MSAR STG-556, in 9mm and .45, takes Glock mags! Pic from SHOT > Bullpup Firearms

Posted: 4/22/2008 8:23:44 AM EDT

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Please keep us informed.

If there is a waiting list I want to be on it for the 9mm version!

Prib

Posted: 4/26/2008 11:04:16 AM EDT

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Bump. Four days without discussion of this is too long. Any other news?

Posted: 4/26/2008 12:40:17 PM EDT

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This place has them listed with the ability to backorder.

Posted: 4/27/2008 12:48:36 AM EDT

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Wow, this is cool. For 1k I'm in.

I can't decide between the 9mm or the .45ACP.

Posted: 5/11/2008 6:56:37 PM EDT

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Just to give you guys some info on the new MCS (Modular Carbine System). To answer your questions this is a modular carbine that can be converted throughout a host of calibers of your choice... 9mm/10mm/40SW/45ACP/45GAP/357SIG. All it takes to do so is a barrel, bolt face, and a mag well adapter. The removable adapters are available in two sizes... one size for 9mm, 40SW, 357SIG, 45GAP, and one size for 10mm and 45ACP. This is all converted without the use of any tools.The target weight will be 4.5 lbs or lighter. The MCS will have an external bolt release, cross safety, quick detach 41V50 chrome lined barrel w/ removable flash hider so a suppressor can be used. Action is a mass blowback system. The MCS uses any of the hi-cap glock mags of which there are millions in circulation. All of the MSAR rail accessories will adapt to this system. MSRP on any caliber variation w/1.5 optic will be $1259.00 Any carbine with a 9" inch top rail and no optic will MSRP for $995.00 making this system probably the best value you will see on any firearm in a long time. Notice the new/additional sling quick detach points in the pics.

~ Tony Marfione

What is the smallest 9mm mag that will fit? In other words will it take Glock 19 mags?

Posted: 5/11/2008 7:45:39 PM EDT

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Wow, this is cool. For 1k I'm in.

I can't decide between the 9mm or the .45ACP.

33rd factory mags..........9mm without a doubt.

Posted: 5/13/2008 4:48:22 PM EDT

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Does ANYONE know if Glock 19 mags will work in the 9mm version or will it require the Glock 17 length mags?

Posted: 5/13/2008 9:08:30 PM EDT

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Does ANYONE know if Glock 19 mags will work in the 9mm version or will it require the Glock 17 length mags?

I'd guess G17 or G18 mags only just by looking at the picture. I will be ordering one in 9mm unless the ACR or SCAR appear for sale very soon.

Posted: 5/14/2008 12:05:38 PM EDT

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I have two Glock 19 pistols and I would be very interested in this carbine as long as the model 19 mags would fit.

Posted: 5/14/2008 12:10:23 PM EDT

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I have two Glock 19 pistols and I would be very interested in this carbine as long as the model 19 mags would fit.

I'm in the same boat as you(2 19's), but I figure magazines are cheap and I want 33rd mags anyway.

Posted: 5/14/2008 12:16:52 PM EDT

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Well the website that has the rifle for sale states that a 10 round mag is included, so I would guess that just about any size would fit.

Posted: 5/14/2008 1:49:38 PM EDT

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I have two Glock 19 pistols and I would be very interested in this carbine as long as the model 19 mags would fit.

I'm in the same boat as you(2 19's), but I figure magazines are cheap and I want 33rd mags anyway.

I don't have a problem buying 33 round mags but it would be so much better if it would also use the 15 round mags from the G19's. I have a 9mm Beretta CX4 that uses the same mags as my M9 and it is great. Less mags (different type) to worry about keeping track of.

Posted: 5/14/2008 2:46:56 PM EDT

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I'll be definitely buying a 9mm one. Should work well with G19/17 and 33rnd mags.

Posted: 5/15/2008 12:03:41 PM EDT

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?

Posted: 5/15/2008 6:35:39 PM EDT

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ever since i finger f***ed the .223 version at a gunshow i've been drooling over the thought of the pistol-cal version.

it might make me break my vow of 'no more guns this year'

Posted: 5/16/2008 9:35:59 AM EDT

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Seems like the bullpup design is a bit wasted on a pistol caliber, since a longer barrel isn't really much of a big deal. For rifle rounds, the longer barrel is a very good thing.

Then again, the AUG design is about the coolest rifle I've ever seen and probably ever will see again! Plus, this carbine has other things going for it like the amazing design, caliber change flexibility, etc. Mag changes look like they would be a bit of a chore because of the bullpup design, but then again this is probably mostly a fun gun.

OK, I still want one. I was trying to talk myself out of it.
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Posted: 5/16/2008 9:56:55 AM EDT

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I dont need one but will probably buy one anyways cause the sickness has got the best of me already.

