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Posted: 11/19/2013 4:52:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/27/2013 6:32:44 AM EST by Finslayer83]
I've got two options that I really like, but can't decide for my SBR build.

Just want to get your input.

Option 1: re barrel my current carbine with a 11.5" BCM LW barrel.
I did a crappy shop of this, but gives me a good idea of the over all look.




Option 2: BCM 11.5 upper - for some reason I feel this looks more appropriate for an SBR. Down the road I could pick up a centurion rail for it.

*this is one of yours, it's awesome and I am using your pic as inspiration.




This will be a 5-150 yard rifle, probably not going to be a suppressor host. It really comes down to do I want a fixed fsb or a FF tube.

I do like the classic lines of #2 but #1 would be cheaper and easier.


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Link Posted: 11/19/2013 4:53:08 PM EST
#1 is my preference
Link Posted: 11/19/2013 4:55:42 PM EST
I vote #1. You better go that route so you can spend the extra on ammo for the shoot in January..
Link Posted: 11/19/2013 5:12:40 PM EST
Option 2.

I did just purchase a new MK18 upper, so it is closer to #1, but my second lower I have in process is definitely going to be an 11.5 with and A2.

I freaking love them, it is the only SBR I have actually fired. They are sweetness.
Link Posted: 11/19/2013 5:25:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2013 5:27:44 PM EST by kielal]
Both!
For real. Build one into a pistol and swap uppers when needed.
If I could only chose one it would be number 2 just because I'm digging that style right now.

I'm eyeing this set up right now. http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5310MOE&name=Spike's+Tactical+ST-15+LE+11.5%22+LWT+5.56+Pistol%2fNFA+URG&groupid=750
Link Posted: 11/19/2013 5:27:58 PM EST
Sneak Attack from Option #3: BCM Kino Upper
Link Posted: 11/19/2013 5:30:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2013 4:12:45 AM EST by LA_357SIG]
Option 2. Well... because that's what I did.
Link Posted: 11/19/2013 5:35:48 PM EST


I love my 10.5 and shoot it out to 200 yds regularly.
Link Posted: 11/19/2013 5:36:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By The_Accuser:
I vote #1. You better go that route so you can spend the extra on ammo for the shoot in January..
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Link Posted: 11/19/2013 6:10:46 PM EST
Gotta love SBR's


I vote the first option btw.
Link Posted: 11/19/2013 6:31:05 PM EST
Number 1. I made several AR pistols that were like #2 and never kept them long but I really enjoyed my one that was setup like #1. It allows for a grip further out which allows more control and comfort.
Link Posted: 11/19/2013 11:47:54 PM EST
Option 2. But instead of a MOE handguard slap a KAC RAS on it instead
Link Posted: 11/20/2013 3:24:42 AM EST
Keep opinions and pics coming!
Link Posted: 11/20/2013 3:47:42 AM EST
Both! Since there was no both option on poll, I vote option 1. Good luck with your choice.
Link Posted: 11/20/2013 4:08:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2013 4:09:38 AM EST by Monkey_Wrench]
#2.

I think a FSB looks good on a SBR. Any AR for that matter. It says "functional" vs "Tactical and equally functional" to me.


Link Posted: 11/20/2013 5:14:58 AM EST
Option 2 with a CompM4 is what I will be doing when my stamp comes back. Until then it is a pistol but I am waiting on my CompM4 to arrive. I will post a picture when it shows up later this week.
Link Posted: 11/20/2013 6:26:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Monkey_Wrench:
#2.

I think a FSB looks good on a SBR. Any AR for that matter. It says "functional" vs "Tactical and equally functional" to me.

http://i.imgur.com/VUxaixB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xjuUgJW.jpg
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nice.

I do have an A1 upper I could build a 2nd 11.5 out of, I do love a 733 clone.
Link Posted: 11/20/2013 9:55:16 AM EST
Or maybe something like this, Noveske 10.5., Switchblock, carbine Centurion C4 rail.

Rob

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Link Posted: 11/20/2013 11:14:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:


nice.

I do have an A1 upper I could build a 2nd 11.5 out of, I do love a 733 clone.
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Monkey_Wrench:
#2.

I think a FSB looks good on a SBR. Any AR for that matter. It says "functional" vs "Tactical and equally functional" to me.

http://i.imgur.com/VUxaixB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xjuUgJW.jpg


nice.

I do have an A1 upper I could build a 2nd 11.5 out of, I do love a 733 clone.



Out of your choices, I'd go option 2. Out of my choices, go with option 3 and the 733 clone.
Link Posted: 11/20/2013 11:19:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/20/2013 12:39:36 PM EST
I do like the look of the 9" Alpha rail with the 11.5" better than the 11" rail and the 11.5" barrel.

