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Posted: 3/19/2020 11:33:02 PM EDT
[#1]
Ive shot the Max-11 mk2 and Max-11k, but only own the K
To me a submachinegun should be short, lightweight and compact.  Attached FileAlso have the obsidian 9. I usually run it in the K configuration with 147 fmj which is naturally subsonic.  M11/9 Lage Max11k Upper Suppressed |
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Posted: 3/19/2020 11:42:13 PM EDT
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Max11 relies on your stick mags.
Some M11s need to have the feed ramp bent up to feed the Max11. If you want to try out a Max11 full size to see iff you need to bend parts, let me know. |
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Posted: 3/19/2020 11:48:09 PM EDT
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I had a m11/9 and I bought all the uppers he had come out with. My opinion on the best bang for your money:
A) Put a .22kit in the OEM upper. B) Get the slowfire K (short) uppers with the side folding stock. Perfect for a true SMG feel. I think the standard Max10/Max11 uppers and Max31 drum uppers were just too long when you put a silencer on them. And shooting unsuppressed is gay.** C) Get the 5.56mm upper of you don’t have a RDIAS/RLL/RR M16. **The only standard size Lage upper that would be better than the K is ArevaloSOCOM’s Max10 upper with chopped barrel and a silencer that threaded back into the upper (like people that bury ar15 silencers down user the handguards). It was standard size looking and handling but more compact suppressed, too. He “got both”. But this only works with the Max10 because it’s wide enough to take a silencer internally. I don’t think the narrower Max11 could. |
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Posted: 3/20/2020 12:02:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ive shot the Max-11 mk2 and Max-11k, but only own the K To me a submachinegun should be short, lightweight and compact. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/102065/IMG_0014-341258.JPG Also have the obsidian 9. I usually run it in the K configuration with 147 fmj which is naturally subsonic.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BiYXO8r0iw
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Posted: 3/20/2020 12:22:21 AM EDT
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Get the k, folding k stock, the sear, comp trigger (I did s/a version), the safety and the grips. Basically one of everything lage makes. That to me is the right setup. Get the lage sights or find some of the CZ scorpion sights and a red dot of your choice.
l finally got a mill and will be making a scout light mount just because I can for mine. the other more expensive slower version is a semi k upper and the cfw tungsten bolt. I like the speed of the k slow fire upper. The tungsten bolt is beautifully machined, but I never use mine. ETA: and shockwave mags! mine with the collapsible when I was trying to (unsuccessfully) dewobble the stock. 
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Posted: 3/20/2020 1:16:00 AM EDT
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Few other comments
1) I went with the FA only trigger as its a lighter pull and I don't miss the semi option at all. 2) Pick up every lage part you can, sears, springs, selector, etc... 3) Go with the heavy bolt or get the SK and pick up a tungsten, either way slowing down the ROF helps. 4) The suppressor will also help with recoil. 5) If you have never shot a open bolt subgun its a little strange. You do have a lot of reciprocating mass compared to say a MP5. |
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Posted: 3/20/2020 2:51:24 PM EDT
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I've fired a Max-31, a MP5K, and now own a Max-11k. MP5K is my favorite of course, but out of budget. The 11k came with the gun and I like it so far. The 31 does feel a bit bulky in comparison especially with a drum on it.
If I was starting from the beginning I would choose a Max 11Sk and buy a CFW bolt. There's a waiting list for those that should ship some time this spring. You could have a factory bolt and a slow fire bolt in the same upper that uses modern optics, a fore grip, etc. There are other options for factory style uppers with rails. See Practical Solutions and their side charging uppers. |
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Posted: 3/20/2020 5:56:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get the k, folding k stock, the sear, comp trigger (I did s/a version), the safety and the grips. Basically one of everything lage makes. That to me is the right setup. Get the lage sights or find some of the CZ scorpion sights and a red dot of your choice. l finally got a mill and will be making a scout light mount just because I can for mine. the other more expensive slower version is a semi k upper and the cfw tungsten bolt. I like the speed of the k slow fire upper. The tungsten bolt is beautifully machined, but I never use mine. ETA: and shockwave mags! mine with the collapsible when I was trying to (unsuccessfully) dewobble the stock. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158773/316AE7B3-E9C1-4905-8B74-E7108A47BE7F-525902.jpg What can are you running on that? |
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Posted: 3/20/2020 8:37:59 PM EDT
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Omega 9k, but I'd get one of the modular ones now. Dead air wolf maybe.
