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Posted: 10/28/2022 10:31:07 PM EDT
I picked up some of these when at a local reloading shop.
.358.148 grain DEWC.  Attached File.358 158 grain RNFP.  Attached FileI don't have experience or loading data for these specific bullets. Would the be crimped at the...? I'm a bit confused. You do it at the cannelure I know, but on the 148 grain are you seeing them that deep? On the 158 grain would that be the first groove going up from the blue lubed part? Where does one get loading data for this type of bullet? Or is this something that you just figure out with experience? |
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Posted: 10/28/2022 11:40:05 PM EDT
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Use any lead bullet load data, start low and work up.
The 148's are supposed to be that deep.. a good load for those would be approx 2.7-2.8 Bullseye. They are not meant to be driven at high pressure. 700-750 fps is what they are intended for. The 158's can seat at the cannelure as long as you are starting low.. you can also follow reloading manual COAL, but it will be generic. Crimp into that groove, and dont try to max everything, and you should be fine. |
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Posted: 10/28/2022 11:41:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Use any lead bullet load data, start low and work up. The 148's are supposed to be that deep.. a good load for those would be approx 2.7-2.8 Bullseye. They are not meant to be driven at high pressure. 700-750 fps is what they are intended for. The 158's can seat at the cannelure as long as you are starting low.. you can also follow reloading manual COAL, but it will be generic. Crimp into that groove, and dont try to max everything, and you should be fine. Thank you sir. Much appreciated. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 12:30:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: I picked up some of these when at a local reloading shop. .358.148 grain DEWC. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/487285/38-148-dewc_jpg-2579904.JPG .358 158 grain RNFP. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/487285/38-158-rnfp_jpg-2579906.JPG I don't experience or loading data for these specific bullets. Would the be crimped at the...? I'm a bit confused. You do it at the cannelure I know, but on the 148 grain are you seeing them that deep? On the 158 grain would that be the first groove going up from the blue lubed part? Where does one get loading data for this type of bullet? Or is this something that you just figure out with experience? Both of those bullets seat at the crimp grove, so no OAL anxiety should be experienced. Use Hornady data for both. Or Speer, they both make these style of lead bullets.  Notice these wadcutters set completely inside the case, so deep seating is normal for full wadcutters. These bullets are for light target loads, in 38 Special, I use 2.7 grs Bullseye, a classic target load. Your SWC, semi wad cutter, will look more normal seated in the crimp grove.  Like the bottom cartridge in this pic. Actually could have been seated a tad deeper. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 12:54:24 AM EDT
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Lee has data on lead bullets. Thats what I used with 9mm lead Missouri bullets. I was advised to use a jacketed load minus 10% if I couldn't find the Lee data for the powder I had. That worked good when I used Western Powder not listed in the Lee data.
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Posted: 10/29/2022 5:24:37 AM EDT
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2.5 to 2.6 grains of TiteGroup works well with 148's.
I use 3.6 grains of WW-231 with 158's, but I'm using SWC's. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 3:17:35 PM EDT
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Hornady and Speer Data is for SWAGED Bullets. And swaged bullets are way softer than hard cast Missouri Bullets!
Get yourself a copy of Lyman 51st Manual. The Lee Manual is just copied reloading data from other sources not something that they generated. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 10:28:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hornady and Speer Data is for SWAGED Bullets. And swaged bullets are way softer than hard cast Missouri Bullets! Get yourself a copy of Lyman 51st Manual. The Lee Manual is just copied reloading data from other sources not something that they generated. But Lyman 51 would be a better source. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 2:14:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't matter I have used that Speer data for years, it works fine. But Lyman 51 would be a better source. Swaged bullets are not the same as cast bullets. Period! The Lyman manual is the gold standard handgun loading data. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 10:15:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Swaged bullets are not the same as cast bullets. Period! The Lyman manual is the gold standard handgun loading data. But I have used the load data for swaged bullets for cast bullets. It works fine. The swaged bullets are very soft and they say not to exceed 1,000 fps due to leading. Well this works well for cast bullets that are harder even if you don't approve. |
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