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Posted: 7/7/2002 5:06:13 PM EDT
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According to fellow member CactusJack, it would be a Colt Carbine:
Click Here For His Thread I would also say a pre-ban Colt with raised fence, small pivot pin, mil-spec fire control pins, and no sear block. 
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Posted: 7/7/2002 5:17:30 PM EDT
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BD AR15A3 Tactical Carbine Model 6721, I believe this one to be fairly rare...
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Posted: 7/7/2002 5:22:04 PM EDT
[#3]
JC is right the 6721 is the rarest with only 134 or 135 produced if memory serves.
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Posted: 7/7/2002 5:46:06 PM EDT
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That would be true if you are not counting the fact the 6721 is still made, just stamped LEO. There is a Colt Commanche out there somewhere that is rare. |
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Posted: 7/7/2002 5:56:32 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm no Colts' expert but I believe the most rare semi-auto model is the AR-15 (XM16E1). Originally made for export and very rare in the U.S.
Edited to add: There are some very early ArmaLite AR-15's and ArmaLite-Colts' AR-15's probably more rare than the rifle above but I believe they were all select-fire weapons. |
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Posted: 7/7/2002 5:56:38 PM EDT
[#6]
Good point, let me change that to:
BD AR15A3 Tactical Carbine Model 6721 Non-LEO, I believe this one to be fairly rare... |
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Posted: 7/7/2002 8:29:17 PM EDT
[#7]
OK......, lemme bring it all together...,
my deffinition, & the deffinition used by Colt collectors of rare are the regular production models where somthyng was changed or discontinued....... true the XM-16 E1 is THE rarest, only two, then comes the BD AR15A3 Tactical Carbine Model 6721..., as stated only 134/5 made... then the 6520 AR-15 A2 GREEN label, w/ raised fence Gov't Carbine (i have one coming) then the 6520 AR-15 A2 Colt Carbine lyke FRO, Stokes & i have...... after that it becomes personal preference as to which PRE-BAN to collect....... |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 11:31:14 AM EDT
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CactusJack, I have a green lable R6520, large hole, fenced, standard fire control pins, bayo-lug and no block. Serial # is GC 0079XX. Are you saying this configuration is rarer than a Colt Carbine? |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 12:19:51 PM EDT
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I thought the 6520 was the carbine ??????? |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 12:42:10 PM EDT
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IIRC, the R6550 govt model only had around 9800 or so produced and out of those, some came with the bayo lug and some did'nt so I would guess that the bayo lugged versions are worth a little more. R6520's are around 18,500 produced, about twice as many as the R6550's but sell for a good bit more. I never could figure that one out, except that one says "carbine" on it.
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Posted: 7/8/2002 12:48:43 PM EDT
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I'm not a Colt expert by any means but I would imagine that here in the US the Colt AR-15's chambered in .222 Remington are relatively rare are they not?
These were an export model IIRC. I don't know how many were produced but every so often you see one pop up for sale. |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 1:42:27 PM EDT
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Just saw an NIB AR-15 A3 Tactical Carbine for sale for a mere $7500.00. (1 of 135 per the post.) |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 1:58:41 PM EDT
[#13]
I saw that one, too.... That really is up there, but there's a buyer for every deal, right?!?! |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 2:15:02 PM EDT
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Yep ! If you can afford to wait long enough and you've only got one to sell someone will come along shaped like a mullet and............... |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 2:15:14 PM EDT
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5Sub,
i saw that A3 Tac Carbine & forgot to book mark it, do you still have the URL ? i am thynking about having one, who knows maybe sooner than later... one other point GC's are Gov't Carbines CC's are Colt Carbines they both come in the 6520 model, at least that is my understanding..... LocoBob, according to my scource that is what he says, if you want to ask him further questions about it, i am shure the man will respond, here is his Email addy: [email protected] his name is Charles Cuzalina, his website is: www.prebanarms.com really a neato place wyth lots of eye candy......... Spectre, basicly if it is stamped "Sporter" it kinda devalues the darn thyngs, it's that magic word "Carbine" that sets off collectors, add to that "pre-ban" & you damn near got a feeding frenzy....... DarkHelmet, those .222 Rem AR-15s are rare as most went to countries that required "de-milled" in order to get them legaly imported, some were brought back from those countries & some were sold here in the USA |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 2:18:40 PM EDT
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I believe the informal empanelled panel concludes the rarest Colt (semi-auto) ever produced was the Colts' AR-15 (XM16E1). |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 2:22:51 PM EDT
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Cactus J., that gun was over on the Buddy Board - sturmgewehr.com - forgot to add that due to the low price - $7500.00 - shipping is an additional charge.