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Posted: 3/21/2020 1:41:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've fired a Max-31, a MP5K, and now own a Max-11k. MP5K is my favorite of course, but out of budget. The 11k came with the gun and I like it so far. The 31 does feel a bit bulky in comparison especially with a drum on it. If I was starting from the beginning I would choose a Max 11Sk and buy a CFW bolt. There's a waiting list for those that should ship some time this spring. You could have a factory bolt and a slow fire bolt in the same upper that uses modern optics, a fore grip, etc. There are other options for factory style uppers with rails. See Practical Solutions and their side charging uppers. Good advice. I checked with Vegas SMG on their latest run and the issue now is getting the raw materials from China because of the virus. |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 3:25:49 PM EDT
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I’ve had most uppers and my favorite is the max11k. I do like the oem upper with tungsten bolt but the max11k runs a big faster rpm and I like that. Either way, you’ll want everything. That’s the beauty of the m11/nine is there are so many options.
 And with .22 kit 
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Posted: 3/22/2020 4:23:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve had most uppers and my favorite is the max11k. I do like the oem upper with tungsten bolt but the max11k runs a big faster rpm and I like that. Either way, you’ll want everything. That’s the beauty of the m11/nine is there are so many options. https://i.imgur.com/fe7pYxW.jpg And with .22 kit https://i.imgur.com/2ZS7dan.jpg Man that is sharp setup. Is that Lage folding stock? |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 5:28:29 PM EDT
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I miss my mac.
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Posted: 3/23/2020 12:38:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I miss my mac. Just out of curiosity if you do not mind me asking why did you get rid of it? |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 8:45:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man that is sharp setup. Is that Lage folding stock? here is another shot of mine with the k stock and a much larger bowers vers 9s:  |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:27:47 PM EDT
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Folding Adapters are out there for the magpul zuchov stock and the CZ stocks...
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Posted: 3/24/2020 7:53:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Folding Adapters are out there for the magpul zuchov stock and the CZ stocks... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2158/A4352717-26AC-4384-91E4-5631ABB73081_jpe-1330548.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2158/E8D3871C-D212-41F3-8F72-CF36C55AD7ED_jpe-1330550.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2158/DCEC539B-E760-482D-AED4-666D3B943743_jpe-1330552.JPG Wow cool who makes the stock adapters? |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 8:19:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Wow cool who makes the stock adapters? Www.norse-forge.com They should be back for sale in a few weeks.. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:30:20 AM EDT
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I bought one of Lage’s first run I think #25-28? Love it just got the 556 upper ... & methinks im gonna buy another m11, lage has changed the value of this weapon and they are gonna become more valuble because of its versatility .
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Posted: 4/3/2020 11:43:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought one of Lage’s first run I think #25-28? Love it just got the 556 upper ... & methinks im gonna buy another m11, lage has changed the value of this weapon and they are gonna become more valuble because of its versatility . Could not agree more. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 12:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought one of Lage’s first run I think #25-28? Love it just got the 556 upper ... & methinks im gonna buy another m11, lage has changed the value of this weapon and they are gonna become more valuble because of its versatility . I would argue a lot of that value is already factored into the price. When lage announced the Max11/15 the price ran up from about $6,000 at the time to close to $8,000 in about a year and that was before any uppers had shipped. The M10 and M11A1 didn't follow the same price trend until after Lage announced they would eventually make a 5.56 uppers for those as well. All I'm saying is don't buy it thinking its going to be worth $10k in a year because of the 5.56 uppers availability, the market has already accounted for that. |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 1:18:03 AM EDT
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K smaller is better... I rarely run my Lage with a can. Seems many M11/9s don't like flat nose subs and I am not running more expensive round nose 158gr through it except for special occasions. If I reloaded, it would be different.
