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Posted: 6/16/2009 10:51:28 PM EDT
I've been looking at the new AAC Element and I'm sold on everything but the looks. I just don't like the way it looks. I prefer the looks of the Aviator or Pilot...something that will blend better with the rifle barrel.
Aside from that...anyone had any experience with one yet? |
We got the first batch of these and I've been playing with one for a few weeks now.
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We've been shooting the Element mainly next to the 22Sparrow and Spectre on several host weapons. To my ear and everyone else who I've let play with these cans the three sound pretty close on my 22/45, which is the host we've shot the most. We've shot mostly Winchester Dynapoints and CCI Standard. There is slight difference in tone between the three. .JPG)
I'm working on articles about all three cans and should have them posted up with more pictures by early next week. I'll report back here when I have them done. Take care, Mark |
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We've been shooting the Element mainly next to the 22Sparrow and Spectre on several host weapons. To my ear and everyone else who I've let play with these cans the three sound pretty close on my 22/45, which is the host we've shot the most. We've shot mostly Winchester Dynapoints and CCI Standard. There is slight difference in tone between the three. That's probably because the Element is a K-baffle can and is quieter on very short barreled firearms like the P22, but performance drops slowly from there, so you're actually probably fairly correct in saying that, because the three cans probably perform very closely on the 22/45 which is a more useful barrel length for a .22lr firearm to have. ~4.5" It seems everything AAC makes is designed to perform most efficiently on a P22. |
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If you are shooting on a rifle there are many choices that are very quiet.
For pistol the element combines light weight with the best sound reduction in a small package. The spectre is a great can but is a little heavy on some pistols. I sent my paper work to the sheriff yesterday for my new Element 
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Quoted: Apples to oranges comparison. Oh yeah, and the new Prodigy cores aren't even done yet.  If you are just shooting .22lr, it is apples to apples. And I took account for the second statement. They are both take-apart They weigh the same. They suppress the same, though the Prodigy is a better low pressure can.  |
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I don't understand about your statement concerning the new prodigy cores being done. There is already a review of the new prodigy core on silencerresearch.com. If it's been reviewed wouldn't that imply that it's been done?
Edit: yeah I just checked, it was close to 8 months ago - October 2008 And I quote: "The new core is very quiet compared to the old core" |
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I'm planning on using this suppressor on several host weapons
22 bolt gun (being the main desire) 10/22 rifle Ruger MkIII pistol I want a good bolt gun just for the sake of making something as quiet as possible. I'm planning on using a Sako Quad and putting a McMillan A5 stock on it to match my 308 for cheaper practice at the same time. I'm starting to warm up to the "pipe bomb" shape of the Element but currently I still prefer the traditional design. |
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I don't understand about your statement concerning the new prodigy cores being done. There is already a review of the new prodigy core on silencerresearch.com. If it's been reviewed wouldn't that imply that it's been done? Edit: yeah I just checked, it was close to 8 months ago - October 2008 And I quote: "The new core is very quiet compared to the old core" The new cores are not available. What AAC sent John was yet another pre-production core. John's test means zero to me. I don't care what his test shows because the core he was sent didn't come off any production run. When the Prodigy first came out we already had a bunch of time on the pre-production prototype and it kicked ass. The production models were different. 
So, no. The new cores are not coming off a production line yet and no one has tested the ones that will. We simply have to continue waiting. |
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have you shot the element on a rifle yet? I can't decide between the Element and Spectre. 99% of the shooting would be on a 10/22, so I want the quietest on a rifle. My local dealer doesn't stock either, so I'll have to order from a stocking dealer. Thanks Yes, we've shot the Element on rifles next to the Spectre and Sparrow. I'm working on articles about all three cans and we stock them all. Mark |
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Apples to oranges comparison. Oh yeah, and the new Prodigy cores aren't even done yet. If you are just shooting .22lr, it is apples to apples. And I took account for the second statement. They are both take-apart They weigh the same. They suppress the same, though the Prodigy is a better low pressure can.
Prodigy is all aluminum and a monolithic design with a tapered baffle core. The user can take it apart without any tools. The suppressor is currently unavailable and not in production. The Prodigy is idiot proof to take apart and reassemble. You can't use certain harsh chemicals on this to clean it due to materials. You also can't bead blast it. Element is all steel. It is rated to take full-auto use, .22 Magnum, .17 HMR, .17 MACH2, etc. It weighs 4.7 oz. You must have the special tool to take apart and (more importantly) put back together. This product is currently available. The Element is more user involved to take apart and put back together than the Prodigy. You have the option of bead blasting the baffles or soaking in harsher chemicals due to materials. If a guy is only looking at weight, length and caliber I can see them believing the cans are nearly identical. But they are really very different. Take care, Mark |
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Element is all steel. It is rated to take full-auto use, .22 Magnum, .17 HMR, .17 MACH2, etc. It weighs 4.7 oz. You must have the special tool to take apart and (more importantly) put back together. This product is currently available. The Element is more user involved to take apart and put back together than the Prodigy. You have the option of bead blasting the baffles or soaking in harsher chemicals due to materials.