Actually, I think the visual balance of a 9"/10" rail looks better than the 11" on the 11.5"
Link Posted: 11/20/2013 4:12:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2013 4:16:40 PM EST by dana]
Both, seriously. This is what i just built. It now has KAC sight front and rear and is waiting on a Micro and my SDN-6. I absolutely love it!


But i am also building another upper for my other SBR lower. It will be a plain 10.5 barrel with fixed FSB, Colt hand guard on a Colt A2 upper with a CAR stock. It will basically be what Monkey Wrench built with a CAR stock, M4 GI hand guards and a Tango down grip. This is the lower it will be on. It should be a nice simple clean build.


I would probably do the 1st one first.

PS i just saw MW has a A1 upper. I would go with whichever you can get a better deal on. A1, simpler, lighter and so on. A2 more adjustable if you need it.
Link Posted: 11/21/2013 1:00:00 AM EST
I would go with no FSB for a SBR.


Link Posted: 11/21/2013 2:46:46 AM EST
If you can only have one...choice #2.
Link Posted: 11/21/2013 3:45:51 AM EST
After endless reading last night...

I think a 12-12.5" would be sweet to have as a general purpose SBR, with that said, I could get a 12' with FSB and then do option 1 and replace the carbine barrel with an 11.5".

Originally Posted By krichbaum:
If you can only have one...choice #2.
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I'll have many uppers (as extra funds allow), its just coming down to which one first
Link Posted: 11/21/2013 8:39:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dana:
Both, seriously. This is what i just built. It now has KAC sight front and rear and is waiting on a Micro and my SDN-6. I absolutely love it!
<a href="http://s10.photobucket.com/user/rc51kid/media/DSC_1817.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a147/rc51kid/DSC_1817.jpg</a>
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What rail is that? That is a sexy build
Link Posted: 11/21/2013 11:03:58 AM EST
I vote option 1. I use red dot almost exclusively, FSB just gets in my field of view. Also, I like HK or DOA styled iron sites.

Link Posted: 11/21/2013 2:51:06 PM EST
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I vote option 1. I use red dot almost exclusively, FSB just gets in my field of view. Also, I like HK or DOA styled iron sites.

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i played around with my uppers tonight, and realized why I floated some and left some with the FSB.

I'll be going with a variation of option 1,

I'm thinking 9"/ 10" rail and 11.5 barrel.

Link Posted: 11/21/2013 3:02:35 PM EST
#1 looks great - what did you use for the paint job?
Link Posted: 11/21/2013 3:36:08 PM EST
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#1 looks great - what did you use for the paint job?
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thanks.

I used tried and true krylon:

light woodland green
sand
brown

all are the fusion camo series

here it is in the middle TN landscape


IMG_0848 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr


IMG_0850 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr
Link Posted: 11/21/2013 5:52:44 PM EST
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What rail is that? That is a sexy build
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Originally Posted By dana:
Both, seriously. This is what i just built. It now has KAC sight front and rear and is waiting on a Micro and my SDN-6. I absolutely love it!
<a href="http://s10.photobucket.com/user/rc51kid/media/DSC_1817.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a147/rc51kid/DSC_1817.jpg</a>


What rail is that? That is a sexy build


It is the Wilson Combat rail. Thanks for the comment.
Link Posted: 11/22/2013 7:54:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:


nice.

I do have an A1 upper I could build a 2nd 11.5 out of, I do love a 733 clone.
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Monkey_Wrench:
#2.

I think a FSB looks good on a SBR. Any AR for that matter. It says "functional" vs "Tactical and equally functional" to me.

http://i.imgur.com/VUxaixB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xjuUgJW.jpg


nice.

I do have an A1 upper I could build a 2nd 11.5 out of, I do love a 733 clone.


My vote!
Link Posted: 11/22/2013 3:47:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2013 3:48:05 PM EST by jukeboxx13]
#2 for the FSB, and you could keep it simple without an optic.
Link Posted: 11/22/2013 3:49:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
After endless reading last night...

I think a 12-12.5" would be sweet to have as a general purpose SBR, with that said, I could get a 12' with FSB and then do option 1 and replace the carbine barrel with an 11.5".



I'll have many uppers (as extra funds allow), its just coming down to which one first
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
After endless reading last night...

I think a 12-12.5" would be sweet to have as a general purpose SBR, with that said, I could get a 12' with FSB and then do option 1 and replace the carbine barrel with an 11.5".