Have not had much luck with the 22 conversion kit either, been handfitted twice by Lage. Loading the mags is tricky and doesn't help reliability. |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 1:39:07 AM EDT
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I have the Max11mk2 and I am happy with it on my m11.
it runs and runs as long as I keep it clean and use quality magazines. |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 11:13:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could not agree more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I bought one of Lage’s first run I think #25-28? Love it just got the 556 upper ... & methinks im gonna buy another m11, lage has changed the value of this weapon and they are gonna become more valuble because of its versatility . Could not agree more. +1 Although as Spartikis said, the current market has already accounted for it to some degree. Five to fifteen years could tell a different story. |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 8:50:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: K smaller is better... I rarely run my Lage with a can. Seems many M11/9s don't like flat nose subs and I am not running more expensive round nose 158gr through it except for special occasions. If I reloaded, it would be different. While I have bunch of IMI 158gr subs, I have double of 147gr FPs that don't run worth a shit in my '13-vintage Max-11 upper (with 750rpm bolt.) I think I'll wind up with a Max-11SK that I'll use with my original bolt. It's only money. |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 11:25:57 PM EDT
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Great thread.. Not to hijack, but is the only difference between the MAX11-k and the MAX11-sk is the SK uses the standard bolt? I have a tungsten bolt already and a standard bolt with a speed cube.. So it seems like if I got the Max11Sk i could go slow around 600-700 or speed it up to 1400ish. Is this correct?
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Posted: 4/8/2020 2:21:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great thread.. Not to hijack, but is the only difference between the MAX11-k and the MAX11-sk is the SK uses the standard bolt? I have a tungsten bolt already and a standard bolt with a speed cube.. So it seems like if I got the Max11Sk i could go slow around 600-700 or speed it up to 1400ish. Is this correct? SK is a non-reciprocating charging handle and uses the regular M11 bolt. To slow the ROF down you would need the tungsten bolt. |
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Posted: 4/8/2020 7:04:27 PM EDT
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Yes loveski5, the tungsten bolt will work in the SK upper.
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Posted: 4/8/2020 7:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SK is a non-reciprocating charging handle and uses the regular M11 bolt. To slow the ROF down you would need the tungsten bolt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great thread.. Not to hijack, but is the only difference between the MAX11-k and the MAX11-sk is the SK uses the standard bolt? I have a tungsten bolt already and a standard bolt with a speed cube.. So it seems like if I got the Max11Sk i could go slow around 600-700 or speed it up to 1400ish. Is this correct? SK is a non-reciprocating charging handle and uses the regular M11 bolt. To slow the ROF down you would need the tungsten bolt. I want the SK to go with my original bolt. Why? I am not sure. Getting bored with this.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/12/2020 2:28:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/12/2020 5:36:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDetails? |
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Posted: 4/12/2020 12:18:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Details? Quote HistoryQuoted: Details? SWD m11/9 Lage Max-11K upper Scorpion sights Noveske flush QD point Fortis RAP ILWT trilug Lage grip |
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Posted: 4/12/2020 2:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SWD m11/9 Lage Max-11K upper Scorpion sights Noveske flush QD point Fortis RAP ILWT trilug Lage grip Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Details? SWD m11/9 Lage Max-11K upper Scorpion sights Noveske flush QD point Fortis RAP ILWT trilug Lage grip I like!!! |
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Posted: 4/13/2020 4:40:22 PM EDT
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I feel like my Max11sk is about as optimized as the platform is going to get.
I use a CF tungsten bolt. It’s a lot of fun to shoot under nods. I’ve added some sling attachments and a WML white/IR light on the left rail since this pic, otherwise it’s ready to go. I’m a big fan of 45 cans on these 9mm rigs. If it starts to back off, it buys you that much extra tolerance before you full auto blast your baffle stack. Maybe not necessary if you’re on 3-lug.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 5:25:09 PM EDT
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Just got my SWD M11/9mm back from jail and ordering the MAX11 MK2 Lage today, but not sure on the standard 1/2x28 barrel or upgrade to the 3lug barrel.