That pretty much solves my issue. I want to be able to shoot 22lr and 17hmr out of it and though I don't currently have a full auto lower receiver I hope to in the not too terribly distant future. |
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Apples to oranges comparison. Oh yeah, and the new Prodigy cores aren't even done yet. If you are just shooting .22lr, it is apples to apples. And I took account for the second statement. They are both take-apart They weigh the same. They suppress the same, though the Prodigy is a better low pressure can.
Prodigy is all aluminum and a monolithic design with a tapered baffle core. The user can take it apart without any tools. The suppressor is currently unavailable and not in production. The Prodigy is idiot proof to take apart and reassemble. You can't use certain harsh chemicals on this to clean it due to materials. You also can't bead blast it. Element is all steel. It is rated to take full-auto use, .22 Magnum, .17 HMR, .17 MACH2, etc. It weighs 4.7 oz. You must have the special tool to take apart and (more importantly) put back together. This product is currently available. The Element is more user involved to take apart and put back together than the Prodigy. You have the option of bead blasting the baffles or soaking in harsher chemicals due to materials. If a guy is only looking at weight, length and caliber I can see them believing the cans are nearly identical. But they are really very different. Take care, Mark The Element is 22 Magnum rated? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Apples to oranges comparison. Oh yeah, and the new Prodigy cores aren't even done yet. If you are just shooting .22lr, it is apples to apples. And I took account for the second statement. They are both take-apart They weigh the same. They suppress the same, though the Prodigy is a better low pressure can. Prodigy is all aluminum and a monolithic design with a tapered baffle core. The user can take it apart without any tools. The suppressor is currently unavailable and not in production. The Prodigy is idiot proof to take apart and reassemble. You can't use certain harsh chemicals on this to clean it due to materials. You also can't bead blast it. Element is all steel. It is rated to take full-auto use, .22 Magnum, .17 HMR, .17 MACH2, etc. It weighs 4.7 oz. You must have the special tool to take apart and (more importantly) put back together. This product is currently available. The Element is more user involved to take apart and put back together than the Prodigy. You have the option of bead blasting the baffles or soaking in harsher chemicals due to materials. If a guy is only looking at weight, length and caliber I can see them believing the cans are nearly identical. But they are really very different. Take care, Mark The prodigy is full auto rated. So the Element is harder to assemble but easier to clean. I'd hardly call that "very different" for .22lr shooting. |
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The prodigy is full auto rated. So the Element is harder to assemble but easier to clean. I'd hardly call that "very different" for .22lr shooting. Who said the Element is easier to clean? I certainly did not. Yes, to me (someone who has both) the products are very different. I suppose you really need to put your hands on both products and actually use them for sometime before you will really understand the differences. Do you own a Prodigy? Have you seen and heard an Element? In my opinion, the Element and older Prodigy are very different products. My opinions are based on actual first-hand use of both products. Also, just to stress the point again the Prodigy is not even in the latest catalog, the original design is not in production nor will it ever be and the new cores aren't coming out of production currently. I guess you could sum it up as apples (Element, a production product currently available) to oranges (re-designed Prodigy, something that really doesn't exist at the moment) if that helps.
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Yes, it is a neat design. If you like it though and the new cores aren't out at that point, I'd suggest looking at the 22Sparrow. It is also a monolithic core aluminum can.
All these cans have similarities and differences. Sometimes even seemingly small features can make a big difference in actual use. Take care. |
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Quoted: hey bookhand, lots of good info thanks. i was wondering how the element sounds on a 10/22. i have a p-22 now and i am thinking of picking up a ruger mk series but i also want a 10/22 was curious how well they suppress with the element. thanks, ron Not Bookhound, but if you're using the can exclusively on a rifle, there are cheaper options (like half the price) with as good or better suppression than the Element. But it won't be beat on short barrels. |
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not using exclusively on a rifle. right now i have the p-22 which will be used most of the time. but i do want to get a 10/22 and a mk series pistol to use with it. just wondering how good the suppression is with a semi-rifle
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hey bookhand, lots of good info thanks. i was wondering how the element sounds on a 10/22. i have a p-22 now and i am thinking of picking up a ruger mk series but i also want a 10/22 was curious how well they suppress with the element. thanks, ron Not Bookhound, but if you're using the can exclusively on a rifle, there are cheaper options (like half the price) with as good or better suppression than the Element. But it won't be beat on short barrels. |
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not using exclusively on a rifle. right now i have the p-22 which will be used most of the time. but i do want to get a 10/22 and a mk series pistol to use with it. just wondering how good the suppression is with a semi-rifle not the best, not the worst. silencerresearch.com pay for the membership. best $30 i've spent. |
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