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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bushmaster MASADA? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/30/2008 8:37:34 PM EDT
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Anyone know if this is true? Sorry if it has already been posted. homelandsecurityleader.com/homeland-security/homeland-security/bushmaster-and-magpul-team-on-advanced-weapon/ |
Yep, it's true............I wonder if it's gonna cost more than the 1,400 that was talked about? 
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| Maybe this is a good thing that will get Masada's in our hands sooner in greater numbers. Some of the replies I've read on those links make it sound like Magpul sold out to Olympic or Vulcan to build their rifles. I have a Bushy and it has been a great rifle that I will not trade. I can't wait for a Masada, I just hope the price hasn't went up. |
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OMG! Obama is going to ban all the guns! vs OMG! Cerberus/Bushmaster is investing in a new civilian semiauto militia arm... I would think the guys at Cerberus have a good idea where the wind is blowing on the civilian arms market, and mayhaps they foresee a need by the .mil folke too... |
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I think it was a smart move. They only licensed the rifle to Bushmaster and it doesn't appear that Bushmaster took them into some exclusive agreement whereby Magpul itself would be excluded from rifle production themselves. I think it is funny where we all want to see foreign rifles like the Steyr AUG or Tavor being licensed, but freak out when a US company does it. This will quickly increase Magpul's profits and allow them the added capital they'll need to become a larger firearms company. I think it was a smart play and it is also something they've suggested could happen since they revealed the Masada at SHOT last year. I also think that the fact that Bushmaster is going to produce these rifles means that they could be even less expensive than the $1,400 mark at some point. Due to economy of scale we could end up with rifles much closer to the $1,000 mark allowing more of us here at AR15.com to own one. Of course, the above said I have been more in favor of the SCAR for a year and will probably not look at the Masada until 2009 after I can determine roughtly how well built they are. |
<.< >.> Bushmaster .mil contrect in 2012? 
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I totally agree, this site is full of cry babies who do nothing but talk shit. Those who are doing all this complaining were most likely not going to buy one regardless. I do however have some concern about the price on this, I was not aware that the COBB guns went up in price, can anyone back this up with some documentation so I can see for myself? Steve |
Yeah, Bushmaster is now just a subsidiary of their larger parent corporation, which I'm told now owns a number of companies like DPMS. My guess is they're trying to put together an American corporation with the ability to out produce and out bid the likes of Colt and FN. The ACR will probably be their flagship rifle. |
If the rifle has good reviews and is cheaper than the $1,400 mark that Magpul put out for their estimate why not purchase an ACR? Really folks I don't get it. That all said, I have been planning on buying a SCAR this year anyways since I know it will be top notch and ready for war once it comes off the line. As they'll already have run production lines for SOCOM and LEO by the time the civilian rifle is produced. Should be good-to-go right out of the box. |
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But why oh why do they always have to give cool rifles names that are so horribly lame?!?!? ACR? Give me a freaking break! Is that an ACR? No it's an XCR. No wait, it's an AXR! Are you sure, it looks like a 556. Dude, that's obviously a STG-556. The name Masada is cool!! People understand what you are talking about when you say Masada. Why do these manufacturers always have to come up with some retarded acronym? Sheesh |
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I like your new AR. It's not an AR, it's an ACR? 5.56? Yeah. I thought you were getting an ORC. Nope that was a 5.56 XCR. Changed my mind. What about the AXR? Still not out. Went with a STG-556 after I sold my 556. Do you still have your 5.56 LMT CQBMRP? Dude, that was a LWRC SABR which isn't even 5.56! Oh, sorry. |
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Will Bushmaster install an aftermarket barrel on their rifles for you? No. Will Bushmaster sell you a 10.5 inch barrel rifle? No. Is Bushmaster NFA friendly towards civilians. Hell no. All of those are problems when you have a rifle that requires the manufacturer to modify your barrels to work. So in short, if all Bushmaster offers are 1/9 twist 16" barrels, we might be pretty well power fucked until someone else steps up to do it in the aftermarket, which will then of course void the warranty. 