Posted: 5/16/2008 10:36:33 AM EDT

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Seems like the bullpup design is a bit wasted on a pistol caliber, since a longer barrel isn't really much of a big deal. For rifle rounds, the longer barrel is a very good thing.
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Except that the bullpup allows for a SBR-sized rifle w/o the stamp. That's a huge bonus AFAIC.

Posted: 5/16/2008 11:13:50 AM EDT

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Seems like the bullpup design is a bit wasted on a pistol caliber, since a longer barrel isn't really much of a big deal. For rifle rounds, the longer barrel is a very good thing.
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Except that the bullpup allows for a SBR-sized rifle w/o the stamp. That's a huge bonus AFAIC.

+1 That's why I always say the bullpup is the best for civilian home defense.

Posted: 5/16/2008 4:16:30 PM EDT

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Cool! Now I need to find out if those TDI mag extention kits work with G20 mags.

Lets see if a G21 mags gets increased by 17 then a 15 round G20 mag should hold about 35 with the extention.

Awesome!

This will be one of the Coolest pistol cal carbines out there.

Posted: 5/17/2008 2:59:45 PM EDT

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Wow, this is cool. For 1k I'm in.

I can't decide between the 9mm or the .45ACP.

33rd factory mags..........9mm without a doubt.

Glock needs some 30 round mags for the .45

Posted: 5/17/2008 3:17:43 PM EDT

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Wow, this is cool. For 1k I'm in.

I can't decide between the 9mm or the .45ACP.

33rd factory mags..........9mm without a doubt.

Glock needs some 30 round mags for the .45

I'd be down with that.......

If MSAR will build a 14.5" or so version with permanent flash hider in 9mm, I will buy one as soon as it's available. I think it would fill the niche that i'm looking to fill. I want a short controllable carbine for home defense and pistol caliber carbine competitions.

Posted: 5/18/2008 5:21:05 AM EDT

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Wow, this is cool. For 1k I'm in.

I can't decide between the 9mm or the .45ACP.

33rd factory mags..........9mm without a doubt.

Glock needs some 30 round mags for the .45

I'd be down with that.......

If MSAR will build a 14.5" or so version with permanent flash hider in 9mm, I will buy one as soon as it's available. I think it would fill the niche that i'm looking to fill. I want a short controllable carbine for home defense and pistol caliber carbine competitions.

Now that would kick ass.

Posted: 5/26/2008 10:24:30 AM EDT

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They should be available in August 2008. I personally can't wait either.. I'm a 10mm and .40SW fan big time!!!

My birthday is August 1st.
I know what I want. Guess I should pic up some 33rd mags.

Posted: 5/28/2008 11:41:46 AM EDT

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I finally received an answer from MSAR. The 9mm version will accept Glock 19 mags.

Posted: 5/28/2008 4:36:47 PM EDT

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As far as I can tell y'all, that silver "lever" ahead of the magwell is the BOLT RELEASE, not the mag release. The mag release is the round silver button on the front of the magwell (You know, where the mag release is on a GLOCK handgun). In this position, the operator could reach back with the thumb of the firing hand, or the index finger of the off-hand just after seating the fresh mag, to release the bolt.

ETA... Page 6 is MINE!

AAAAAHHH HAAA HAAA HAAAA!!!

Posted: 5/28/2008 4:44:57 PM EDT

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I finally received an answer from MSAR. The 9mm version will accept Glock 19 mags.

this just keeps getting better and better

Posted: 5/28/2008 5:25:13 PM EDT

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Will it take G26 mags?

Posted: 5/28/2008 5:32:13 PM EDT

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Will it take G26 mags?

Good luck finding out. It took me a couple weeks to get the answer on the G19 mags. Let us know what you find out.

Posted: 5/28/2008 5:37:37 PM EDT

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Will it take G26 mags?

I saw a prototype at the NRA convention. I don't think that the baby Glock mags will work, it looked like they would have been too short.

It is possible, but I don't think they will fit from what I saw.

Posted: 5/31/2008 11:56:57 AM EDT

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Will it take G26 mags?

I saw a prototype at the NRA convention. I don't think that the baby Glock mags will work, it looked like they would have been too short.

It is possible, but I don't think they will fit from what I saw.

Did they give any updated ETA on release?

Posted: 5/31/2008 1:33:49 PM EDT

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I was told August-September.

Posted: 5/31/2008 1:37:36 PM EDT

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Will it take G26 mags?

I saw a prototype at the NRA convention. I don't think that the baby Glock mags will work, it looked like they would have been too short.

It is possible, but I don't think they will fit from what I saw.

Did they give any updated ETA on release?

August was what I was told.

Posted: 5/31/2008 4:38:50 PM EDT

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I dont know where else to ask. Is Northwest Tactical still in business? There have a $115 order that was charged to my credit card Nov 2007 for some MSAR products. They will not respond to numerous emails and phone calls.

