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Posted: 7/3/2020 8:08:23 AM EDT
[#1]
Looks like you can’t order by phone until Monday. Maybe one of the TNVC guys on here can take my rnvg order today
 ? I really want to use my two cash rewards credit cards as it will give me $200 cash back... but if I don’t hear anything by noon I’ll just pay with the debit card from the website.
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Posted: 7/3/2020 8:16:00 AM EDT
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How do these tubes compare to the wp tunes in jrh’s bnvd wp binos?
Is mil/le discount applicable to these? |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 8:23:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They could be. I believe theres a wide range of specs than can fall into that class of tubes. The minimums are a bit scary but assuming the tubes run more in line with the xlsh ive seen theyll out perform that by a good bit. Would suck to be the guy who ended up with the 1400fom omni V level stinker but someone has to buy it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: DUDE...this is a big deal. These are the same high spec Elbit WP tubes that we've seen on the forum priced below Photonis Echos. They could be. I believe theres a wide range of specs than can fall into that class of tubes. The minimums are a bit scary but assuming the tubes run more in line with the xlsh ive seen theyll out perform that by a good bit. Would suck to be the guy who ended up with the 1400fom omni V level stinker but someone has to buy it. They range in specs, basically these are tubes that you order on a Gamble from ESA. Some may be killer and some may be OMINI V level. All failed MIL testing for some reason either blems, specs etc. how do I know this, because I sell NV and can order these exact tubes. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 8:28:51 AM EDT
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Well guys I pulled the trigger on the RNVGs from TNVC from this sale... The thin filmed wp got me. I'm scared, though... Was this a good move to do over Gen 3 GP with refurbed ANVIS tubes? I'm still really new to NV
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Posted: 7/3/2020 8:38:46 AM EDT
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So how do the NGI/PVS-14-XLS GEN. 3 THIN-FILMED WHITE PHOSPHOR MNVD (ELBIT USA TUBE) compare to the the 4G ECHO High Performance Gen 2 White pvs-14 that i ordeded on 3/31 and shipped yesterday from tvnc ?
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Posted: 7/3/2020 8:54:07 AM EDT
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Order in. Now we wait
 Man, this year caught me so flat footed. This will finally round out my gear, just in time for the troubles in Nov 
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Posted: 7/3/2020 8:54:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So how do the NGI/PVS-14-XLS GEN. 3 THIN-FILMED WHITE PHOSPHOR MNVD (ELBIT USA TUBE) compare to the the 4G ECHO High Performance Gen 2 White pvs-14 that i ordeded on 3/31 and shipped yesterday from tvnc ? All depends on the specs you get. The gen 3 will be better in low light though. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 9:21:58 AM EDT
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Just bought. Very happy with the wait.
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Posted: 7/3/2020 9:29:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They range in specs, basically these are tubes that you order on a Gamble from ESA. Some may be killer and some may be OMINI V level. All failed MIL testing for some reason either blems, specs etc. how do I know this, because I sell NV and can order these exact tubes. Even if you end up with omni v tubes that is still a great deal. Where else are you going to find a brand new Elbit white unit with warranty and Carson glass for that price? No where |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 9:36:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like you can’t order by phone until Monday. Maybe one of the TNVC guys on here can take my rnvg order today ? I really want to use my two cash rewards credit cards as it will give me $200 cash back... but if I don’t hear anything by noon I’ll just pay with the debit card from the website.Is there a reason to order by phone? I placed the order through their site. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 9:40:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, fixed bridge versus articulating are the main distinction between the NGI/RNVG-XLS and the NGI/DTNVG-XLS. The fixed bridge system does not, however, mean that they can’t be adjusted, only that the bridge is fixed in place, allowing you to make horizontal interpupillary distance (IPD) adjustments on a single plane using a worm dial on either side of the bridge. Articulating goggle designs are adjusted for IPD by means of rotating the optical pod around a hinge, meaning that you are adjust on two axes (horizontal and vertical) as you adjust for IPD. It mostly comes down to personal preference between the two. ~Augee Excellent thank you! I’ll be popping on a set 
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Posted: 7/3/2020 9:56:37 AM EDT
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Those are pretty awesome prices. The mins are kind of meh but still great price.
