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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Mags at Springfield Armory (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/15/2009 11:21:02 AM EDT
| FYI, I was sniffing around the store on Springfield Armory's website and came across SAR 4800 mags in the M1A section (bottom of the mags page under M1A). They're on sale for $13.30 each right now, so I thought what the hell and ordered a few. Got them last night, opened the box today during lunch. Appear to be new Israeli FAL mags with the black finish, Hebrew markings, and parked followers packed in the cosmoline and brown paper. |
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the website says the mags will only work with the sar, is that accurate? The SAR is an Imbel FAL marketed by Springfield in the late 80s and early 90s. ETA: Pretty sure the reason Springfield has that note on their is that theses mags are listed under the M1A section and they just don't want anyone buying these thinking they're for the M1A. Mags appear to be brand new and unused, though the packing slip reads "used excellent." My guess is they bought them by the bulk load way back when as surplus so they just call them used excelllent like DSA did with the parked STG mags. ETA: They come in four packs smothered in cosmoline and wrapped in brown wax paper with a packing slip in Hebrew. Mine has a 1977 date code on it, so I'm going to bet they're unused, just real old stock. |
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Their website even specifically says that those mags are "Legal Under Crime Bill." 
Have you tried calling them to ask? Yup, had a nice 20 minute call with Vickie Lawrence, a Customer Service Manager. She said it was the lawyers "upstairs" (  ) that have said no to ANY preban hi-cap mags to NY State. She then sent this gem of an email to me.
SA has gone Full Retard. I'm small potatoes for them, but my money is as green as someone's in PA, VA, or OH and its completely legal and with the economy like it is, I'd surely want all the business I could get for my companies bottom line... F––k Springfield Armory. I was looking at getting a SA EMP 1911 for my wife for CCW purposes. Not any more. 
ETA: from Vickie Lawrence <[email protected]> to [email protected] date Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:54 AM subject 20 round mags mailed-byspringfield-armory.com hide details 11:54 AM (9 hours ago) Hi luvBUSHmaster, Thank you for your order. Unfortunately, Springfield Armory company policy does not allow us to ship 20 round magazines to New York. Thank you for your continued interest in Springfield Armory products! Enjoy the day! Vickie L. Springfield Armory 420 West Main Street Geneseo, IL 61254 800-680-6866 |
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I think the feeling is that the Belgians, Steyrs, Imbels, Israelis are all GTG. This, Israelis are kind of tight in my guns. Steyrs are my fav Thanks guys. BTW I went on DSA's web site after asking here, and where the used mags are they say they are out, but they are coming out with some made by them in 20/25/30 rounds. Hopefully they will run good. |
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Supposedly there are some of the new DSA 20 rd variety floating around out there already. I think one member here got some a while back. But, I haven't read anything about whether or not they're any good. They had some feeding/feed lip issues per some reviews over on FAL Files. I was cleaning out some files today and I found an invoice from DSA, for $6 Steyr mags 
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Figures. I just can't understand how modern American maufacturers can fuck up something that was perfected 50 years ago. And I constantly read of guys waiting 6-8 months for one of DSA's rifles, and have seen more than a couple bitch about issues with them. I see decent deals on FALs all over the place....why wait 8 months (and pay hundreds more) for something that won't operate any better than a well put-together kit? Should probably be prepared to get roasted for those comments, but I honestly don't get it. |
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Figures. I just can't understand how modern American maufacturers can fuck up something that was perfected 50 years ago. And I constantly read of guys waiting 6-8 months for one of DSA's rifles, and have seen more than a couple bitch about issues with them. I see decent deals on FALs all over the place....why wait 8 months (and pay hundreds more) for something that won't operate any better than a well put-together kit? Should probably be prepared to get roasted for those comments, but I honestly don't get it. No kidding. I put together an STG-58 before I knew what I was doing, and it is all I could want in a rifle. Accurate, headspace good, function perfect. How could a factory rifle be better? |
The four I ordered just showed up. Condition is as described in the original post. If these are used they put them in guns made of cotton and down feathers.
Cleaned the outside of one off real quick and it fits perfectly in both of my DSA rifles. No time for a range visit today to function test. |
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Looking forward to a range report. What's the finish on these? Mine had a black painted-on enamel finish. FAL mag FAQ. |
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I've scanned the thread a couple of times, but I can't see a clear answer on this: Will the SAR 4800 mags work in a DSA STG58? (NOTE: Also conducted ARFCOM obligatory search using term 'mag' in the FAL forum.) They are Israeli Metric mags (I just got a dozen in the mail yesterday) so YES they will work in your STG58 Also, if they'd ever been issued to anyone, I'll eat my hat. |
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I've scanned the thread a couple of times, but I can't see a clear answer on this: Will the SAR 4800 mags work in a DSA STG58? (NOTE: Also conducted ARFCOM obligatory search using term 'mag' in the FAL forum.) They are Israeli Metric mags (I just got a dozen in the mail yesterday) so YES they will work in your STG58 Also, if they'd ever been issued to anyone, I'll eat my hat. Cool! Thanks therex. I should receive the STG58 next week, and will go ahead and orders some mags. |
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i just got my four in today...look great. I have some I bought several yrs ago that are identical, (markings, cosmoline and all) (from DSA I think). They fit and have worked great for years. I'm glad jumped on them. Now, I need to stock up on BHP mags...mecgar here I come.. aaaaaaaaaaaah!