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Posted: 7/8/2002 2:37:05 PM EDT
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Maybe Stokes will come along and straighten us out. I can find the GC 6520 (AR-15A2 Govt. Model Carbine (6520) ) but no mention of a CC 6520............(However, however, there is mention of an AR-15A2 Carbine with no model number shown..................discontinued in 1988.) |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 2:40:41 PM EDT
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Cactus J., should you make a move I'm thinking about $5,000 is the correct price. |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 2:47:45 PM EDT
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Dark H., the first AR-15 "type" rifle ArmaLite made was in .222. This rifle was called the "Stopette" and was designated the AR-11. (Designed by Robert Enewold.) Should you find one of these for sale.........wellll, that might be the rarest find of all. -------------------------------------------- There is an AR15.com member named "Gus" whose father did the design work on the .223 (5.56mm) round after the Army decided the .222 needed a little more oooomph. |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 4:22:58 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Spectre, basicly if it is stamped "Sporter" it kinda devalues the darn thyngs, it's that magic word "Carbine" that sets off collectors, add to that "pre-ban" & you damn near got a feeding frenzy....... CactusJack, The rifle I was refering to is not a sporter. It's the R6550 roll marked "AR15-A2 govt model" It's like the one you picked up not long ago from a guy here in town through biggame223. They only produced around 9800 of these, yet they are valued lower than the govt carbines which had around 18,500 produced. Usually if something is produced in lower numbers it is valued higher than a similar product which had double the production. Thats why I said it would appear that they sell for more just cuz it says carbine on the side. BTW, I'm still in the running for adoption.....right ???? |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 5:00:35 PM EDT
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If the stock folds or telescopes the guns sell for more - if the barrel is short (carbine) the guns sell for more. The FN 50.64 (18" barrel) is more rare than the 50.63 with the 16" barrel but the 50.63 brings more money. Finally, price comes down to whether or not a particular gun has a 'following' and not the scarcity. (I think I may be quoting Tony Rumore here.) |
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Posted: 7/8/2002 8:32:31 PM EDT
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A local shop had a supposedly unfired Tactical Carbine, essentially NIB. Price was $4950. I was afraid to touch it. I think he had it for about 3 weeks. It is no longer there, as of this weekend. Unfortunately, it is not in my safe.
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Posted: 7/9/2002 5:15:18 AM EDT
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5Sub,
thanx for the info, i'll run over there & check it out....... Spectre, aaaaah.., thanx, i got a bit confused, so many ARs floating thru my mind right now i can not keep them srtaight, i got one coming in today one tomrw. & the last one on Friday, at the range gun shop....... BTW i put my new M4 upper on that Gov't model, i run a couple mags thru it & i am now a short barrel shooter..., i love those shorties !! yes, you are still in the running for adoption... Turborocket, damn......!! at a price lyke that you shudda bought it, then told me & you cudda made an extra couple hundered just for being a hell of a nice guy....... |
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Posted: 7/9/2002 7:09:56 AM EDT
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Are these rare at all? NIB Colt SP2 with slabside SP1 lower apparently a transition model where colt was using up all leftover parts.
www.gunscanada.com/auction/lot.cfm?lotID=2422 |
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Posted: 7/9/2002 8:15:12 AM EDT
[#26]
The Colt R6511 is the rarest. It is the semi-auto equivelent of the Colt 741. Production consisited of ONE gun.
