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Posted: 1/23/2010 12:28:08 PM EDT
| I was saving for a Bohica but now im really considering an ALS. I did a search and the only threads that popped up were about the recall on the bolt. So how do these compare to the other uppers? Anything better for the money? |
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So what changed your mind about the BOHICA?
Regardless of what happened it's still a quality built upper and if there is a problem with the upper it'll get fixed, people with them will have theirs upgraded just like the ALS uppers did. Have you looked at the Ferret 50 uppers from Spider Firearms? |
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So what changed your mind about the BOHICA? Regardless of what happened it's still a quality built upper and if there is a problem with the upper it'll get fixed, people with them will have theirs upgraded just like the ALS uppers did. Have you looked at the Ferret 50 uppers from Spider Firearms? Im not worried about the OOBD from the Bohica. Just started looking around. ALS seemed pretty good for the price. I dont think i want to wait that long though. I do like the ferret .50, my buddy has one, I really like it. Just want something different. Ar50's look good just a little out of my price range. Started looking into safety harbor. How accurate are these? Bohica is still at the top of the list so far. |
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The Safety Harbor uppers are also another good choice, they might not be on the same level as the ALS or Ferret when it comes to accuracy but they're good for going out plinking.
One of the members here that's a personal friend of mine did this write up on his http://www.daplane.com/50bmg/um50rpt.htm and might help you out in making a choice. Eastridge Gun Co. makes a good rifle at a good price, they've taken plenty of trophies at 50 BMG competitions. If you want a BFG, Serbu hasn't changed his price in forever and offers plenty of options from the stock rifles. |
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They are backordered 1-2 years. Hmmm. That all depends on the model and barrel length. Krinkfreak, the owner of theakforum.net website got his 30" in four days. Give Sandy at Bohica a call and ask for accurate shiiping info instead of internet speculation. |
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They are backordered 1-2 years. Hmmm. That all depends on the model and barrel length. Krinkfreak, the owner of theakforum.net website got his 30" in four days. Give Sandy at Bohica a call and ask for accurate shiiping info instead of internet speculation. He is referring to the ALS upper. From what ive heard the Bohica's are all caught up on orders. |
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I really like the look of the east ridge gun company's big bertha and rebels series. Anyone have experience with them? Accuracy? I have a Rebel and a Ferret and they are both great rifles. Dollar for dollar I think the Rebel is probably the best gun on the market. The accuracy is superb and the builder can build it for you any way you like. Unless you buy used, you'll likely face a wait on just about any of the 50's. |
All of the guns start out essentially the same and the differences are just options. Larry just has some "starting point" models with some of their options already included. I actually called him with the intent of buying a Competitor 2000 but by the time we were done he had me talked down to Rebel  Examples of options are:
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- stainless barrel - target barrel - barrel flutes - Jewell trigger - rear mono-pod - 2" or 3" brake - stock type - etc... It was my first 50 and more than suited my needs. What I ended up with was somewhere between the Rebel and Big Bertha option-wise. As I mentioned, he'll make it however you want. I keep the Ferret for match reloads and the Rebel for mil spec ammo and other fun stuff. Here's a picture of my Rebel with the aluminum stock and carry handle attached. If you want a super-sized picture, IM me your email address. 
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They are backordered 1-2 years. 100% NOT TRUE. Since the Recall, Darran has had a lot less orders. I was talking to him last week. You can get an updated ALS in only a few months, depending upon the configuration. I've got an ALS and it's unquestionably the most accurate of all the uppers. Just check the match stats for proof. -David Edgewood, NM |
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They are backordered 1-2 years. 100% NOT TRUE. Since the Recall, Darran has had a lot less orders. I was talking to him last week. You can get an updated ALS in only a few months, depending upon the configuration. I've got an ALS and it's unquestionably the most accurate of all the uppers. Just check the match stats for proof. -David Edgewood, NM Not sure about that, I've been waiting on mine since Aug. of 08, and I'm still waiting!!! 
