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7/11/2015 10:55:28 AM EDT
I have a Spike's lower that I put together with a CMC 3.5 lb drop in trigger. It is used with a DSG/Seekins Upper chambered in .300 Blackout. Not overly relevant but it is used in a pistol configuration with Phase 5 buffer tube and spring. I used a DSG lpk aside from some Phase 5 components like the trigger guard and bolt release. Now onto the meat of the problem. I went to the range and was firing at a normal rate, about 1 round every 2-3 seconds. Everything was going fine and then on one trigger pull the gun let loose a 5 round burst like it was full auto. Over the course of maybe 500 rounds it did this 3 times. I can't get it to replicate the burst if I try but it just happens. Any ideas what might be causing this or what I can do to fix it? Last thing I need is to get in trouble for something I didn't even intend to happen.

7/11/2015 11:04:54 AM EDT
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Replace the fire control group to completely sure. Could be the disconnector, though. Ensure you installed the spring with the wide end down.
7/11/2015 11:06:17 AM EDT
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As a side note, move your rear sight farther back.
7/11/2015 11:08:45 AM EDT
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It doesn't look like it but it is all the way back. To the previous poster, the trigger is a drop in that i just had to bolt in place. Should I contact CMC directly about it or is there a way to check it out myself?
7/11/2015 11:12:33 AM EDT
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It doesn't look like it but it is all the way back. To the previous poster, the trigger is a drop in that i just had to bolt in place. Should I contact CMC directly about it or is there a way to check it out myself?
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It doesn't look like it but it is all the way back. To the previous poster, the trigger is a drop in that i just had to bolt in place. Should I contact CMC directly about it or is there a way to check it out myself?


I've never used a CMC trigger so I'm not sure how they work - but since it's all "one piece" then your problem is within the housing. Return it for another one.
7/11/2015 11:48:18 AM EDT
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The sad part is no one mentioned a function check.  

Does it pass a function check?

if it does, then the "auto firing" is from poor form

If it doesnt its probably a weak/inserted wrong/bad disco spring.
7/11/2015 11:49:03 AM EDT
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The sad part is no one mentioned a function check.  

Does it pass a function check?

if it does, then the "auto firing" is from poor form

If it doesnt its probably a weak/inserted wrong/bad disco spring.
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I generally consider that a given since I function check everything before I even slap an upper on a newly finished lower
7/11/2015 11:56:40 AM EDT
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I sent an email to CMC and they sent a response almost immediately. They are mailing me a replacement trigger on Monday at no charge. That is some quality customer service right there.
7/11/2015 11:58:15 AM EDT
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I had one that was doing it a lot the first time I shot it. Could not avoid doubles, even triples.  Annoyed the hell out of me. I think it was the trigger that fixed the problem.
7/11/2015 11:58:18 AM EDT
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The sad part is no one mentioned a function check.  

Does it pass a function check?

if it does, then the "auto firing" is from poor form

If it doesnt its probably a weak/inserted wrong/bad disco spring.
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The fit, finish and function of the gun is virtually flawless. It has all quality parts and everything functions as designed, save for the trigger bursting every once in awhile.
7/11/2015 11:59:48 AM EDT
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The fit, finish and function of the gun is virtually flawless. It has all quality parts and everything functions as designed, save for the trigger bursting every once in awhile.
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The sad part is no one mentioned a function check.  

Does it pass a function check?

if it does, then the "auto firing" is from poor form

If it doesnt its probably a weak/inserted wrong/bad disco spring.


The fit, finish and function of the gun is virtually flawless. It has all quality parts and everything functions as designed, save for the trigger bursting every once in awhile.


What he's asking is if the rifle will pass this function check found here
7/11/2015 12:01:22 PM EDT
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What he's asking is if the rifle will pass this function check found here
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The sad part is no one mentioned a function check.  

Does it pass a function check?

if it does, then the "auto firing" is from poor form

If it doesnt its probably a weak/inserted wrong/bad disco spring.