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LOL, who's on first? |
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Bushmaster does not own the Masada. CERBERUS now owns the Masada, since they are also the owners of: -Remington Arms, -Bushmaster, - DPMS, -Marlin, -NEF, -H&R and Cobb. LINK http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=668626 Hope Cerberus does not go belly up. That would be bad.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management |
Wow........... wish I was the CEO of Cerberus.$$
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So let me get this straight...... It's a Masada made by Bushmaster now? WTF Next Magpul will try and convince me that the Bushmaster lower I have is actually a Magpul  Well, I guess I won't be buying a Masada then. This is the saddest news I have had this year. Besides John McCain being the GOP front runner |
They also own Chrysler. Bushmaster, Magpul, Masada, ACR, I don't give a damn. I want one. |
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I don't know why everyone here is so shocked. Magpul did say that this was possible and that they were thinking of selling the license to a larger company. Honestly, I don't see the Big Deal here it isn't like they said that you'll never be able to buy one. We'll now be able to buy them without issues of production limiting the numbers. Heck, for all we know right now it could be even better priced than what we thought. So cheer up folks. A lot of negative people here sometimes. |
Can you swap a barrel on a MASADA in 10 minutes without tools? Yes. Is it an AR15 barrel? Yes. Are there an abundance of gunsmiths who could easily cut down an AR15 barrel to NFA spec for you? Yes. What kind of 77+ grain ammo are you planning on shooting out of this gun that you need more than a 1:9 twist anyway? |
I am not sure, but being that this rifle is gas piston, would that prevent a person from just slapping a D.I Barrel on? Considering how you boohooed about Colt using oversized pins, it's laughable how you have no issue with Bushmater's position on NFA weapons and civilians. Also, having experienced and seen a Bushmaster first hand, I wouldn't pay a red cent over $900 for ANY of their rifles. Their attention to detail and overall quality control is somewhat lacking as compared to other AR manufacturers. It's a smart move for Bushmaster/Remington and Magpul. Bushmaster picked up a design that has garnered the interest of thousands of people nationwide and Magpul got out from underneath a project they couldn't handle from a production or logistical standpoint. I will be interested to see how expensive the rifle will be, as economies of scale apparently doesn't exist in the realm of AR15 or AR15 parts manufacturing. I'll put my money on the price being north of the original $1400 price. |
No. The barrel is an AR15 barrel. The op mechanism is different and it is gas-piston, but the barrel is still an AR15 barrel, the bolt an AR15 bolt.
I only care about Colt's oversized pins because they're inconvenient. It has nothing to do with NFA status. And the original poster was talking about SBRs, not machine guns. Any AR15 can be modified to SBR status fairly easily...parts are all interchangeable and gunsmiths are well-versed with cutting down and crowning AR15 barrels. Oh...and stop trolling my threads. 
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I know both gas piston and D.I AR barrels are the same My point was that I don't know if a gas piston AR uses the same gas port hole that a typical AR15 barrel would have. Admittedly, I am not educated enough in regards to piston designs. You cannot deny there is some inconvenience (on top of the already P.I.T.A process for SBR's) to having a barrel sent out for machine work rather then being able to buy a SBR on a form 4/form 3. Enough to where it might steer people towards the SCAR or even another AR15. You're talking about potentially adding another $100 on top of the price of an already pricey firearm. |
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I understand the reasons for it but I don't necessarily like it. It's change and men don't like change. Makes us nervous. I still want one, and will probably still call it the Masada. In terms of pricing, I think $1400 is pretty realistic considering this is a deal that has been brokered for some time now. Magpul has been saying $1400 for that entire time and I trust that. Plus one of the main strengths of this design is that you can get a whole rifle for what a piston upper costs. The SCAR L will NOT be under $1800. |
| I think it's a positive. It will be the same rifle, it will just get to us all faster and in greater numbers. If you ask me, Magpul did us a favor; now we won't have to deal with slow production time on the Masada. Bushmaster is the largest maker of AR type rifles in the U.S. and they will get me a couple of Masadas before the 08 elections |
If you're worried about an extra $100, then you don't have much business buying NFA weapons anyway. I mean, how much of it is an inconvenience to pop the barrel out of a Bush-sada and send it off to a gunsmith? What ELSE are you gonna do with it while you wait 1-3 months for BATFE to finish wiping their ass with your NFA paperwork?  From what I heard, the MASADA prototype uses an AR15 barrel, as well as 90% of the other AR15 parts. I doubt Bushmaster is going to change everything to a proprietary design just to hassle the civilian NFA buyers. People who are saying this gun was somehow a genius concept are really playing up what the gun actually is. It's an AR15 "warped" by Magpul into something that they believe would be tactically more effective. That's not a bad thing at all, in fact it's a very novel idea. In the end, though, it's no different than an XCR or any other "AR15-dorky-kid-brother" assault rifle. Which means it'll be an effective 5.56 LE carbine, but nothing ground-breaking over what's already out there. The only thing that particularly impressed me about it is its modularity. Which works in the FAVOR of people who want to make NFA tweaks. |
$100 is $100 no matter how you slice it. CMMG sells their SBR's at the same price as their 16" rifles. It's still an inconvenience.
Pretty much. It's a neat design, but I think people are seriously kidding themselves if they think the Bush-sada is going to compete with the SCAR, HK416 or any other LE/Mil Carbine in regards to military contracts. I don't think there's enough "value" incorporated into it to justify the military or LEO switching to it when a convention m4 does the trick just fine, especially state side. When I start wearing out barrels at the rate that would make the quick barrel change worthwhile, I'll consider it.
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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bushmaster MASADA? (Page 1 of 2)
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