The real question is do I get the dual tubes or pick up the 14s I swear this place costs me so much money haha... |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:03:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are pretty awesome prices. The mins are kind of meh but still great price. The real question is do I get the dual tubes or pick up the 14s I swear this place costs me so much money haha... I grappled with this a lot. But in the end, I decided if I got a 14, I'd eventually want duals. I figured to go with "buy once cry once." Granted, I didn't go full crazy and get $8000 DTNVGs or something..but $5500 is still a large purchase for me. Might as well get pretty much exactly what I want rather than backtrack later. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:06:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a reason to order by phone? I placed the order through their site. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like you can’t order by phone until Monday. Maybe one of the TNVC guys on here can take my rnvg order today ? I really want to use my two cash rewards credit cards as it will give me $200 cash back... but if I don’t hear anything by noon I’ll just pay with the debit card from the website.Is there a reason to order by phone? I placed the order through their site. Read my post again... hint.. multiple forms of payment  Sam reached out and I can order through email. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:10:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if you end up with omni v tubes that is still a great deal. Where else are you going to find a brand new Elbit white unit with warranty and Carson glass for that price? No where Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They range in specs, basically these are tubes that you order on a Gamble from ESA. Some may be killer and some may be OMINI V level. All failed MIL testing for some reason either blems, specs etc. how do I know this, because I sell NV and can order these exact tubes. Even if you end up with omni v tubes that is still a great deal. Where else are you going to find a brand new Elbit white unit with warranty and Carson glass for that price? No where I agree it’s a good deal. Wish my tube order would ship so I could match it. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:13:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read my post again... hint.. multiple forms of payment Sam reached out and I can order through email. Gotcha I didn't know if there was some ARF-specific deal they were running. Also popped for a set of RNVGs. The last monocular I purchased was ~12 or 13 years ago, and it's an older ITT 6015 nightquest. I'm assuming these will blow that away. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:16:08 AM EDT
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Awesome price! But, it seems like a gamble as you'll get a tube with at least one spec that will be out of whack. Will it be something that matters, who knows? Like others have mentioned, some people have to get the stinker tubes with low OMNI V specs. With my luck, I'll be that guy! It's still fun to gamble though and the price is right!
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:17:47 AM EDT
[#18]
4 to 5 week wait for rejected mil-spec tubes?
Nah, I'll pass. Sometimes it's worth spending more for things. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:22:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome price! But, it seems like a gamble as you'll get a tube with at least one spec that will be out of whack. Will it be something that matters, who knows? Like others have mentioned, some people have to get the stinker tubes with low OMNI V specs. With my luck, I'll be that guy! It's still fun to gamble though and the price is right! I would guess they will try to match the tubes, so you might get two out of whack tubes. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:25:02 AM EDT
[#20]
Ordered
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:29:01 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 to 5 week wait for rejected mil-spec tubes? Nah, I'll pass. Sometimes it's worth spending more for things. Looks like that's only on the DTNVGs. The other ones say allow 2-4 days for processing, but looks like they're in stock. Correct me if I'm wrong? |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:32:45 AM EDT
[#22]
RNVGs ordered
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:35:46 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like that's only on the DTNVGs. The other ones say allow 2-4 days for processing, but looks like they're in stock. Correct me if I'm wrong? Says for in stock units. Everything says available on back order. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:51:25 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Says for in stock units. Everything says available on back order. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like that's only on the DTNVGs. The other ones say allow 2-4 days for processing, but looks like they're in stock. Correct me if I'm wrong? Says for in stock units. Everything says available on back order. We had units in stock ready to ship, but those are all spoken for so if you didnt jump on them at midnight last night please allow a few weeks for the order to process and ship. I am actually headed out to CA to beef up the production and help out with builds and decrease the build times. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 10:53:06 AM EDT
[#25]
Ordered RNVG’s
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:00:06 AM EDT
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It says that hand select isn't an option at this time. Would this be something that would be able to be done later on?
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:03:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It says that hand select isn't an option at this time. Would this be something that would be able to be done later on? We are not offering hand select on Elbit systems, if you want the hand select option then that is where the L3H tubes come in and thats is one thing you are paying for. we also cannot sell to Canadians. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:10:04 AM EDT
[#28]
well i finally ordered my first night vision the ngi/pvs 14s.now i will have to get a laser and helmet to justify this
this is one thing i had regretted not getting especially after the last couple of months
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:24:16 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We had units in stock ready to ship, but those are all spoken for so if you didnt jump on them at midnight last night please allow a few weeks for the order to process and ship. I am actually headed out to CA to beef up the production and help out with builds and decrease the build times. Curious how fast you guys sold out of the in-stock units. I placed my order at 1:30 AM and thought that was jumping the gun on a relatively big purchase.  |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:24:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would guess they will try to match the tubes, so you might get two out of whack tubes. @Iam4 is everything you say retarded? |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:31:53 AM EDT
[#31]
Holy fuck ordered some RNVGs. Thanks TNVC (and Sam for answering my questions)!
