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Posted: 6/26/2007 8:08:37 AM EDT
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In my opinion... (free internet advice, worth what you paid for it), I'd fill out the new Form 4 with nothing in that section. I will bet is gets approved that way.
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Posted: 6/26/2007 8:16:00 AM EDT
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FWIW, I would fill out a new Form 4 with the following wording in section "h" deleting reference to a particular host:
Trigger Housing is Serial Numbered and does not require receiver modification. Will be used in several different host 10/22 receivers. I would then submit the Form 4 package with a cover letter stating that when you purchased this registered trigger pack, it was installed in receiver SN 110-xxxxx but that you intend to use it in other host 10/22s, and requesting acknowledgment of this. As soon as an examiner is assigned to the transfer, give him/her a call, make sure the cover letter reached them, and explain the situation. |
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Posted: 6/26/2007 8:54:20 AM EDT
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Thanks for the advise. I did talk with Howard about this (M60Howard) and he thought that this is something that I can always just send a letter to the BATFE about later if I want or need to change hosts BUT it is a PITA as I have two completely different setups I want to be able to use the trigger pack with so this does make a lot of sense. I did confirm however that when John Norrell did the original transfer to the first owner that it was on his Form 4 like this... |
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Posted: 6/26/2007 9:03:35 AM EDT
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It shouldn't matter if the original transfer was listed like that. Tony K gives excellent advice!
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Posted: 6/26/2007 9:23:26 AM EDT
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One more issue while I update the forums. The original paperwork also lists a Barrel Length and an Overall Length. I am going to have both of these replaced with N/A as clearly a trigger housing does not have a barrel and the overall length (about 3-inches) is not what is intended.
I need to verify what my LL paperworks says but I am pretty sure it has NA's in these locations. The worst that can happen is the BATFE sends me the forms back and I tried... |
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Posted: 6/26/2007 10:30:36 AM EDT
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I would "N/A" those, too. As you said, a trigger pack has no barrel, and O/A length is irrelevant. The only reason it might get bounced is because SBR and SBS Form 1's are now usually rejected without those dimensions, and the examiner might go into "auto" mode and bounce yours as well, out of habit. If that happens, remind them that that policy is because length is the determining factor in what is or is not an SBR/SBS, and such requirements do not apply to MGs. |
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Posted: 6/26/2007 10:56:20 AM EDT
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Well, the letter is in the mail with a corrected copy of the forms... we will see?
Yea, it is a Corp gun  |
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Posted: 6/28/2007 7:40:18 PM EDT
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Who is the MFG on your form 4?
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Posted: 6/29/2007 4:00:34 AM EDT
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Norrell Arms Inc
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Posted: 6/29/2007 12:33:48 PM EDT
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The Form 4 for my own Norrell trigger pack does not list any specific host gun, barrel length, or overall length.
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Posted: 6/29/2007 12:42:48 PM EDT
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Good to kow... Did he have anything in 4(h) on your form? Like I said, my forms are on the way so I just have to see what happens now... |
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Posted: 7/2/2007 5:23:47 AM EDT
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My Norrell trigger pak (That' the way John spells it), lists S&H Arms as the manuf., of the auto sear, not Norrell Arms. I'm pretty sure it's right, because I bought it NOS fro John himself.
Lengths are both n/a. |
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Posted: 7/2/2007 6:42:22 PM EDT
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I have bought two from John over the years. Both H blocks are blank. |
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Posted: 7/2/2007 8:00:20 PM EDT
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The purpose of putting the host gun SN in the 4(h) block is so you do not have to take your pack apart to prove the sear matches the F4. The theory is if you are questioned about the legality of your sear, you can show your host gun SN is on the F4, you will be left alone. Note that 4(h) states: "Additional Description or Data Appearing on Firearm" Well the host gun SN is not "Additional Description or Data Appearing on Firearm", as the "firearm" in question is the sear. But people use that space to add comments. |
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Posted: 7/3/2007 6:24:02 AM EDT
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Yea, I know but in my case the rifle as it is configred has a Norrell integral supressor and I am planning to take the full-auto trigger pack out of this gun and use it in a Krinker plinker setup. I could have moved the receiver over to build the plinker but the receiver and supressor were refinished in Norrell's Molycoat so there is not a good reason to split them if I can avoid it.
Once I get the trigger pack and put some money back in the bank, I plan to register the receiver I use to build the Krinker as a SBR so I can move the trigger pack between any of my three Ruger 10/22s. My third 10/22 is a stock looking 10/22 with a 16-inch Tac-Innovations threaded barrel that I use in semiauto with a TAC-65 to address pests close to other houses! Just trying to cover all my bases incase the Ruger 10/22 shows up in a future crime bill! For about $150/ea I plan to buy two more 10/22s to have spares before the next elections as a $9000 trigger pack with no gun to use it in would really suck when the guns are so cheap! I have a lifetime supply of good mags. |
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Posted: 7/3/2007 9:02:50 AM EDT
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It is not easy to move your trigger pack in and out of a Krinker-Plinker. You have to really take it apart. |
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Posted: 7/5/2007 5:32:01 AM EDT
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Well, my check ($800 worth of taxes) has cleared on July 2nd. Now, may I ask how a person can call the examiner? Should I bother or trust that if they have a question they will let me know? I work with the FDA on a daily basis and my experience tells me that some people like to be contacted while others would take offense. I think I am going to let this go and see if I run into problems. I am not in a huge rush to get the trigger pack but I do hope that if there are any issues it does not delay the transfer of my two supressors and my SBR Mini UZI. |
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Posted: 7/5/2007 10:26:31 AM EDT
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I would recommend you just forget about it and wait. Contemporary transfer times are much better than years ago.
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Posted: 7/5/2007 10:39:00 AM EDT
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I do not understand the need to call, unless it has been weeks and your check is not cashed, and you want to make sure they got it. Since yours cleared, you are G2G. |
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Posted: 8/14/2007 5:56:49 AM EDT
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Just a quick follow-up, my Form 4 was approved with the suggested changes so I do not have a receiver serial number listed on my Form 4 for my Trigger Pack (it does have the serial number that is engraved onto the Norrell Trigger Pack obviously).
Thanks again for the suggestion! I have not got to take it to the range yet but I did dump 25-rds through her and wow is this going to be a fun gun! The rate of fire is much slower then I expected (compared to the M16 or UZI with 22 conversions) but that is a good thing! |
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Posted: 8/14/2007 12:13:23 PM EDT
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How much does a Norrell pack cost now?
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Posted: 8/14/2007 1:01:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2007 1:42:29 PM EDT
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Last I can remember around $8500. I think John was releasing small batches for this price & they sold in a blink. |
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Posted: 8/14/2007 5:25:08 PM EDT
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The last set he released were $10,000 and they sold in under 3-days as I had read. I paid $10k for mine as part of a complete gun w/ Norrell supressor |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 5:27:54 PM EDT
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Wow! - I missed that batch. These are going up faster than most other MGs. I bought mine 2-years ago this month - complete Norrell with integral suppressed barrel all SS that was new (never transferred from the SOT to the first owner) - for $6500. I thought that was too high. Where have we heard that before - |
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Posted: 8/16/2007 5:33:44 AM EDT
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You did pay too much
I never thought they were worth as much as an AR-15 RR until I moved down near Philli PA were I can't shoot full auto 223 anymore. I also had the ciener kits for the RR in the past and when the mags/kit work they are great but the kits are just not all that reliable. The Norrell trigger pack seems like the ultimate 22 MG and I wish I had not put off the purchase so many years that I too could have paid to much back when they were only $6500  At least I purchased before they cost $15,000 
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