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12/24/2009 3:41:19 PM EDT
i know almost nothing about C&R stuff/paperwork/issues/etc and pose the following...



 what type of authentication would you expect (paperwork?) to come with a rifle that was (supposedly) carried by one of the buffalo soldiers at the battle of San Juan Hill?



any help would be appreciated






12/24/2009 5:01:57 PM EDT
[#1]
...none
perhaps I don't follow your question
12/24/2009 5:42:53 PM EDT
[#2]
There could be no "paperwork" or providence included with any old firearm all the way to complete documentation. It's not automatic.

What you need to do is educate yourself beforehand so you don't get screwed. I've got an 1898 Krag carbine I'll tell you was carried by a Rough Rider up the hill but it would be a lie, on many levels. First this carbine started life as a rifle and was converted to a carbine after it was surplussed. Nevermind the 1901 date in the stocks cartouche and lack of saddle ring. And the sights are of the later verity. But it is still a jim dandy Krag carbine. I love it.

I believe the Rough Riders carried the 1896 carbines. I really don't know what the Buffalo soldiers carried but likely the same model.

Do a lot of research before you purchase. You'll be doing yourself a huge favor.
12/24/2009 5:48:20 PM EDT
[#3]
Mil serial number records, [if they exist] photographs, family history, actual historical paperwork.

But in the end, pay for the gun, not the story.
12/24/2009 5:58:34 PM EDT
[#4]
thanks for the replies ––  i appreciate the info (especially on xmas eve)






12/24/2009 8:28:12 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
There could be no "paperwork" or providence included with any old firearm all the way to complete documentation.



So, your saying that some Swiss rifles don't fall under these guidelines
12/25/2009 5:17:50 AM EDT
[#6]
Say what???

Are you refering to "troop tags"? My K31 didn't come with one.And there is nothing for documentation for any of my 4 or 5 M/N rifles. Nor my Garand, 03A3, Enfield No4Mk1, etc., etc.
12/25/2009 7:32:54 AM EDT
[#7]
A K31 troop tag would be the closest thing to "documentation" you will get with an over the counter C&R gun. War bring-backs may have capture papers with them, but they don't come up too often.
12/25/2009 7:58:37 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Say what???

Are you refering to "troop tags"? My K31 didn't come with one.And there is nothing for documentation for any of my 4 or 5 M/N rifles. Nor my Garand, 03A3, Enfield No4Mk1, etc., etc.


You were saying there is no documentation for "Old Rifles" back to their inception, so I was saying this is untrue when speaking about some Swiss rifles. I have 3 K31's and a K11 I have tracked back to the original owners or owner's family and received enough documentation to make your head spin from the day they were issued with pics, uniform patches, log books etc.
12/25/2009 12:38:14 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Mil serial number records, [if they exist] photographs, family history, actual historical paperwork.

But in the end, pay for the gun, not the story.


This is the best advice.

I can't tell you how many of "Hitler's pistols", or "Saddam's AK" I have seen at gun shows and pawn shops. Even paperwork can be faked, so beware.
12/25/2009 12:41:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Ah...I see.

I also said "could be" no documentation. On most old guns there simply isn't anything. Presentation models, GI bring backs and many Swiss rifles tend to be the only ones. Sometimes a family heirloom will include the paperwork that great grandpa had when he special ordered his gun 100+ yrs ago but that's pretty rare too.
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