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Posted: 3/21/2009 1:18:16 PM EDT
I just scored some really nice WW 223 brass from Brassman. My question is...is the commercial brass the same as the WCC brass?

Thanks...
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:31:35 PM EDT
I would guess the same except for the lack of the crimped primer pockets....better in that regard.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:36:19 PM EDT
WCC brass doesn't have crimped primer pockets until someone loads it that way.






Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:36:36 PM EDT
That is what I am hoping...it looks like really nice brass...I want to use it with my 75 Horn OTMs at 2750+fps...:-) pushed by AA2520...
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:38:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2009 3:43:44 PM EDT by drmgallen]
Originally Posted By Molon:
WCC brass doesn't have crimped primer pockets until someone loads it that way.

http://www.box.net/shared/static/18t2x8z64z.jpg


http://www.box.net/shared/static/is89zr1l2z.jpg



Molon...any thoughts on the strength of the web?

May I use it in my higher pressure loads?

My PPU brass loads are almost at 2800fps w/o any pressure signs...I only us the ppu brass once...at these pressures....

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:46:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2009 3:47:00 PM EDT by Molon]
Originally Posted By drmgallen:
Originally Posted By Molon:
WCC brass doesn't have crimped primer pockets until someone loads it that way.

http://www.box.net/shared/static/18t2x8z64z.jpg


http://www.box.net/shared/static/is89zr1l2z.jpg



Molon...any thoughts on the strength of the web?

May I use it in my higher pressure loads?

My PPU brass loads are almost at 2800fps w/o any pressure signs...I only us the ppu brass once...at these pressures....



Hornady has used it in some lots of their 5.56 TAP . . .

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:50:37 PM EDT
WCC=Western Cartridge Company

I have only ever seen it as nato spec brass. If it has the circle cross it is mil brass

Dave
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:52:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By drmgallen:
Originally Posted By Molon:
WCC brass doesn't have crimped primer pockets until someone loads it that way.

http://www.box.net/shared/static/18t2x8z64z.jpg


http://www.box.net/shared/static/is89zr1l2z.jpg



Molon...any thoughts on the strength of the web?

May I use it in my higher pressure loads?

My PPU brass loads are almost at 2800fps w/o any pressure signs...I only us the ppu brass once...at these pressures....



Hornady has used it in some lots of their 5.56 TAP . . .



So my Win 223 brass is close to WCC brass?...I am trimming on the Giraud as we type...:-)

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 5:22:16 PM EDT
No, commercial win .223 is lighter than WCC
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 5:37:40 PM EDT


Link Posted: 3/21/2009 7:01:43 PM EDT
To sum up, Win or WCC, get both. They are GTG.
Link Posted: 3/22/2009 12:11:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By theloosescrew:
WCC=Western Cartridge Company

I have only ever seen it as nato spec brass. If it has the circle cross it is mil brass

Dave


+1
Link Posted: 3/22/2009 5:51:56 PM EDT
In my experience, the brass has been close enough to one another to load interchangeably. In fact, I just ran some loads today through my 10FP using commercial Win brass and mil WCC brass to see if there was a difference, and couldn't find any. Using 24.5gr of H4895 behind a Hornady 75gr BTHP in both cases, velocities averaged right around 2900fps and shot to the same point of aim.
Link Posted: 3/24/2009 8:52:04 AM EDT


Molon - Do you think you will ever add Remington UMC to this list?
Link Posted: 3/24/2009 11:28:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Submariner:


Molon - Do you think you will ever add Remington UMC to this list?


I swear I'll get to it this summer.

Link Posted: 3/28/2009 4:45:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2009 4:47:55 PM EDT by Molon]
Originally Posted By Submariner:


Molon - Do you think you will ever add Remington UMC to this list?


Remington brand 223 Remington case capacity: 30.4 grains of H2O.








Link Posted: 3/28/2009 5:33:32 PM EDT
Good work Molon.
Link Posted: 3/30/2009 4:48:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/30/2009 4:48:31 AM EDT by Submariner]
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Good work Molon.


Indeed, thanks.

Would it be possible to add the Remington case data to your chart?

This will be a keeper!

Link Posted: 3/30/2009 5:01:29 AM EDT
I may be alone on this, but I always felt the WCC once fired I found seemed to have a harder neck.
Not 100% positive on this but I dont think they are annealed.
Link Posted: 3/30/2009 5:31:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Friiguy:
I may be alone on this, but I always felt the WCC once fired I found seemed to have a harder neck.
Not 100% positive on this but I dont think they are annealed.



WCC brass should be made to US MILSPEC. That being said, it seems to be a little softer than LC brass. For some reason, LC seems to not stretch as much with each firing which means you don't have to trim it as often.

The primer crimp on the WCC brass I use is lighter than LC also. I haven't swagged a single WCC primer pocket on the 94 and 95 brass I have.
Link Posted: 3/30/2009 6:04:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Friiguy:
I may be alone on this, but I always felt the WCC once fired I found seemed to have a harder neck.
Not 100% positive on this but I dont think they are annealed.


Look again.





Link Posted: 3/30/2009 6:14:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Friiguy:
I may be alone on this, but I always felt the WCC once fired I found seemed to have a harder neck.
Not 100% positive on this but I dont think they are annealed.


Look again.


http://www.box.net/shared/static/is89zr1l2z.jpg



No idea why the necks seem to be harder then.
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