After that, it's a bit hard to tell. There are a lot of super low production guns, many totalling less than 1000 peices. Some that come to my mind are: R6721 Commanchees or 1st year guns (1 of 23) R6520 A2 carbines without blocks. R6520s in the CC range. R6530s in the CC range. R6600DHs. "K" series guns. Z-Coated guns. And, of course, error guns, marked improperly. Hard to tell exactly what the production was on some, but all have some sort of desireability. BTW, Carbines are worth more, even if they have higher production numbers or are less usefull. As said before, my 50.63 FAL with 18" barrel isn't half as useful as my 50.64 with 21" barrel, but it is worth 20% more. |
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Posted: 7/9/2002 8:19:42 AM EDT
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What model were the so-called "white label" guns (raised fence, small pin, forward assist, A2 upper, no sear block, etc.)? They seem to be pretty scarce. I recall someone on here buying a NIB example about a year ago for a cool $2000. Anyone?
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Posted: 7/10/2002 1:25:01 PM EDT
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============================================== [>Q][>Q] I JUST MISSED GETTING THIS ONE FOR $5550..... boo hoo [>Q] [>Q] |
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Posted: 7/10/2002 4:40:10 PM EDT
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WOW, lots of post.
My next question. Colt AR15A3 Pre-ban, Where all marked tactical carbine? Was the barrel Heavy or light? Did they have the bayonet lug? |
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Posted: 7/10/2002 7:35:38 PM EDT
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CactusJack,
Yeah, I don't think I really knew the value of the thing at the time; not until reading some of these posts. The dealer told me it was rare, with only a hundred or so of these things around but I wasn't really paying attention when he was talking about it because it had a $5k price tag because this dealer's prices are usually a little inflated. I am not a collector of museum pieces, only nice shooting samples. Next time, I'll pay more attention, if nothing else to tell you guys about it if I am not interested - if there is a next time. By the way, this same dealer is getting in a pristine Gatling gun if anyone is interested. I think he said it was a mere $40,000 - is that a good price??? [:\] |
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Posted: 7/10/2002 8:01:27 PM EDT
[#31]
treefrog88,
i am not certain of the exact wording on what the lower is, i nver saw one.........yet ! but i thynk it is "COLT AR-15 A3 CARBINE" "S/N BD 00001xx" has any one got a photo close up of the lower ? of an A3 Tactical Carbine ????? turborocket, hey, no problem, if i had the ability to go back thru the years & pick up the great guns that i thot were over priced at the tyme & bring them to today i wud be very rich.., i was buying new Colt SAA for $125 all day long..., do i have one now ??? no !!! |
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Posted: 7/10/2002 10:40:29 PM EDT
[#32]
Sorry for this crappy picture. It took me a while to dig it out of the back of the safe, and I didn't bother looking at the pic before I packed everything back up.
