack showing the same. I would highly recommend and agree not to compare the quality of synthetics and components in your STG hammer pack. At least until further reports and or factory testing has been completed. |
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The word is that Steyr was able to get 20,000K through their AUG A3's without issue. That tells me that after 20K something went down or wasn't up to Steyr snuff. I don't have 20K through my STG yet. I can tell you with the original AUG at 20K you're probably going to need a new hammer pack so if you're prepping for SHTF or a ban at some point you'll want to pick up a spare hammer pack in addition to the spare parts kit. Silent Type, there you go again spreading false rumors about the Steyr AUG
Why does that tell you "something went down or wasn't up to Steyr snuff" ? There were no problems after 20k rounds. If any rifle shoots 20k rounds without any problems is considered above excellent by most companies standards. In fact Steyr guarantees the AUG for military use for 45k rounds without any major issues. That includes the hammer pack too. Why do come here and try to spread false info about the Steyr AUG??? If you hate it soo much just keep your mouth "Silent Type" WTF is your problem? You got something personal why don't you take it to PM or keep posting personal shit here and see how long your account stays open. Not spreading a single false rumor. You want to point out the specific thing that I said which is false? You can't can you though xxxtriplexxx. You yourself have said the round count through the Steyr AUG A3 is 20,000. Why not more? Why not 25.000? Anyone who has any experience with firearms knows that at that round count on ANY firearm as I stated ANY firearm things are going to start to show wear and perhaps not function as they should without replacement. That's just a fact of life. LWRCI, Colt, and just about every firearm I know starts having wear issues when they get up at that round count. Talk to Pete Athens who has serviced AUG for over 20 years and he'll tell you the same damn thing "AUGs just like all firearms have service lives." That is why it is important to have spare parts on hand and start inspecting your rifle when you take it down after a carbine course or other stress high round count days. Hammer packs and other internals will need replacement after awhile for those who really use their rifles more than a once a month range trip. So save your marketing B.S. for someplace else where people have no clue about real service life. All parts fail and all parts have a service life. This is a discussion about the reality of that and not a pat each other on the back for how awesome the Steyr or any other rifle is for that matter. I know the Steyr has a great service life, because I actually own an AUG A2 and two of their pistols along with an SBS. They make fine firearms, but Steyr is subject to same real world conditions as everyone else. If people want someone to fill them full of shit that an AUG will have some never ending service life than they can read your posts. If you've got a problem with that, if that is somehow being "negative" to you than I really don't give a damn. You're not even a paying member here and you're sure as hell not the Moderator so I'll keep posting. |
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I don't have 20K through my STG yet. I can tell you with the original AUG at 20K you're probably going to need a new hammer pack so if you're prepping for SHTF or a ban at some point you'll want to pick up a spare hammer pack in addition to the spare parts kit. If I remember correctly, during the initial R&D of the Steyr Aug the synthetic hammer was questionable. Plastics used in firearms was very new back in the 1970's. Pre-Production Augs were jigged into a special auto feed machine and set up to cycle indefinitely until stopped by the operator. The test went beyond 75K rounds and was only halted because of the cost of ammo. The hammers showed little or no signs of wear, with the remaining parts in the pack showing the same. I would highly recommend and agree not to compare the quality of synthetics and components in your STG hammer pack. At least until further reports and or factory testing has been completed. I've seen hammer packs get worn down and need replacement. A couple of years back Cato (an Austrian that posts here) had a pretty good picture thread about them. It happens. They'll last awhile, but it's not unheard of that they need to be replaced. Steyr hammer packs are the best polymer in the world, but that doesn't change the fact that if you're running a rifle hard they will need replacement at some point. Again that's not some slight against Steyr, but that's just the way it goes with all firearms for folks that are running their rifles hard. EVERY single firearms is going to need replacements at some point with the internals. Now YMMV, but all I can offer is what I know from experience and what I've learned from other folks. Is it possible that a hammer pack could last for all time without the need for replacement or up to 75K? Sure, but I haven't seen it or seen anyone post evidence of one going that long. Haha, and I am not comparing the STG hammer pack. Whether the STG will live up to that round count? Who knows? It can serve as the "Gold Standard" though for where the round count should be and at least a vague clue of what to expect with the STG. I would not be shocked for a second if the STG did not have the same service life, BUT as a consumer I would expect it and demand it for my money. For me service life is going to be judged from what we learn about the STG once it gets used and abused by the end users and we're not going to STG's passing close to 20K from folks here for awhile unless some serious LEO Departments have adopted it and right now I don't know of any major metro SWAT teams with large ammo budgets carrying it. Lab tests are all well and good, but I like to see the real deal abuse with cheap ammo and rough abuse. STG has been on the market for what? Almost two years right now? Not a lot of civies here sending 10K rounds down range in a year. |
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The word is that Steyr was able to get 20,000K through their AUG A3's without issue. That tells me that after 20K something went down or wasn't up to Steyr snuff. I hate to say it Silent, but this does sound like Laundry Room I hate Steyr rumor type talk to me. You're not even a paying member here and you're sure as hell not the Moderator so I'll keep posting. C'mon Silent.....Not that I'm one yet either, but you never became a paying member here until you hit your 12000 post  give or take a few.
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The word is that Steyr was able to get 20,000K through their AUG A3's without issue. That tells me that after 20K something went down or wasn't up to Steyr snuff. I hate to say it Silent, but this does sound like Laundry Room I hate Steyr rumor type talk to me. You're not even a paying member here and you're sure as hell not the Moderator so I'll keep posting. C'mon Silent.....Not that I'm one yet either, but you never became a paying member here until you hit your 12000 post give or take a few.
Ahh, here is the guy that pretty much called Jack Riddle a liar when he said the Steyr AUG A3 was coming out and you're saying that me stating that someone giving me a round count from the factory of 20K suggests that's as long as they could run it without a single issue is a lie? Alright you want to believe that the Steyr will shoot and shoot without malfunction for all time and that they just stopped at 20K, because they got tired that's fine by me. Did you pay for my membership? Nope. You haven't even paid for one yourself even though you said when I got one you would too. Oh well. Steyr worship is a bit much to deal with here folks. If you want to be practical get spare parts and keep them on hand. Do the right thing with your STG, AUG, or TPD and inspect the parts like the bolt, hammer pack, and so forth after high round counts. Or just say "so and so said on the internet I can put through tens of thousands of rounds without any wear or issue" to sleep sound at night. Something tells me that MOST folks will do the practical thing and keep parts on hand. There is a reason that when folks go to carbine courses they are encouraged to bring a back-up rifle and why many like Pat Rogers will bring back-up rifles of their own for students. Everything has a breaking point. Every part has a service life. Quality control even with the BEST firearms in the world is not always 100% and mass production can lead to lemon parts. Steyr is one of the best and oldest firearms companies in the world, but they are limited by real world materials as good as they are and service lives just like other rifles. |
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SilentType,
Don't let these people get to you. It's the internet my friend...didn't you know that everyone is an expert online? I along with many others on the bullpup forum...value your comments. I have read many posts where I agree with what you say and this thread is no different. I think that guy is just trying to get under your skin. Don't take it personally because that person does not contribute like you do, so just laugh and turn the other cheek. I have always wanted to own an AUG and the STG will be my first AUG clone. You have helped me with explaining the pros and cons, so thank you. You have a lot of knowledge and I look forward to reading what you have to say. I agree with you what you said about parts having a breaking point. Even the best made products will fail at some point and having spare parts is vitial to keeping your tools in working condition. |
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