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Posted: 11/26/2001 3:52:08 PM EDT
Always wanted to post that, but one thing I figured out with the "AR v AK" thing is that the AK does have an advantage, if your ever in a survivial situation you can use the wood from the forend and stock to build a campfire.
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 4:05:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 4:22:38 PM EDT
What a ugly peice of Russian crap! Only thing Russian's make well is VODKA!

Link Posted: 11/26/2001 5:43:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 5:47:54 PM EDT
no but i play ibanez :)
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 5:55:24 PM EDT
And I still say, "AK's are UGLY!, BULKY!, INACCURATE, PEICE's O' CRAP!" But I'll still shove one up your ass how's that? :>
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 5:59:34 PM EDT
CAMPYBOB, Nice AK!!! I love my AR's but I have a special place in my heart for AK's. My AK was my first "REAL" assault rifle that I purchased. That is if you don't count my Mini-14 (I don't!) It open the door on a habit that I can't seem to kick nor do I want to.


Link Posted: 11/26/2001 6:01:06 PM EDT
When it comes to rifles I'll take ugly and reliable every time. 5000 rds and havn't cleaned it yet and still ticking. Not one malfunction. Kind a like the energizer bunny of sport utility rifles. And it even likes wolf or barnaul.
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 6:01:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jander100:
What a ugly peice of Russian crap! Only thing Russian's make well is VODKA!

And hookers & mailorder brides.
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 6:10:01 PM EDT
I have an AR and an AK and find both to be good weapons. Couldn't decide so chose both.
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 6:52:59 PM EDT
You guys are just plain silly.
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 7:00:22 PM EDT
LEAVE HIM ALONE.........just agree with his insignificant opinion, and he will fade away into the darkness, of his own little world, besides guys, crack make people say the dumbest things sometimes.........ha!!!
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 7:08:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
You guys are just plain silly.

i'll second that. i have an AK and an AR in the build, and i wouldnt have it any other way
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 7:12:04 PM EDT
sounds like the "if its not the same thing i own and shoot, then it must be crap" type of thing.

is the AR-15 more accurate than an AK. yes , but the AK has good enough combat accuracy out to about 300 yards. the AK is a carbine, not a "Rifle" so dont expect "Rifle" accuracy.

i remember reading somewhere on this board that the M-16 delivers on average about 10% of hits into target at 300 yards and beyond. i wonder if the AK's percentage would be much different.

i miss my hungarian AK already
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 7:12:49 PM EDT
This has been beat to death a thousand times!! Apples & oranges.

Very cool toy Campy!!! IIIIIIII like it.



"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted
and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do
these things to other people and I require
the same from them."
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 7:45:29 PM EDT
I say, I love having another inexpensive shooter (ammowise) to bring to the range. AK's make a great companion to AR's. Plus considering (at least for now) you can pick one up at the price of an AR upper, why the heck not?
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 8:09:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By seamusmcoi:

Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
dude...kalashnikov's have been dressed to kill in thermoset polymers since the '80's. where have you been?

oh yeah, they haven't shot 7.62x39 since 1974, either.

but one thing hasn't changed...i can still use it as a club to bust ar's into little pieces of aloooominum all day long!

heheheh! always wanted to post that!

While I prefer the AR myself, I still love AK's as well (got an SAR-1). And Campy that is one beautiful AK if you ask me. Those 5.45's have started to intrigue me. I know you've been their biggest supporters for along while, but I just recently got a chance to shoot one.

MP906 brought one to the Columbia,MO shoot the other day and I got a chance to fire it. Fairly impressed, I must say. I was amazed at how little recoil that thing had! Even less it seemed than my M4. It's definately next on my list of guns to have.

But respectfully, I got to say, I still prefer my M4!

Oh and Campy, thanks for the help on the AK question! Your help was much appreciated.

And I don't care what anybody says, that thing about clubbing AR's is pretty funny if you ask me. Hey, to each his own.

Link Posted: 11/26/2001 8:12:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 8:15:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 8:15:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 8:38:27 PM EDT
I like these rifles:

and something in black...

Link Posted: 11/29/2001 6:18:34 AM EDT
Campybob, the russian army still does issue rifles in 7.62x39. Just thought I'd let you know.
Link Posted: 11/29/2001 6:39:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2001 6:34:52 AM EDT by SouthernShark]

Originally Posted By Steve:
Campybob, the russian army still does issue rifles in 7.62x39. Just thought I'd let you know.

It is true that they still use 7.62x39mm in some of the RPK's and for other limited roles. Its mainly a Spec-Op type weapon now though. The mainstream troops are all equiped with 5.45x39mm. Apparently some American spec- ops troops are equiped with 7.62x39mm as well..... 7.62x39mm is a good caliber which fills a niche in the caliber world. I suspect that it will be around a long time after 5.45x39.5mm is gone....

Interestingly the Russians have started producing 5.56mm AK's for export. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't eventually switch over to a Russian 5.56mm. You can make 5.56mm behave just like 5.45mm currently does, except that 5.56mm will always be a more powerful round (and hence better).

I have a SAR-2 and a SAR-3. I think that 5.45mm is interesting. But the bottom line is that 5.56mm has more powder in the bullet and will always fire at a higher velocity. Just as 357 will always be preferable to 38 spl., 5.56mm is better than 5.45mm.

And just for the record, the AK is my favorite rifle and I have a quite different types. It may be that 5.56mm AKs are the way of the future though. Although I suspect that 7.62x39mm will always be around and in use for limited roles. Interestingly, the US military has been experimenting with subsonic 200 grain 7.62x39mm AR's (yes I said AR's), for use as short ranged silent sniper rifles. It is a very versatile round and will be with us for a long time.


Link Posted: 11/29/2001 6:55:39 AM EDT
ARs rule AKs drool.. Blah Blah Blah....
Ford vs. Chevy...Coke vs. Pepsi..Dogs vs. Cats...real boobs vs. fake boobs.....My dad can beat up your dad.....
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