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They are backordered 1-2 years. 100% NOT TRUE. Since the Recall, Darran has had a lot less orders. I was talking to him last week. You can get an updated ALS in only a few months, depending upon the configuration. I've got an ALS and it's unquestionably the most accurate of all the uppers. Just check the match stats for proof. -David Edgewood, NM Not sure about that, I've been waiting on mine since Aug. of 08, and I'm still waiting!!!
Give him a call...sounds like order is lost. Darran said he was getting close to catching up the last time I checked. I know the latter part of 2009 was taken up by the redesign of the bolt & retrofit of old bolts. I think now he needs some orders. -David Edgewood, NM |
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I called every 6 months or so just to check in, and this past Oct. they said hopefuly Jan. I guess thats what you get when you pay all the money up front!
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They are backordered 1-2 years. 100% NOT TRUE. Since the Recall, Darran has had a lot less orders. I was talking to him last week. You can get an updated ALS in only a few months, depending upon the configuration. I've got an ALS and it's unquestionably the most accurate of all the uppers. Just check the match stats for proof. -David Edgewood, NM I just called in Oct, and they said it would be in Jan. So i hoping any day now! Not sure about that, I've been waiting on mine since Aug. of 08, and I'm still waiting!!!
Give him a call...sounds like order is lost. Darran said he was getting close to catching up the last time I checked. I know the latter part of 2009 was taken up by the redesign of the bolt & retrofit of old bolts. I think now he needs some orders. -David Edgewood, NM |
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I really like the look of the east ridge gun company's big bertha and rebels series. Anyone have experience with them? Accuracy? I have a bit of experience with the State Arms rifles. I have been shooting them for fun and in Matches for 11 years. They are very accurate and very reliable, I have put well over 10,000 rounds through my 6 rifles, some times over 200 rounds in 1 day with 1 rifle and the only problem I have had was during a 1000 yard match with my oldest match rifle. I had to replace a firing pin during a match, but was fixed in minutes and I finished the match and still won. I went through just over 1800 rounds one weekend with 3 rifles at a fun match with out any problems. Won dozens of 1000 yard matches and set a World record with State Arms rifles, they will shoot sub .5 MOA groups at 1000 yards with match ammo. I have 4 Competitor models that are all a little different, a 30" barrel, a 29" barrel, a 28" barrel, and an 18" barrel. One has a Pac-Nor 3 groove barrel, one has a Feddersen barrel and 2 have Lothar-Walther Super Match barrels. I have a Special Edition with a 36" barrel and a Shorty with a 30" barrel also. The Super match barrel set the World record (4.4"group shooting prone at 1000 yards) and won most of the awards. I prefer the 30" barrel out of all I have tried, they have the best balance and fit into more hard cases on the market . In 90% of the matches I have shot in, I have shot a 30" barrel with the alluminum Tactical Stock, shooting AAA 765 grain solid Bore rider projectiles doing 2660 fps and using H50BMG powder. Larry will work with you any way you want to set the rifle up to fit your taste and application, weather it be busting rocks or 1000 yard match shooting or both with the same rifle. Last week Larry said he was getting pretty caught up on orders, so the wait time should not be long. Ed |
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I really like the look of the east ridge gun company's big bertha and rebels series. Anyone have experience with them? Accuracy? I have a bit of experience with the State Arms rifles. I have been shooting them for fun and in Matches for 11 years. They are very accurate and very reliable, I have put well over 10,000 rounds through my 6 rifles, some times over 200 rounds in 1 day with 1 rifle and the only problem I have had was during a 1000 yard match with my oldest match rifle. I had to replace a firing pin during a match, but was fixed in minutes and I finished the match and still won. I went through just over 1800 rounds one weekend with 3 rifles at a fun match with out any problems. Won dozens of 1000 