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:42:15 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Iam4 is everything you say retarded? Yes some times Am I wrong to think if you bought binos with the xls tube that would try to match the 2 tubes in it, even if both where on the lower side of the spec. I cant see them putting a 72 line 28 snr tube with a 64 21 snr tube in the same bino. @tlandoe07 |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:45:27 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes some times Am I wrong to think if you bought binos with the xls tube that would try to match the 2 tubes in it, even if both where on the lower side of the spec. I cant see them putting a 72 line 28 snr tube with a 64 21 snr tube in the same bino. @tlandoe07 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @Iam4 is everything you say retarded? Yes some times Am I wrong to think if you bought binos with the xls tube that would try to match the 2 tubes in it, even if both where on the lower side of the spec. I cant see them putting a 72 line 28 snr tube with a 64 21 snr tube in the same bino. @tlandoe07 TO clarify I am talking about if you ordered binos not 2 seperate pvs14's |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:54:28 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Curious how fast you guys sold out of the in-stock units. I placed my order at 1:30 AM and thought that was jumping the gun on a relatively big purchase. 00:04
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:56:55 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes some times Am I wrong to think if you bought binos with the xls tube that would try to match the 2 tubes in it, even if both where on the lower side of the spec. I cant see them putting a 72 line 28 snr tube with a 64 21 snr tube in the same bino. @tlandoe07 You said you’d be getting “two out of whack” tubes. That doesn’t make any sense if they were matched |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 12:22:51 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: well i finally ordered my first night vision the ngi/pvs 14s.now i will have to get a laser and helmet to justify this this is one thing i had regretted not getting especially after the last couple of monthsCongrats! I am in Western NC--holler at me if you have any questions about anything. Hopefully doing a no light shoot in September out this way. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 12:32:00 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You said you’d be getting “two out of whack” tubes. That doesn’t make any sense if they were matched Quote HistoryQuoted: You said you’d be getting “two out of whack” tubes. That doesn’t make any sense if they were matched Okay I see what you you mean, What I typed is what I typed. What I meant was using the words "out of whack" was a very low spec tubes, ie "out of whack" from the average. Not "out of whack" from each other. I just re read his post, I still take it as "out of whack" from averages. Awesome price! But, it seems like a gamble as you'll get a tube with at least one spec that will be out of whack. Will it be something that matters, who knows? Like others have mentioned, some people have to get the stinker tubes with low OMNI V specs. With my luck, I'll be that guy! It's still fun to gamble though and the price is right! Edit example being a tube with a halo of 7, huge and out of whack from normal avaerages |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 12:48:16 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay I see what you you mean, What I typed is what I typed. What I meant was using the words "out of whack" was a very low spec tubes, ie "out of whack" from the average. Not "out of whack" from each other. I just re read his post, I still take it as "out of whack" from averages. Edit example being a tube with a halo of 7, huge and out of whack from normal avaerages It’s not out of whack if it’s within spec. I’d the XLSH spec allowed for 7mm halos, that would be in spec for that grade of tube. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 12:51:57 PM EDT
[#39]
If you're OK with getting an Omni V spec tube, then you have nothing to worry about.
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Posted: 7/3/2020 1:01:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Curious how fast you guys sold out of the in-stock units. I placed my order at 1:30 AM and thought that was jumping the gun on a relatively big purchase. Also curious...mine was at 1:07
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Posted: 7/3/2020 1:24:37 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also curious...mine was at 1:07 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Curious how fast you guys sold out of the in-stock units. I placed my order at 1:30 AM and thought that was jumping the gun on a relatively big purchase. Also curious...mine was at 1:07 No bullshit probably the quoted 4 sec |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 1:27:25 PM EDT
[#42]
This should help. Minimums on the white board
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Posted: 7/3/2020 1:49:03 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Curious how fast you guys sold out of the in-stock units. I placed my order at 1:30 AM and thought that was jumping the gun on a relatively big purchase. We sold out earlier this morning of all inventory, and posted the backorder notices as quickly as possible in response. We knew these were going to be popular units, but we've been overwhelmed by even our most optimistic projections (in a good way!) by the response to these units. For those that have been asking as well, I may be biased, but I look at it this way (and set the pricing with this in mind): $2,400-ish for an OMNI V-ish PVS-14 is a decent price on the used market, and they're usually not WP. Same thing for $5,800 RNVGs or $6,800 DTNVGs. These units are new, with our Lifetime Limited Warranty, known quantities--so you choices, depending