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id order some but they wana fuck us in NY over hard so I cant.
Sorry SA, but fuck it. Id buy 5-10 mags, guess I need to take my business elsewhere. Again small potatoes, but dont expect me to be buying any other their other stuff. Legal under the crime bill! But wont ship to NY. Riiiiiiiiight. Fuckin idiots. Gets annoying when its vendor after vendor, same old story. Old hat. |
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id order some but they wana fuck us in NY over hard so I cant. Sorry SA, but fuck it. Id buy 5-10 mags, guess I need to take my business elsewhere. Again small potatoes, but dont expect me to be buying any other their other stuff. Legal under the crime bill! But wont ship to NY. Riiiiiiiiight. Fuckin idiots. Gets annoying when its vendor after vendor, same old story. Old hat. You aren't getting fucked, and certainly not by Springfield. If you want to blame anyone, blame your state lawmakers and the twats who elected them. Quite frankly, although it's a bummer for you guys, I don't blame any vendor who won't ship to NYwith that asshat Bloomberg and some of his shenanigans. |
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id order some but they wana fuck us in NY over hard so I cant. Sorry SA, but fuck it. Id buy 5-10 mags, guess I need to take my business elsewhere. Again small potatoes, but dont expect me to be buying any other their other stuff. Legal under the crime bill! But wont ship to NY. Riiiiiiiiight. Fuckin idiots. Gets annoying when its vendor after vendor, same old story. Old hat. You aren't getting fucked, and certainly not by Springfield. If you want to blame anyone, blame your state lawmakers and the twats who elected them. Quite frankly, although it's a bummer for you guys, I don't blame any vendor who won't ship to NYwith that asshat Bloomberg and some of his shenanigans. Bloomberg is the Mayor of NYC, he doesn't have any authority outside of his fiefdom. The same asshats that brought us the NY AWB were of the same mindset of the US Legislature that brought EVERYONE the FEDERAL AWB from 94'-04'. You guys lucked out that you had a sunset provision on the Fed ban and that your respective states didn't take it as far as getting a State ban that mirrors the Federal Law like NY did back then. And I mean luck, pure gosh darn luck of the draw that your State Legislature didn't push for their own state ban, because very few people did didilly shit for working to stop the Fed AWB from passage and had your State's ridden on the tide of popular views back then in late 93' to early 94' and passed a State AWB you'd be in the same boat as us. |
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id order some but they wana fuck us in NY over hard so I cant. Sorry SA, but fuck it. Id buy 5-10 mags, guess I need to take my business elsewhere. Again small potatoes, but dont expect me to be buying any other their other stuff. Legal under the crime bill! But wont ship to NY. Riiiiiiiiight. Fuckin idiots. Gets annoying when its vendor after vendor, same old story. Old hat. You aren't getting fucked, and certainly not by Springfield. If you want to blame anyone, blame your state lawmakers and the twats who elected them. Quite frankly, although it's a bummer for you guys, I don't blame any vendor who won't ship to NYwith that asshat Bloomberg and some of his shenanigans. Bloomberg is the Mayor of NYC, he doesn't have any authority outside of his fiefdom. The same asshats that brought us the NY AWB were of the same mindset of the US Legislature that brought EVERYONE the FEDERAL AWB from 94'-04'. You guys lucked out that you had a sunset provision on the Fed ban and that your respective states didn't take it as far as getting a State ban that mirrors the Federal Law like NY did back then. And I mean luck, pure gosh darn luck of the draw that your State Legislature didn't push for their own state ban, because very few people did didilly shit for working to stop the Fed AWB from passage and had your State's ridden on the tide of popular views back then in late 93' to early 94' and passed a State AWB you'd be in the same boat as us. You're naively mistaken if you think he has no influence outside NYC. He has sent detectives to conduct investigations and harass gun businesses in other states. I personally know two such businesses in South Carolina that were under lawsuit for years by the City of NY while he tried to put them out of business. As for luck, not really. This year, citizens in my current state, Virginia, elected a pro-2nd Governor who previously as the State AG stopped Bloomberg's antics in our state; as well as a pro-2nd Deputy Gov, AG, and other legislators. If you think this is by luck, you're again mistaken, it's by the will of a majority of citizens who don't want fooilish laws restricting their rights. |