I only have two 9mm cans at the moment, Bowers CAC-9 or Gemtech GM-9. Anybody know if a Gemtech GM-9 can will suffice, any experiences with that model? I have both the direct thread & 3lug mounts/lids. Hoping it'll be fine, to avoid the large clunky CAC. |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 9:03:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just got my SWD M11/9mm back from jail and ordering the MAX11 MK2 Lage today, but not sure on the standard 1/2x28 barrel or upgrade to the 3lug barrel. I only have two 9mm cans at the moment, Bowers CAC-9 or Gemtech GM-9. Anybody know if a Gemtech GM-9 can will suffice, any experiences with that model? I have both the direct thread & 3lug mounts/lids. Hoping it'll be fine, to avoid the large clunky CAC. The CAC’s volume really shines on a full auto subgun. 3 lug all the thingz!!! |
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Posted: 9/13/2020 5:11:14 PM EDT
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but where's the best place to sell one of these? I bought mine several years ago with all the Lage stuff, but my local range won't let me shoot it there. I don't see many guns for sale here in the ARFCOM EE, just parts.
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Posted: 9/13/2020 8:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to hijack the thread, but where's the best place to sell one of these? I bought mine several years ago with all the Lage stuff, but my local range won't let me shoot it there. I don't see many guns for sale here in the ARFCOM EE, just parts. Personally, I’d look for another range. If you must sell, try the EE here first. Another popular place is the NFA market board on Sturmgewehr.com |
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Posted: 9/13/2020 8:41:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personally, I’d look for another range. If you must sell, try the EE here first. Another popular place is the NFA market board on Sturmgewehr.com Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry to hijack the thread, but where's the best place to sell one of these? I bought mine several years ago with all the Lage stuff, but my local range won't let me shoot it there. I don't see many guns for sale here in the ARFCOM EE, just parts. Personally, I’d look for another range. If you must sell, try the EE here first. Another popular place is the NFA market board on Sturmgewehr.com Uzitalk.com too, but def here abd the sturmboard. |
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Posted: 9/13/2020 10:08:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personally, I’d look for another range. If you must sell, try the EE here first. Another popular place is the NFA market board on Sturmgewehr.com Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry to hijack the thread, but where's the best place to sell one of these? I bought mine several years ago with all the Lage stuff, but my local range won't let me shoot it there. I don't see many guns for sale here in the ARFCOM EE, just parts. Personally, I’d look for another range. If you must sell, try the EE here first. Another popular place is the NFA market board on Sturmgewehr.com +1 for another range because if you sell, you’d be -1MAC... UziTalk’s classifieds gets them sold quickly, especially when priced right. |
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Posted: 9/13/2020 10:50:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Frank at Midwest tactical if you need cash fast.
I would hold onto it and look for another range. |
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Posted: 9/13/2020 10:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to hijack the thread, but where's the best place to sell one of these? I bought mine several years ago with all the Lage stuff, but my local range won't let me shoot it there. I don't see many guns for sale here in the ARFCOM EE, just parts. PM sent |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 11:07:53 AM EDT
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If at all possible, to avoid potential post purchase cognitive dissonance, I suggest that you try to find a way to test shoot whatever uppers you are considering. The fit and feel of how they shoot is a more than somewhat subjective experience. Your body and your physiological-physiological reactions are different from everyone else.
Best of luck with your SMG and whatever you decide to pursue. MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 11:27:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2020 11:31:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/5/2020 11:01:18 AM EDT
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I have an AR stock on my M11/9 and run the Max-11mk2 about 99% of the time along with a Bowers can.
Is it tiny and light? Nope.. Does it work with my super long, chimpanzee like arms? Absolutely :) |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 9:32:15 PM EDT
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I own an SWD 11/9 with a Lage Mk.II Upper. It has become my favorite MG to shoot. There was an ~200 round break-in period to get everything running together (including the ZMAGS) but it has been humming along now for thousands of rounds without a failure. I did install ONE Lage rate increasing block to tune it to the ROF I desired. I have a Romeo 5 RDS on top. Make sure to buy ZMAGS. Absolutely the best mags for these guns.
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Posted: 11/23/2020 5:06:51 PM EDT
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How do you like that Lage collapsible stock?
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Posted: 12/2/2020 1:07:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you like that Lage collapsible stock? Well this thread cost me 8k...just bought a m11/9, unfired in box. Guess I should have done it years ago. On the list for a Lage upper....and trying to stop myself from getting the max11/15. Keeping my fingers crossed to have her by the 4th of July 
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Posted: 12/2/2020 11:35:00 AM EDT
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Unless you already have a RR, RDIAS, or LL I'd get that MAX-11/15. It's worth it IMHO.
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