yard matches and set a World record with State Arms rifles, they will shoot sub .5 MOA groups at 1000 yards with match ammo. I have 4 Competitor models that are all a little different, a 30" barrel, a 29" barrel, a 28" barrel, and an 18" barrel. One has a Pac-Nor 3 groove barrel, one has a Feddersen barrel and 2 have Lothar-Walther Super Match barrels. I have a Special Edition with a 36" barrel and a Shorty with a 30" barrel also. The Super match barrel set the World record (4.4"group shooting prone at 1000 yards) and won most of the awards. I prefer the 30" barrel out of all I have tried, they have the best balance and fit into more hard cases on the market . In 90% of the matches I have shot in, I have shot a 30" barrel with the alluminum Tactical Stock, shooting AAA 765 grain solid Bore rider projectiles doing 2660 fps and using H50BMG powder. Larry will work with you any way you want to set the rifle up to fit your taste and application, weather it be busting rocks or 1000 yard match shooting or both with the same rifle. Last week Larry said he was getting pretty caught up on orders, so the wait time should not be long. Ed All I can say is that I have never seen a better response to a question here. |
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I really like the look of the east ridge gun company's big bertha and rebels series. Anyone have experience with them? Accuracy? I have a bit of experience with the State Arms rifles. I have been shooting them for fun and in Matches for 11 years. They are very accurate and very reliable, I have put well over 10,000 rounds through my 6 rifles, some times over 200 rounds in 1 day with 1 rifle and the only problem I have had was during a 1000 yard match with my oldest match rifle. I had to replace a firing pin during a match, but was fixed in minutes and I finished the match and still won. I went through just over 1800 rounds one weekend with 3 rifles at a fun match with out any problems. Won dozens of 1000 yard matches and set a World record with State Arms rifles, they will shoot sub .5 MOA groups at 1000 yards with match ammo. I have 4 Competitor models that are all a little different, a 30" barrel, a 29" barrel, a 28" barrel, and an 18" barrel. One has a Pac-Nor 3 groove barrel, one has a Feddersen barrel and 2 have Lothar-Walther Super Match barrels. I have a Special Edition with a 36" barrel and a Shorty with a 30" barrel also. The Super match barrel set the World record (4.4"group shooting prone at 1000 yards) and won most of the awards. I prefer the 30" barrel out of all I have tried, they have the best balance and fit into more hard cases on the market . In 90% of the matches I have shot in, I have shot a 30" barrel with the alluminum Tactical Stock, shooting AAA 765 grain solid Bore rider projectiles doing 2660 fps and using H50BMG powder. Larry will work with you any way you want to set the rifle up to fit your taste and application, weather it be busting rocks or 1000 yard match shooting or both with the same rifle. Last week Larry said he was getting pretty caught up on orders, so the wait time should not be long. Ed Hey thanks for the detailed reply. Ive heard about you and your record before, its good to get a review from you. I think ill go with state arms. Wont have the money till this spring though. Still debating on aluminum vs wood. Aluminum is the obvious choice for competition but i dont plan on competing and the wood stocks are gorgeous. Choices, Choices..... |
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I like the looks of the black, brown, and green laminate stock Larry makes. I have a couple of the wooden stocks also, a laminate (SUPER STRONG) black, brown,and red, and I have a Walnut stock. I can mix and match my stocks and barreled actions for different configurations. I have black, red, and gold alluminum tactical stocks, some with bipods and monopods and some without. The actions are all the same so I can put any action in any stock and they fit tight. At a match I usually shoot the same rifle in Unlimited class and Hunter class, and I will switch stocks in between relays in just a couple minutes. I have 4 different Night Force scopes, 3 NXS and a benchrest model all with the same NP-R2 reticle and a Leupold all with the same size Night Force rings and all my scope bases are the same so I can mix and match my scopes to any rifle and the zero is not that far off. My favorite scope is the 8-32x56 NXS with the NP-R2 reticle.
