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Posted: 1/24/2019 10:05:41 PM EDT
Use the fastest burning powder and lightest bullet that you can. Keep velocity below 1000fps.
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Posted: 1/25/2019 1:26:11 AM EDT
I’ve gotten lazy with my reloading lately so I bought a box of the black butterfly 350gr subs to try on hogs. I only shot a few to check zero and they were subsonic and reasonably quiet out of my 18” barrel with a hybrid.
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Posted: 1/25/2019 2:06:57 AM EDT
With my Marlin GG 12 grains of Unique got me 1067 fps with a 405 gr cast bullet and 1118 fps with a 350 gr cast bullet.
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Posted: 1/25/2019 2:09:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2019 7:41:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2019 11:39:19 AM EDT
Any other suggestions for non-cast bullets?
I’d rather not get into casting if I don’t have to |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 11:45:46 AM EDT
Hodgdon Trailboss or Vihtavuori N32C (Tin Star) are both excellent sub-sonic 45/70 powders. Pick the bullet you like, I would go heavy, and work it down so you don't stick a bullet in the barrel. I used Tin Star to make a very nice 405gr sub-sonic load for my 450 Bushmaster. With 45/70 having a greater case capacity you can probably use Trailboss. I ran out of case volume in 450 Bushmaster with Trailboss under a 405gr. It probably would work nicely with a ~350gr bullet.
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Posted: 1/25/2019 11:56:00 AM EDT
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Any other suggestions for non-cast bullets? I’d rather not get into casting if I don’t have to |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 6:40:16 PM EDT
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No need to get into casting. There are plenty of places to buy cast .45-70 bullets. The loads I mentioned were with Oregon Trail Laser-Cast Bullets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/25/2019 6:41:50 PM EDT
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No need to get into casting. There are plenty of places to buy cast .45-70 bullets. The loads I mentioned were with Oregon Trail Laser-Cast Bullets. Powder coating can be OK depending on how it's done. I've had good luck with it, plenty of info around here about it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 6:57:17 PM EDT
Sorry, spaced the suppressor part. If plated bullets would work it looks like X-treme has .458-300 RNFP that would probably work for light .45-70 loads and Berry's has a 350 gr bullet specifically for the .45-70.
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Posted: 1/25/2019 7:03:54 PM EDT
Quote History Quoted: Bare lead bullets and the hi-tek coated bullets will leave lots of light in your hybrid and gum it up. Don't use them! Powder coating can be OK depending on how it's done. I've had good luck with it, plenty of info around here about it. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 2:20:23 AM EDT
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I’d prefer jacketed but I’m not seeing many out there for 405 gr and the like I cast and powder coat 270gr 44 and 500gr 45-70 and get no leading in my barrels or in my hybrid. With range scrap lead it's 10-15 cents/rd if you have the brass. Noe makes a 500gr and 600gr 45-70 mold that will cycle in lever guns. |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 12:19:05 AM EDT
Quote History Quoted: Bare lead bullets and the hi-tek coated bullets will leave lots of light in your hybrid and gum it up. Don't use them! Powder coating can be OK depending on how it's done. I've had good luck with it, plenty of info around here about it. |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 11:30:22 AM EDT
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Wait... hi-tek coated bullets leave... "light"? You mean leading? I thought hi-tek coated bullets help prevent that. hi-tek coated bullets have always been very dirty for me. Not as dirty as plain lead, but still very dirty. I would never put hi-tek through any of my silencers that can't be taken apart. |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 12:50:28 PM EDT
I ended up buying Remington 405gr JSP
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Posted: 2/25/2019 1:28:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2019 1:44:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2019 6:14:44 PM EDT
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I ended up buying Remington 405gr JSP 
That seems like too big of a bullet honestly My 405s will work fine for my subsonic needs |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 6:28:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2019 6:37:00 PM EDT
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I don't have a can for mine, and they won't cycle... but I'm still interested in them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/25/2019 7:48:03 PM EDT
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I have the can but my gun isn’t threaded yet .45-70 is low on the list MP5 is first |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 8:46:59 PM EDT
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I have the can but my gun isn’t threaded yet .45-70 is low on the list MP5 is first  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 8:50:44 PM EDT
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I bought my can for my Encore knowing that down the road I could use it on a big bore rifle. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129950/192D9895-7504-4B6D-A97D-32F2AC26CB50_jpeg-858182.JPG |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 10:26:08 PM EDT
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I bought my can for my Encore knowing that down the road I could use it on a big bore rifle. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129950/192D9895-7504-4B6D-A97D-32F2AC26CB50_jpeg-858182.JPG I wanted a stock to tame that 500
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Posted: 2/25/2019 10:33:49 PM EDT
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I bought my can for my Encore knowing that down the road I could use it on a big bore rifle. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129950/192D9895-7504-4B6D-A97D-32F2AC26CB50_jpeg-858182.JPG I wanted a stock to tame that 500
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Posted: 2/26/2019 10:35:47 AM EDT
11gr of unique under a 340gr cast lead bullet.
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Posted: 2/26/2019 11:20:42 AM EDT
I use 13 gr of trailboss under a 405 gr projectile for subsonic use.
For the slower loads look at the load data for a trap door. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:12:17 PM EDT
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I found 725gr 458 projectiles online last week. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:22:53 PM EDT
I like unique better than trail boss, if you can find manuals from the 70's they are listed. The best book to get is 40 years with the 45-70 available on amazon. Its like the 45-70 bible and talks a lot about reduced and subsonic loads with unique.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:33:51 PM EDT
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I found 725gr 458 projectiles online last week. Here you go. (Sorry, they're 730gr, not 725gr.)
http://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=319 |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 11:46:50 PM EDT
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@uhcoog1 Here you go. (Sorry, they're 730gr, not 725gr.)
http://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=319 Help me out here- given the 45-70 case is straight wall, and the powder charge is low vs black powder the case was originally designed for, can’t we seat an extra long bullet (such as the 730) super deep? The link clearly says no (I assume due to crimp rings), but I am curious if there might be other options. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 8:14:40 AM EDT
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can’t we seat an extra long bullet (such as the 730) super deep? The link clearly says no (I assume due to crimp rings), but I am curious if there might be other options. Noebulletmolds.com recently made a mold for 500 and 600gr bullets that have a short enough nose to work in leverguns. Here is the 600gr mold: http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=42_588 Another option is to cut your cases shorter to fit an existing bullet to the crimp groove. Downside is the brass is only good for that bullet and it will leave a carbon ring like shooting special ammo in a 357/44 magnum. You'll also have to make up your own load data from scratch which may or may not be a big deal for you. ETA: I've chased the heaviest subsonic bullets possible in 44mag and 45 colt. I got a 1895 only because it has a fast twist and heavier bullets are available. It's a losing battle - I shoot my cheap Rossi 92 most often now because it holds more rounds, is lighter, is cheaper to shoot, quieter due to lighter bullets, and overall more fun. Unless you really have a need for super heavy subsonic ammo I'd just stick with the cheapest jacketed bullets you can find. Shooting subsonic rounds at the range it doesn't make a difference what the bullets weigh and if you're hunting a jacketed pistol bullet will perform better on an animal. |
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Posted: 3/1/2019 11:51:39 PM EDT
I use Trailboss under a home cast 350 for my soft and quiet loads. While I am not using a suppressor, with my ear plugs in, the berm smack is louder that the report up close.
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