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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:39:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 4:00:34 PM EST by DavidC]


It's an L2A1 Heavy Barrel Squad Support FAL. Parts made in Australia, with the exception of the wood, which is US made and patterened after the Canadian C2 rifle (which was their version of the L2A1).

Got a very good deal on it, so I couldn't pass it up.

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 2:58:43 PM EST
Very interesting....

What is the doodad on the end of the barrel?

Edjamacate me


- BG
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 3:09:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 3:11:22 PM EST
Good info, and pic.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 3:58:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
Very interesting....

What is the doodad on the end of the barrel?

Edjamacate me


- BG



It's called a "recoil reducer." It was designed to aid in muzzle control in full auto. The rifles were also shipped with a standard L1A1 flash suppressor.

The bipod is very long, especially when compared to other FAL bipods. This was because the rifle was designed and issued with the 30 round 7.62.51 magazines in mind. In general, they were used with 20 round mags. I'll need to pick up a couple of the 30-rounder's, just for the sake of having them.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 4:00:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 5:52:42 PM EST

The last time (6-7 months ago) TDW advertised NIW L2 BBL's they were $750 ea !!!

Also note the bore/chamber is hardchromed---

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 6:45:40 PM EST
The barrel is brand new.

I've already been offered $250 each for the recoil reducer and the rear tangent sight if I decide to convert it to the Autralian configuration which uses the long L1A1 flash hider and the 600 meter rear sight.

The main parts for these rifles are expensive, primarily because they are rare. The Aussie's made fewer than 10,000 and most were destroyed rather than being parted out.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 7:04:51 PM EST
What's that sumbitch weigh?
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 2:55:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By triburst1:
What's that sumbitch weigh?



I don't have a scale handy, but the specs say ~ 15 lbs.

Link Posted: 10/3/2004 2:57:16 AM EST
DavidC I swear I saw one of those at the Gun Show at Valley Forge. Is that wear you got it?
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 3:20:59 AM EST
cool score!
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 3:25:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By 223spree:
DavidC I swear I saw one of those at the Gun Show at Valley Forge. Is that wear you got it?



I didn't have the cash at the show, but since the parts were authentic and the dealer was asking a good deal less than than the value of the parts alone, I gave him my card and asked him to call me if he didn't sell it. He called, I bought it, for less than it would have cost at the show.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 3:33:24 AM EST
Coolness!
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 3:35:13 AM EST
Cool, now if it were only FA
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:58:29 AM EST
DavidC,

You know anything about the .22LR FAL? Are they any good? Was intrigued by the. Thanks in advance for any info?
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 1:55:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By arbob:
DavidC,

You know anything about the .22LR FAL? Are they any good? Was intrigued by the. Thanks in advance for any info?



Other than the fact that conversion kits exist, I don't know anything about them. The FALFiles would be your best source for info.

Link Posted: 10/3/2004 2:03:53 PM EST
I'll bet that thing on the end of the barrel reduces recoil, It must weigh 5Lbs!!
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 9:16:44 PM EST
Just went to a shoot with a friend and got to shoot this Canuck baby...the L2's cousin...
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 7:32:58 AM EST
Does the Bipod lock in the upper postition and become the fore end?

Link Posted: 10/4/2004 7:45:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By drobs:
Does the Bipod lock in the upper postition and become the fore end?




Yep



Link Posted: 10/4/2004 8:48:33 AM EST
Very cool!
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 9:24:28 AM EST
reminds me of a slightly modernized BAR. I love it.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 1:34:59 PM EST
I must have that bi-pod anyone know of a place selling those?
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 1:44:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Corbic:
I must have that bi-pod anyone know of a place selling those?



The bipod requires not just the bipod legs, but a special gas block mount and the catch on the barrel, in order to work.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:31:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/4/2004 5:33:04 PM EST by Corbic]
Damn It, you and your logic.
How rare and how much do these run for?
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:44:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Corbic:
Damn It, you and your logic.
How rare and how much do these run for?



They are probably the rarest of the FAL variants you can find. Australia only made a total of 9,975 guns; a small percent had the recoil reducer, a large percent had the Canadian rear tangent sight (though generally not together). I'm not sure of the Canadian production numbers (refered to as the C2; the C1 being their version of the L1A1). In ~ 10 years of buying FALs this was the first one I had seen in person, and I doubt I've seen a dozen for sale in that time.

There's one currently listed on GunsAmerica for $2000.


For the folks who have been asking about the recoil reducer, I took some closeup photos and put a quick web page together here:

Detail photos of Recoil Reducer
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 1:31:00 AM EST
What does the recoil reducer weigh?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:41:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By garr:
What does the recoil reducer weigh?



Don't have an actual weight (and I haven't removed it from the rifle) but I'd guess ~ 12- 18 oz.

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:41:53 PM EST

You know anything about the .22LR FAL? Are they any good? Was intrigued by the. Thanks in advance for any info


There were some prototypes made but it was decided that the conversion kits were the way to go. The kit consist of a barrel sleeve, a bolt and 2 .22 magazines. They are way cool to shoot also. NO recoil at all! I shot about 100 round through one and experianced failures. That day, the rifle had probably 700 rounds of .22 shot out of it and 0 jams of any kind.

The conversion kits run very expensive at about $500.00 to $700.00 each.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:32:19 PM EST
You can also get 9mm converisons for a lot less, one of the conversions I saw will let you use a Sumo drum also!
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 11:01:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By Corbic:
You can also get 9mm converisons for a lot less, one of the conversions I saw will let you use a Sumo drum also!



That's not really a "conversion" in the sense that the 22 conversion is. The RPB 9mm upper is a completely new gun (since the upper is the serial numbered part on an FAL) that just uses an unmodified FAL lower for the fire control and stock.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 11:23:51 AM EST
No, it uses the orginal Upper. Kits are only $255 to top it off! Also .45acp versions and one that takes sten mags.





Process looks a little bit hard though.


http://www.rhinelandarms.com/
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 12:12:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/6/2004 12:15:37 PM EST by DavidC]
Still not really a "conversion." His kits are for the manufacture of FALs in 9mm and 45, not for a conversion you swap with a standard FAL.

The "conversion" for the 9mm with the Sumoi mags is everything but the lower, the same as the RPB, and is over $700, last time I talked to him. Basically he's using FAL receivers for his conversions rather than the MAC receiver fitted to the FAL lower, that RPB uses. That's part of the reason his unit is $725 and the RPB has a retail price of $495 (I need to send them an FFL and get their dealer prices).

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:59:44 AM EST
Yeah very cool gun! It does resemble a B.A.R. with the bi-pod folded up. When I frist looked at it , I thought the end of the barrel was an atachment used for shooting ropes over to other ships like the Navy uses with M-14s. Thank you for the pics! Take care.
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