The fit, finish and function of the gun is virtually flawless. It has all quality parts and everything functions as designed, save for the trigger bursting every once in awhile.


What he's asking is if the rifle will pass this function check found here


Well in that case, yes. While the lower has full auto the saftey selector and trigger are only safe and fire and it functions just fine in regards to both.
7/11/2015 12:31:51 PM EDT
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Most likely you are bump firing b/c you have a fairly light trigger.  No need to move your rear sight - though moving it further back may give you slightly more sight radius.

Your lower doesn't have full auto - it is just cosmetically marked that way.

If you keep your finger on the trigger after you have pulled the trigger, and keep the trigger pulled all the way back, then cycle the action while your trigger is still pulled, does the hammer fall?
7/11/2015 12:41:12 PM EDT
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Most likely you are bump firing b/c you have a fairly light trigger.  No need to move your rear sight - though moving it further back may give you slightly more sight radius.

Your lower doesn't have full auto - it is just cosmetically marked that way.

If you keep your finger on the trigger after you have pulled the trigger, and keep the trigger pulled all the way back, then cycle the action while your trigger is still pulled, does the hammer fall?
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I just got it out and tried. The hammer stays back and the trigger has an audible reset when I release it then I can pull the trigger and drop the hammer. I don't think I am bump firing it simply because I am only squeezing the trigger once and it fires significantly faster than I possibly could by manipulating the trigger. I'm not the most experienced guy around but I wouldn't say I'm a complete noob either. I have a 3MR trigger on my full size AR and I can come nowhere near the rate of fire that my pistol puts out when it bursts. Who knows though. CMC has offered to replace the trigger so I will put the new one in when it gets here and see if the problem is corrected or if it is indeed something I am doing wrong.
7/11/2015 12:56:35 PM EDT
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Quoted:  I just got it out and tried. The hammer stays back and the trigger has an audible reset when I release it then I can pull the trigger and drop the hammer. I don't think I am bump firing it simply because I am only squeezing the trigger once and it fires significantly faster than I possibly could by manipulating the trigger. I'm not the most experienced guy around but I wouldn't say I'm a complete noob either. I have a 3MR trigger on my full size AR and I can come nowhere near the rate of fire that my pistol puts out when it bursts. Who knows though. CMC has offered to replace the trigger so I will put the new one in when it gets here and see if the problem is corrected or if it is indeed something I am doing wrong.
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Might check out the bump fire threads.  They're getting upwards of 900 rpm.  The CMC has a short reset.  You'll find out w/ the new trigger.  I'd be very surprised if the trigger module was actually the issue.  Please post back once you get the new trigger in.
7/11/2015 1:27:38 PM EDT
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Not sure if you're shouldering the buffer tube, but because you're not getting a solid purchase on the shoulder you're most likely bump firing like the above posts indicate.
7/11/2015 1:45:46 PM EDT
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You aren't accidentally bump firing it are you? 3.5 is pretty light
7/12/2015 1:54:15 AM EDT
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Damn good looking pistol, I'm sure you'll  get that bug worked out.
7/12/2015 9:34:05 AM EDT
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Timney says DO NOT lube their triggers... they will burst on you if you do... had a student in class find that out. Have you applied any lube to any parts of the trigger mechanism?
7/12/2015 2:27:29 PM EDT
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Trigger in question is CMC, not Timney.
7/13/2015 12:48:46 PM EDT
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It doesn't look like it but it is all the way back.
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It doesn't look like it but it is all the way back.


It actually can go back one more notch.. Hope you get your trigger sorted out soon...


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7/13/2015 9:28:54 PM EDT
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Trigger in question is CMC, not Timney.
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Trigger in question is CMC, not Timney.


Yes... I know... I wondered if perhaps the CMC would malfunction like the Timney if lubed.
7/13/2015 10:40:57 PM EDT
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The CMC's are lubed/greased from manufacture
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