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Quoted: I've got an ALS and it's unquestionably the most accurate of all the uppers. Just check the match stats for proof. -David Edgewood, NM That means nothing Dave, how many OTHER uppers have even been in competition. What is the caliber of shooter that buys an ALS? I think the Ferret50 has an outstanding record too, have you compared them with the ALS? Other than the Ferret, I don't think ANY other upper has come close to being used in match shooting as often as these two. |
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I've got an ALS and it's unquestionably the most accurate of all the uppers. Just check the match stats for proof. -David Edgewood, NM That means nothing Dave, how many OTHER uppers have even been in competition. What is the caliber of shooter that buys an ALS? I think the Ferret50 has an outstanding record too, have you compared them with the ALS? Other than the Ferret, I don't think ANY other upper has come close to being used in match shooting as often as these two. Dude, ALS uppers have whipped the shit out every other upper out there in competition, including Ferret. Read your VHPs. More Trophies have gone to ALS shooters than all the other uppers COMBINED. Ferrets can't hold a light in the accuracy department if number of trophies is your measure. And Ferrets have been around quite a while. -David Edgewood, NM |
| Larry put together a great gun for me. Big Bertha 36" stainless barrel with the 3" brake(like the one pictured on the website) in the tactical stock. I shot it for the first time recently and was very impressed. Using the State Arms bipod prone and off a bench recoil was fairly mild, just a big shove. Accuracy with pulled and sized m33 tips was better than I had been told to expect, the 750 Amax shot amazingly well considering how much gusting winds we were dealing with. I looked at the upper options, and decided for my first 50 I wanted a complete rifle. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've got an ALS and it's unquestionably the most accurate of all the uppers. Just check the match stats for proof. -David Edgewood, NM That means nothing Dave, how many OTHER uppers have even been in competition. What is the caliber of shooter that buys an ALS? I think the Ferret50 has an outstanding record too, have you compared them with the ALS? Other than the Ferret, I don't think ANY other upper has come close to being used in match shooting as often as these two. Dude, ALS uppers have whipped the shit out every other upper out there in competition, including Ferret. Read your VHPs. More Trophies have gone to ALS shooters than all the other uppers COMBINED. Ferrets can't hold a light in the accuracy department if number of trophies is your measure. And Ferrets have been around quite a while. -David Edgewood, NM WHOOSH! Did you feel the breeze over your head Dave? You totally missed my point. How many others have even BEEN in competition? I only know of one Bohica, how many others do you know of that have been to FCSA matches? Besides Ferret, how many others have been in competition? Don't forget the other part I mentioned, what caliber of shooter has bought an ALS? Your everyday shooter who wants a 50, or the guy who goes out of his way to go to the FCSA world championship who doesn't want to pay $10k for a bolt gun. |
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I like the looks of the black, brown, and green laminate stock Larry makes. I have a couple of the wooden stocks also, a laminate (SUPER STRONG) black, brown,and red, and I have a Walnut stock. I can mix and match my stocks and barreled actions for different configurations. I have black, red, and gold alluminum tactical stocks, some with bipods and monopods and some without. The actions are all the same so I can put any action in any stock and they fit tight. At a match I usually shoot the same rifle in Unlimited class and Hunter class, and I will switch stocks in between relays in just a couple minutes. I have 4 different Night Force scopes, 3 NXS and a benchrest model all with the same NP-R2 reticle and a Leupold all with the same size Night Force rings and all my scope bases are the same so I can mix and match my scopes to any rifle and the zero is not that far off. My favorite scope is the 8-32x56 NXS with the NP-R2 reticle. Ed Any idea how far the scope are off when changing them? |
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No breeze over my head. I know you and I know what you are talking about. It's true that there have been more ALS rifles in competition than any other upper. My point is that where the rubber meets the road on how well a rifle shoots is in matches. It's controlled, verifyable, and documented. If you really believed all the crap you find on ARF, damn near every 50 will shoot sub-MOA with ball or AP ammo, you can get hits out to a mile with a Wal-mart scope, and all sorts of other mindless drivel. Until a couple years ago when ALS uppers got so popular, they were about $1500, which was cheaper than most any other 50 out there...yet they were made one at a time and known for accuracy then. Plenty cheap and plenty good for your average working stiff. As for caliber of shooter, plenty of inexperienced folks have bought ALS uppers, myself included, and done rather well with them. -David Edgewood, NM |