on what tube you get are "good deal" at the low end, or "outrageous deal" at the high end. If you're willing to take a little bit of a risk between "great" and "outrageous," these new Night Goggles systems are your jam. If you still want the highest quality MIL-SPEC tubes and the ability to hand-select and tailor the tube specs to exactly what your specific needs or desires are? TNVC's still got your back--nothing about our highest quality MIL-SPEC units has changed. And for those that have asked: The sale is the introductory pricing on these units. These Night Goggles systems are NOT going away, they're a new product line that will be exclusive to Night Goggles, Inc. from now into perpetuity at their normal price. This way customers have more options and at more price brackets to get exactly the experience they want! And finally, and P.S., since there seems to be some confusion here as well: all Night Goggles bino systems are matched and collimated, just the same as a MIL-SPEC TNVC unit. ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 2:07:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We had units in stock ready to ship, but those are all spoken for so if you didnt jump on them at midnight last night please allow a few weeks for the order to process and ship. I am actually headed out to CA to beef up the production and help out with builds and decrease the build times. @TNVC_Sam I hesitated last night and midnight. My wife informed me that was foolish, so I just put my order in. Thanks for this great deal. And thank you guys for supporting this site. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 2:09:40 PM EDT
[#45]
I fent. Ordered a pair of DTNVGs. I was somewhat on the fence about potentially getting lower-than-ideal performing tubes, but I have a suspicion that things will still look pretty awesome when they’re in front of my face, coming from only having used a GP PVS-14.
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Posted: 7/3/2020 2:29:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Coming from someone looking for binos in the $5-6k range. This is awesome news to me, but I am also looking at the Photonis 4G Echos:
I'm a little stuck on the min/max specs - IN THEORY, I could place an order and get something that just happen to suck in a lot of categories. In this case, I could have a spent about the same and gotten Photonis with better specs. On the flip side, I could place an order and get something that is top of the line, but just happens to have 6 tiny blemishes instead of 4 and i'd be golden. So ultimately, its a matter of if i want to roll the dice with these or play it safe and get a Photonis with known specs. Is all that correct? |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 2:38:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if you end up with omni v tubes that is still a great deal. Where else are you going to find a brand new Elbit white unit with warranty and Carson glass for that price? No where Huge^ tnvc isn’t skimping on the components. Getting a solid WP unit, with 10yr/lifetime warranty. For a killer price. These prices are better than some of the used market prices for used tubes... |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 2:40:35 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Coming from someone looking for binos in the $5-6k range. This is awesome news to me, but I am also looking at the Photonis 4G Echos: I'm a little stuck on the min/max specs - IN THEORY, I could place an order and get something that just happen to suck in a lot of categories. In this case, I could have a spent about the same and gotten Photonis with better specs. On the flip side, I could place an order and get something that is top of the line, but just happens to have 6 tiny blemishes instead of 4 and i'd be golden. So ultimately, its a matter of if i want to roll the dice with these or play it safe and get a Photonis with known specs. Is all that correct? More or less, and Night Goggles still does have Photonis ECHO tubes available for systems if you'd be interested in one of those. Regarding the specs, however, as I posted in one of the other threads: While we prefer not to discuss "typicals" because there's a certain contract spec--yes, most of the tubes exceed those minimum specs, and many by a very wide margin. However, in the interests of full transparency and disclosure, we're not going to cherry pick or dissemble about what the potential minimums could be (and anyways, they'll be plain for all to see when they get their factory data records with their units). Also, remember that each of those minimums should be viewed in isolation--minimum tube specs don't necessarily mean that you're likely to ever get a tube with every spec at the minimum, yes, it's theoretically possible, however it's statistically unlikely--those minimum specs are individual tolerances for each spec, and any one of them could be the reason for failing MIL-SPECs, or the specs (some microscopic or virtually unnoticeable, like an 11769/9415 with a slightly out of tolerance center image shift, which is not a big deal on a PVS-14, only if you're trying to collimate a binocular device with a pair of these tubes--all of the Night Goggles binocular systems are collimated according to MIL-SPEC tolerances) that disqualify them from MIL-SPECs might not even be among the ones listed on the spec sheet. At the end of the day, IMHO, the price for duals of these Night Goggles XLS systems is still a "good deal" even on a used set with similar lower spec tubes with no provenance or warranty and probably no spec sheets, so the dice you're rolling for is essentially between "good deal" and "amazing deal," not "good deal/bad deal." ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 3:21:55 PM EDT
[#49]
Gateway drug...
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Posted: 7/3/2020 3:50:44 PM EDT
[#50]
Got an email stating my order has a 2-4 day lead time...I may have squeaked by
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