I'm thinking I might do a photo archive of some of my stuff (for insurance if nothing else), and if I do, I'll take some better pics. BTW, that reads: Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine Cal. 223 Ser# BD0000** |
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Posted: 7/11/2002 4:08:21 AM EDT
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t. frog, I 'believe' the AR15A3's had the heavy barrel, flash suppressor, collapsible stock, removable carry-handle and bayonet lug. I don't know about the markings. (See Stokes post above.) |
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Posted: 7/11/2002 4:36:23 AM EDT
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Stokes (anyone), apparently in about 1992 there was a Model 6700CH introduced - came with 3-9 rubber armored variable scope, mount, carry handle with iron sights and nylon carrying case. (Same as the 6700 but was selected for accuracy, given the above accessories and the "CH" designator.) Rare ?? (I know I've never seen one.) (Stokes, thanks for correcting my FN barrel lengths - I've actually owned the 50.64 and should have remembered better.) |
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Posted: 7/11/2002 4:37:59 AM EDT
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Jim, I've been told for years that some few "white label" Colts' guns existed but I've not seen one. |
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Posted: 7/11/2002 4:52:34 AM EDT
[#36]
The one that I saw was on here about a year ago. The person posted pictures of the gun, the box, etc. It had small pins, forward assist, flash hider, bayonet lug, raised fence, government profile barrel, etc. Supposedly they were made around 1989 to 1990. |
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Posted: 7/11/2002 5:03:08 AM EDT
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Stokes,
how many rare Colts do you have ? why are some of the photos in your album distorted ? how much Colt history do you have secreted away ???????? |
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Posted: 7/11/2002 5:08:42 AM EDT
[#38]
I 'thought' the white labels were made a little later and were transitional guns - between the green label and blue label. |
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Posted: 7/11/2002 5:09:51 AM EDT
[#39]
A little more sharper pic of the Colt 6721 Tactical Carbine lower markings.
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Posted: 7/11/2002 5:34:14 AM EDT
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XM777,
is that your Carbine ?? it's beautiful !!!!!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaa, i want one !!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 7/11/2002 7:28:50 AM EDT
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Yep, Purchased about 6 years ago at the "outrageous" (at the time) price of $1000.00. I only wish I could have bought a few more. - |
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Posted: 7/11/2002 8:09:36 AM EDT
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White label guns are a bit of a mystery.
Generally speaking, they were made during the "transition" period between greens and blues. Features very, depending on what time in the transition they came out. Most of them tend to be of the higher end guns, especially the Delta Hbars. I think it was Colts marketing strategy to call these "Custom Shop" guns, which traditionally have white labels. As for the R6700DH or the R6701DH, the only real reference I've ever seen to one is in the blue book. I've never seen one in person or for sale. Then again, I've not looked hard for one either. Show and tell will have to wait for another day. |
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Posted: 7/17/2002 2:39:30 PM EDT
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I got one.
May not be the deal of the century. But could be the deal of the year! www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=4478602 |
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Posted: 7/17/2002 4:52:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Nice buy t. frog !!
(Course you did take advantage of a self-proclaimed donkey.) |
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Posted: 7/17/2002 5:50:26 PM EDT
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If that's the real deal, you got one great score. Could probably double your money if you wanted.
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Posted: 7/18/2002 1:49:15 AM EDT
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Hey Frog, Does your lower say "AR-15 A3"? If it does you picked up a real sleeper there. Good job! |
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Posted: 7/18/2002 5:34:37 AM EDT
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treefrog88,
i belive it is too much for a blocked receiver.., but thats just my opinion....... |
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Posted: 7/18/2002 3:53:12 PM EDT
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Stokes
It's a real deal. Look where it was posted in the pistol section. I was looking for a Colt 1991A1 and came across it. The lower says Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine CAL. 223 SER.BD0005XX It's more black than gray. The sear block pin can be seen on both sides. It's a bigger pin than what I have on my pre-ban Sporter Target Model. I don't think it's been fired. The face of the bolt shows no donut around the firing pin hole. I was going to make it into an M-4, but now I think I'll just keep it like it is. I did want to post it till had it in my possession. |
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Posted: 7/18/2002 4:09:50 PM EDT
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treefrog88,
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but unless you're LE, that's a post ban 6721. Serial # has to be <000134 to be pre-ban. HTH. |
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Posted: 7/18/2002 4:17:09 PM EDT
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Treefrog,
I would suggest that you contact the seller immediately. What you have there is an unmarked LEO Restricted rifle. Unless you are a LEO and purchased it with the proper letterhead or an FFL, it is a felony for you to possess. Serial number must be less than BD000134 to be legal for civilian possesion. Value is ~ $900.00 -xm |
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