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Posted: 8/28/2010 3:43:27 PM EDT
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I went to the gunshow today and saw an SBR that I liked. It was marked with the manufacturers info on the side of the magazine well. If I understand the regulations correctly, I can modify anything EXCEPT the serial number of the gun.
Now, what I have in mind is to refinish the gun, remark the gun and re-engrave the manufacturers info (in this case, an LLC who did a form-1 to "make" the SBR) letter for letter, word for word, but in a different location, like inside the trigger guard. Opinions? |
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I don't know the answer to your question, but if you are not familiar with the specific statute I have pasted it below. You may have to contact the technical branch.
§ 479.102 How must firearms be identified? (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows: (1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (i) The model, if such designation has been made; (ii) The caliber or gauge; (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker; (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. (b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases). (c) The Director may authorize other means of identification upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part. (d) In the case of a destructive device, the Director may authorize other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be dangerous or impracticable. (e) A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. (f)(1) Any part defined as a machine gun, muffler, or silencer for the purposes of this part that is not a component part of a complete firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. (2) The Director may authorize other means of identification of parts defined as machine guns other than frames or receivers and parts defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part. (Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 1512–0550) [T.D. ATF–461, 66 FR 40601, Aug. 3, 2001] |
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26 USC 5861, the "Prohibited Acts" Section of the NFA, has paragraph (g):
It shall be unlawful for any person—
(g) to obliterate, remove, change, or alter the serial number or other identification of a firearm required by this chapter; or The identification requirements for Chapter 53 are listed in 26 USC 5842(a): (a) Identification of firearms other than destructive devices
Each manufacturer and importer and anyone making a firearm shall identify each firearm, other than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or made by a serial number which may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer, or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe. So, it would seem that the original maker's info cannot be removed or changed. Marking variances are specifically allowed for in the regulations, so the worst that could happen if you send a letter requesting such is they say no. Well, I guess they could come and shoot your dog. (j/k) |
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Quoted: I went to the gunshow today and saw an SBR that I liked. It was marked with the manufacturers info on the side of the magazine well. If I understand the regulations correctly, I can modify anything EXCEPT the serial number of the gun. Now, what I have in mind is to refinish the gun, remark the gun and re-engrave the manufacturers info (in this case, an LLC who did a form-1 to "make" the SBR) letter for letter, word for word, but in a different location, like inside the trigger guard. Opinions? The SBR is already made, you can't make it again. I'd suggest getting an 80% lower, finishing it, having it marked with whatever markings you want, where you want them, registering it via Form 1, then buying the upper you want. |
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I went to the gunshow today and saw an SBR that I liked. It was marked with the manufacturers info on the side of the magazine well. If I understand the regulations correctly, I can modify anything EXCEPT the serial number of the gun. Now, what I have in mind is to refinish the gun, remark the gun and re-engrave the manufacturers info (in this case, an LLC who did a form-1 to "make" the SBR) letter for letter, word for word, but in a different location, like inside the trigger guard. Opinions? The SBR is already made, you can't make it again. I'd suggest getting an 80% lower, finishing it, having it marked with whatever markings you want, where you want them, registering it via Form 1, then buying the upper you want. In this particular case, it's a Sig i'm interested in. I don't care for the way the "manufacturer" put his LLC info on the gun and I just wanted to move it to another location on the gun. I'm not wanting to re-make the gun, or change anything else. |
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I went to the gunshow today and saw an SBR that I liked. It was marked with the manufacturers info on the side of the magazine well. If I understand the regulations correctly, I can modify anything EXCEPT the serial number of the gun. Now, what I have in mind is to refinish the gun, remark the gun and re-engrave the manufacturers info (in this case, an LLC who did a form-1 to "make" the SBR) letter for letter, word for word, but in a different location, like inside the trigger guard. Opinions? You cannot generally remove or alter the required manufacturer's markings (serial, name, location), but can do anything you want to any other, extraneous markings. To relocate or re-engrave the required markings, you need a written variance letter from the ATF to stay legal. The C2's SBR markings are required, just like the original SIG markings, and will require a variance letter to relocate. |
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