Thanks

Posted: 5/31/2008 5:16:50 PM EDT

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I want a 9x25 Dillon barrel! Ballistics would surpass .30 carbine...I’m drooling.

Posted: 6/1/2008 7:35:44 AM EDT

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ETA: Oops! I didn't read the post very well. I didn't realize how much time had passed.

Posted: 6/1/2008 7:45:40 AM EDT

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I dont know where else to ask. Is Northwest Tactical still in business? There have a $115 order that was charged to my credit card Nov 2007 for some MSAR products. They will not respond to numerous emails and phone calls.

Thanks

Try calling your credit card company and have them reverse the charge since you didn't receive what you paid for.

Won't work, way past the time period where charges can be reversed.

Back on topic.....I'm really considering one of these MSAR Pistol carbines, but they had better get a move on. If things don't happen soon I may be leaning towards a 9mm MP5 clone to go along with my GSG-5.

Posted: 6/1/2008 9:51:41 AM EDT

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I'd like to hear from some of you folks with pistol caliber carbines already.

The barrel length on the MSAR would obviously produce more velocity than your standard pistol barrel length for which most pistol rounds are designed to be fired from.

Shooting JHP is there golng to be a problem with too much velocity causing very quick mushrooming (say expansion once it hits clothing like denim) and a problem in retaining the structure of the bullet? Seems like there could be some penetration problems as well.

Like to hear what you guys think about this?

Posted: 6/1/2008 10:04:39 AM EDT

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I am patiently waiting for one of these.

Posted: 6/1/2008 10:17:53 AM EDT

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I'd like to hear from some of you folks with pistol caliber carbines already.

The barrel length on the MSAR would obviously produce more velocity than your standard pistol barrel length for which most pistol rounds are designed to be fired from.

Shooting JHP is there golng to be a problem with too much velocity causing very quick mushrooming (say expansion once it hits clothing like denim) and a problem in retaining the structure of the bullet? Seems like there could be some penetration problems as well.

Like to hear what you guys think about this?

You will gain some velocity, but nowhere near the same as shooting a rifle round in a pistol.

Stick with bonded core ammo and the over expansion should be solved.

Posted: 6/1/2008 2:56:03 PM EDT

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You will gain some velocity, but nowhere near the same as shooting a rifle round in a pistol.

Stick with bonded core ammo and the over expansion should be solved.

Thanks for the reply stevemc.

Posted: 6/1/2008 4:49:11 PM EDT

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You will gain some velocity, but nowhere near the same as shooting a rifle round in a pistol.

Stick with bonded core ammo and the over expansion should be solved.

Thanks for the reply stevemc.

Figured I would try to explain what I was saying earlier. I was on my iPhone and didn't want to type much.

Pistol rounds are designed to use most of their powder in 4-5" and do not gain much going to 16", they even start losing velocity at a certain length.

Hope that helps you a bit.

I think I'm going to pick up one of the MSAR carbines in 9mm or .45acp, especially if they will make a 16" overall length barrel with a permanently mounted flash suppressor. I want it to be as short as possible for maneuverability for a home defense carbine, especially since SBR's are not legal in Washington State.

Posted: 6/5/2008 3:28:27 AM EDT

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Anybody have an Idea of what the thread pitch will be on the .45? I have been looking for a carbine for my AAC Evo 45.

Posted: 7/5/2008 7:13:01 AM EDT

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I second that.. We need thread info for us suppressor owners..9mm, 10mm, 45....I hope it is thread compatible with my Trident 9.

Posted: 7/5/2008 7:51:24 PM EDT

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Well, what I would like to see with the MCS would be an integrated barrel suppressor assembly similiar to the one they were thinking of doing for the STG 556. That way I could have suppression with very little if any increase in OAL. That would be pretty ideal for a home defense pistol carbine (bullpup short OAL with suppression).

Posted: 7/6/2008 8:27:11 AM EDT

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integrated would be nice

Posted: 7/6/2008 11:43:59 AM EDT

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Any word on these 9mm AUGs lately?

Posted: 7/6/2008 4:30:16 PM EDT

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I was told they would be out in August/September.

Posted: 7/8/2008 10:50:21 AM EDT

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I think I'm going to pick up one of the MSAR carbines in 9mm or .45acp, especially if they will make a 16" overall length barrel with a permanently mounted flash suppressor. I want it to be as short as possible for maneuverability for a home defense carbine, especially since SBR's are not legal in Washington State.

I have the same interest, and for the same reasons (no SBRs here

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I love my Oly 9mm ARs that use the Glock mags, but I wish they could be shorter... and I've always been a bulpup fan.

Being able to switch between 9mm and .45ACP, and using mags I already have for both, is very appealing to me...

Posted: 7/8/2008 10:50:24 AM EDT

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