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id order some but they wana fuck us in NY over hard so I cant. Sorry SA, but fuck it. Id buy 5-10 mags, guess I need to take my business elsewhere. Again small potatoes, but dont expect me to be buying any other their other stuff. Legal under the crime bill! But wont ship to NY. Riiiiiiiiight. Fuckin idiots. Gets annoying when its vendor after vendor, same old story. Old hat. You aren't getting fucked, and certainly not by Springfield. If you want to blame anyone, blame your state lawmakers and the twats who elected them. Quite frankly, although it's a bummer for you guys, I don't blame any vendor who won't ship to NYwith that asshat Bloomberg and some of his shenanigans. Bloomberg is the Mayor of NYC, he doesn't have any authority outside of his fiefdom. The same asshats that brought us the NY AWB were of the same mindset of the US Legislature that brought EVERYONE the FEDERAL AWB from 94'-04'. You guys lucked out that you had a sunset provision on the Fed ban and that your respective states didn't take it as far as getting a State ban that mirrors the Federal Law like NY did back then. And I mean luck, pure gosh darn luck of the draw that your State Legislature didn't push for their own state ban, because very few people did didilly shit for working to stop the Fed AWB from passage and had your State's ridden on the tide of popular views back then in late 93' to early 94' and passed a State AWB you'd be in the same boat as us. You're naively mistaken if you think he has no influence outside NYC. He has sent detectives to conduct investigations and harass gun businesses in other states. I personally know two such businesses in South Carolina that were under lawsuit for years by the City of NY while he tried to put them out of business. As for luck, not really. This year, citizens in my current state, Virginia, elected a pro-2nd Governor who previously as the State AG stopped Bloomberg's antics in our state; as well as a pro-2nd Deputy Gov, AG, and other legislators. If you think this is by luck, you're again mistaken, it's by the will of a majority of citizens who don't want fooilish laws restricting their rights. LOL, I'm not naive, I'm well aware of what he has tried in Virginia as well as some other Southern-Eastern Seaboard states, and he has gotten his little bitty pee-pee smacked for overstepping his bounds in regards to illegal straw purchases incurring the "interest" of the BATFE. As far as his lawsuits, they are frivolous and everyone anywhere is open to such non-sense. Anyone can pretty much be sued for pretty much anything. Because he throws about BS CIVIL lawsuits in other states doesn't mean he has arrest authority or anyway to legally detain or arrest anyone outside of his fiefdom, He has zero authority outside NYC and your just playing into his tyrants attitude by propogating the notion of him having influence outside NYC. |
| Quick heads up for you guys who have not dealt with the Izzy mags before. That cosmoline is pretty thick on the INSIDE of the mags also. FWIW, I've always taken the mags apart and sprayed them good with aerosol brake cleaner,(1 can will do about 10 mags) wiped off the springs and toothbrushed the inner bodies and followers where needed. Let them dry, then I coat the springs and inside with a VERY light coat of CLP. |
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LOL, I'm not naive, I'm well aware of what he has tried in Virginia as well as some other Southern-Eastern Seaboard states, and he has gotten his little bitty pee-pee smacked for overstepping his bounds in regards to illegal straw purchases incurring the "interest" of the BATFE. As far as his lawsuits, they are frivolous and everyone anywhere is open to such non-sense. Anyone can pretty much be sued for pretty much anything. Because he throws about BS CIVIL lawsuits in other states doesn't mean he has arrest authority or anyway to legally detain or arrest anyone outside of his fiefdom, He has zero authority outside NYC and your just playing into his tyrants attitude by propogating the notion of him having influence outside NYC. I'll tell the guys I know who have spent many thoudsands of dollars fighting his lawsuits that you said they're frivalous and that he doesn't have any influence anywhere outside of NYC.
The bottom line is, it's not worth the potential hassles for most businesses to deal with customers in NY and other "ban" states. I don't like it either, but I also don't blame them. |
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Quick heads up for you guys who have not dealt with the Izzy mags before. That cosmoline is pretty thick on the INSIDE of the mags also. FWIW, I've always taken the mags apart and sprayed them good with aerosol brake cleaner,(1 can will do about 10 mags) wiped off the springs and toothbrushed the inner bodies and followers where needed. Let them dry, then I coat the springs and inside with a VERY light coat of CLP. Very true! They are caked in it. |
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Got mine in last Tuesday, 7 days after I ordered, look to be never issued. They were wrapped in wax paper and cosmoline. Braved the cold this morning (well, cold for TENN.) and put 200 rounds through the 7 I bought, no problems at all. They fell free clean and smooth when empty, and no FTF or FTE problems. I plan on ordering 10 more if they still have them. Getting the cosmo off was a bit tedious but well worth it. BTW firing through an Imbel if that matters to anyone |
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