Originally Posted By krichbaum:
If you can only have one...choice #2.


I'll have many uppers (as extra funds allow), its just coming down to which one first
A 12.5 Kino is the best SBR imo since it has a middy rail, and FSB. YMMV.
Link Posted: 11/25/2013 12:43:54 PM EST
just ordered a 11.5" Daniel Defense CHF barrel from DSG arms for $189 shipped.

Looks like a variation of option 1 is what I'm going with
Link Posted: 11/27/2013 6:29:10 AM EST
Update:

Final configuration has been decided - just waiting on my form 1 and parts to arrive.

Current form:



Build list:
The new parts:
11.5" Daniel Defense CHF 1/7 barrel
BCM low pro gas block
BCM barrel nut
Standard A2 flash hider w/ crush washer
AIM 9130 BCG

Existing parts that will be used:
11" VTAC
Kaboom upper
Aimpoint Pro in LT150
MBUS
TLR-1 @ 12 o'clock
current lower setup

Should looks similar to this (outdated and poorly photo shopped for short barrel)



I really like the look of a 9-10" rail on the 11.5" barrel with some of the barrel sticking out, looked balanced in my opinion. After playing around with my current setup, I realized that with the mbus moved back and my TLR-1 at 12 o'clock it was perfect for my needs.

As much as we all like new things, it hit me - if its not broken, don't fix it. So I decided that function / comfort > looks, so here we are, plans are finalized and I can always build another upper at a later date.

After reports that eforms submitted in October are getting approved as of this morning, there his hope that I can have this bad boy together by Christmas.
Link Posted: 11/27/2013 6:40:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/27/2013 6:40:52 AM EST by jlficken]
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Update:

Final configuration has been decided - just waiting on my form 1 and parts to arrive.

Current form:

http://i.imgur.com/r3YPrmh.jpg

Build list:
The new parts:
11.5" Daniel Defense CHF 1/7 barrel
BCM low pro gas block
BCM barrel nut
Standard A2 flash hider w/ crush washer
AIM 9130 BCG

Existing parts that will be used:
11" VTAC
Kaboom upper
Aimpoint Pro in LT150
MBUS
TLR-1 @ 12 o'clock
current lower setup

Should looks similar to this (outdated and poorly photo shopped for short barrel)

http://i.imgur.com/lZmLGuU.jpg

I really like the look of a 9-10" rail on the 11.5" barrel with some of the barrel sticking out, looked balanced in my opinion. After playing around with my current setup, I realized that with the mbus moved back and my TLR-1 at 12 o'clock it was perfect for my needs.

As much as we all like new things, it hit me - if its not broken, don't fix it. So I decided that function / comfort > looks, so here we are, plans are finalized and I can always build another upper at a later date.

After reports that eforms submitted in October are getting approved as of this morning, there his hope that I can have this bad boy together by Christmas.
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NFA Tracker shows that one is a Form 3 to the dealer just an FYI.

Mine were submitted 8-29 an 8-31 so I am hoping I didn't screw them up and get my stamps soon but I was told by Gary that those being processed are just them testing the system so I don't have high hopes at this time.
Link Posted: 11/27/2013 7:58:06 AM EST
Well that stinks.

However, there are a lot of August and September approvals as posted in the main thread as of this week. I think the "test the system explanation" is a clever ruse to calm down calls / emails to the branch, just my $0.02, as it seems to be an extended test.....

Also, Gary said earlier this week on the phone they are being processed much faster than standard paper submissions, but did not elaborate.

Link Posted: 11/27/2013 11:50:18 AM EST
well since I'm still at the office - and pretty much the only one, I decided to shop the picture to get a better feel for what its going to look like.

Link Posted: 11/27/2013 12:26:55 PM EST
I like it. What are your plans as far as buis?

Also how are you liking the pro in the larue mount? Ive been thinking about a pro in an adm mount or a micro in a adm mount.
Link Posted: 11/27/2013 1:29:58 PM EST
I LOVE the larue mount. I've tried ADM and LaRue - without starting a this vs that discussion, I prefer the larue system.

As for buis, I have a set of MBUS for the time being and I'm not too concerned on upgrading. However I have been considering some options:

Daniel defense front and rear
Troy folding front and rear
DD front and troy rear

Really need to think about it.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 4:27:07 AM EST
So.... plans have changed.

I bought a YHM SS 5.56 Phantom

With that said my rail options changed as well.

All parts have been ordered as of this morning and the parts / build list is finalized:

11.5 DD CHF barrel
10" Centurion C4 rail
Magpul VFG
YHM QD flash hider
BCM gas block and barrel nut

then some krylon
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