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I really like the look of the east ridge gun company's big bertha and rebels series. Anyone have experience with them? Accuracy? I have a bit of experience with the State Arms rifles. I have been shooting them for fun and in Matches for 11 years. They are very accurate and very reliable, I have put well over 10,000 rounds through my 6 rifles, some times over 200 rounds in 1 day with 1 rifle and the only problem I have had was during a 1000 yard match with my oldest match rifle. I had to replace a firing pin during a match, but was fixed in minutes and I finished the match and still won. I went through just over 1800 rounds one weekend with 3 rifles at a fun match with out any problems. Won dozens of 1000 yard matches and set a World record with State Arms rifles, they will shoot sub .5 MOA groups at 1000 yards with match ammo. I have 4 Competitor models that are all a little different, a 30" barrel, a 29" barrel, a 28" barrel, and an 18" barrel. One has a Pac-Nor 3 groove barrel, one has a Feddersen barrel and 2 have Lothar-Walther Super Match barrels. I have a Special Edition with a 36" barrel and a Shorty with a 30" barrel also. The Super match barrel set the World record (4.4"group shooting prone at 1000 yards) and won most of the awards. I prefer the 30" barrel out of all I have tried, they have the best balance and fit into more hard cases on the market . In 90% of the matches I have shot in, I have shot a 30" barrel with the alluminum Tactical Stock, shooting AAA 765 grain solid Bore rider projectiles doing 2660 fps and using H50BMG powder. Larry will work with you any way you want to set the rifle up to fit your taste and application, weather it be busting rocks or 1000 yard match shooting or both with the same rifle. Last week Larry said he was getting pretty caught up on orders, so the wait time should not be long. Ed Wow! That's all I have to say. |
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I like the looks of the black, brown, and green laminate stock Larry makes. I have a couple of the wooden stocks also, a laminate (SUPER STRONG) black, brown,and red, and I have a Walnut stock. I can mix and match my stocks and barreled actions for different configurations. I have black, red, and gold alluminum tactical stocks, some with bipods and monopods and some without. The actions are all the same so I can put any action in any stock and they fit tight. At a match I usually shoot the same rifle in Unlimited class and Hunter class, and I will switch stocks in between relays in just a couple minutes. I have 4 different Night Force scopes, 3 NXS and a benchrest model all with the same NP-R2 reticle and a Leupold all with the same size Night Force rings and all my scope bases are the same so I can mix and match my scopes to any rifle and the zero is not that far off. My favorite scope is the 8-32x56 NXS with the NP-R2 reticle. Ed Any idea how far the scope are off when changing them? I have had to change them a couple of times during a 1000 yard match and both times when my scope broke I took one off a different rifle and when I took my first sighter shot both times I was still on the target. I have changed them before when shooting at 200 yards and was only a couple of inches away from other shots with the first scope. Ed |
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At this point it's really ALS vs Bohica vs State Arms.
They all have their pro's and cons. I'd hold out on the Bohica until the current incident is sorted out. For a complete rifle the better shellholders are simple, elegant, and the most rifle for the money. I like the AR uppers due to familiarity, bolt action, and ease of take down. Who has how many trophies makes no difference to me. If it can shoot ~1MOA with something commercially loaded to a few hundred yards that good enough for me. The Serbu BFG 50 has a good reputation as well and is very reasonably priced (just not a regular match winner and very industrial in design). I went Bohica when he had a ridiculously low introductory price. It's a great upper overall but the current situation has me a little concerned. |
I really want a state arms but then again i dont really want to spend all that cash on a .50 yet. I dont compete and close to 1 moa is good enough for me. I'm thinking i might start with a bohica and if i get into it more i could save for a state arms. Still very new to the 50. Fired a couple rounds from a ferret and about 50 from a M2 which doesnt really count. 
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I really want a state arms but then again i dont really want to spend all that cash on a .50 yet. I dont compete and close to 1 moa is good enough for me. I'm thinking i might start with a bohica and if i get into it more i could save for a state arms. Still very new to the 50. Fired a couple rounds from a ferret and about 50 from a M2 which doesnt really count. I would hold off on the BOHICA til they figure out what happened and get a fix for it. -David Edgewood, NM |
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would hold off on the BOHICA til they figure out what happened and get a fix for it. -David Edgewood, NM This is presuming that there is a problem that requires a fix, RIGHT? The fix might still be the loose nut behind the trigger, right? I am just saying... |
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