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Posted: 11/13/2020 9:01:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, I’m inching close to 4 weeks for green duals. Hearing that green monos are up to date seems promising, but I’d bet white duals are gonna be a long wait. Yeah I think you're right. I think you should be plenty happy with the greens and avoid the wait time! Also to avoid any confusion I edited my post to reflect I'm only talking about the xls wp BNVDs. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 9:44:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You ordered BNVDs? If so, I ordered on 10/6 and was told it's going to be a long while with no ETA. Just for expectation management. I think the 3-4 weeks on the XLS BNVD listing was only for the first few orders from my understanding. As was said earlier everyone jumped on it of course and extended it out. I'm ok with waiting because of the deal  That's correct as per that email I sent everyone 3 weeks ago on it. We shut down ordering on the WP XLS tubes in both 14s and BNVDs not long after it was first put up in order to avoid creating a massive backup and lead time as like what happened with the WP HP tubes late summer and fall. As the Order email mentions also, as tubes for other models wherein customers have been waiting longer come in, those builds are given priority as they should be. In other words, if a shipment of WP HP tubes comes in and people have been waiting a long time at this point on them, those are built first before newer orders of which all of the XLS orders would be newer. Rest assured you are locked in on the sale price and will not be charged till it's ready to ship. When your unit goes into production you will get an "Order ready action required" email notating that so you can plan. Thanks again everyone! |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 10:03:02 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's correct as per that email I sent everyone 3 weeks ago on it. We shut down ordering on the WP XLS tubes in both 14s and BNVDs not long after it was first put up in order to avoid creating a massive backup and lead time as like what happened with the WP HP tubes late summer and fall. As the Order email mentions also, as tubes for other models wherein customers have been waiting longer come in, those builds are given priority as they should be. In other words, if a shipment of WP HP tubes comes in and people have been waiting a long time at this point on them, those are built first before newer orders of which all of the XLS orders would be newer. Rest assured you are locked in on the sale price and will not be charged till it's ready to ship. When your unit goes into production you will get an "Order ready action required" email notating that so you can plan. Thanks again everyone! I remember you saying something like this. I've had a few TBIs lmao. Either way, I can not wait! |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 3:09:16 PM EDT
[#4]
No worries.
Folks waiting for XLS WP PVS14s and BNVD SG with WP XLS tubes placed up to 10/6 should check their emails immediately- some good news in bound!!! |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 3:40:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No worries. Folks waiting for XLS WP PVS14s and BNVD SG with WP XLS tubes placed up to 10/6 should check their emails immediately- some good news in bound!!! Any crumbs for us lowly dual green buyers? 
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Posted: 11/13/2020 4:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any crumbs for us lowly dual green buyers? LOL. Compared to the green XLS the white XLS guys have been waiting about two times as long. Going to be a little bit yet on green phos XLS BNVD orders, especially those placed later (after 10/15). If you want to email with your full name and order date I'd be happy to tell you exactly how many are ahead of you. [email protected] |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 7:41:41 PM EDT
[#7]
:shaking my hand in the air: why can’t Black Friday hurry for a thin filmed wp bnvd!?!?
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Posted: 11/13/2020 7:54:44 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: :shaking my hand in the air: why can’t Black Friday hurry for a thin filmed wp bnvd!?!? Same here. Any idea if that will actually be one of the things on sale. Ready to pull the trigger on BNVD WP HP+. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 8:56:59 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same here. Any idea if that will actually be one of the things on sale. Ready to pull the trigger on BNVD WP HP+. No clue. I’m pulling the trigger on whatever thin film wp binos for BF, just depends on who runs a good special. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 9:17:25 PM EDT
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So because lead times are already insane, we are going to do a little something special this year for insiders like our fellow Arfcommers.
Starting on the 17th you can CALL up to get Black Friday sale prices and order ahead of time. Why? Because the rush that ALWAYS comes the end of the year always pushes lead times into even longer delays. Last year for example lead times doubled the last month of the year due to high demand. This time around in 2020 we are already starting off with high lead times. So call NO EARLIER than the 17th (that's next Tuesday) and you can get your Black Friday price ahead of time and get in front of the 100's of orders that come in the end of the month. You win twice- getting the sale price ahead of time AND not getting behind a few hundred more orders hence cutting down your wait time. ONLY available over the phone. Starting Tuesday the 17th. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 9:20:53 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So because lead times are already insane, we are going to do a little something special this year for insiders like our fellow Arfcommers. Starting on the 17th you can CALL up to get Black Friday sale prices and order ahead of time. Why? Because the rush that ALWAYS comes the end of the year always pushes lead times into even longer delays. Last year for example lead times doubled the last month of the year due to high demand. This time around in 2020 we are already starting off with high lead times. So call NO EARLIER than the 17th (that's next Tuesday) and you can get your Black Friday price ahead of time and get in front of the 100's of orders that come in the end of the month. You win twice- getting the sale price ahead of time AND not getting behind a few hundred more orders hence cutting down your wait time. ONLY available over the phone. Starting Tuesday the 17th. This is awesome!! Chat with you on Tuesday! |
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Posted: 11/15/2020 9:35:44 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No worries. Folks waiting for XLS WP PVS14s and BNVD SG with WP XLS tubes placed up to 10/6 should check their emails immediately- some good news in bound!!!  Attached File 
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Posted: 11/17/2020 11:38:37 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So because lead times are already insane, we are going to do a little something special this year for insiders like our fellow Arfcommers. Starting on the 17th you can CALL up to get Black Friday sale prices and order ahead of time. Why? Because the rush that ALWAYS comes the end of the year always pushes lead times into even longer delays. Last year for example lead times doubled the last month of the year due to high demand. This time around in 2020 we are already starting off with high lead times. So call NO EARLIER than the 17th (that's next Tuesday) and you can get your Black Friday price ahead of time and get in front of the 100's of orders that come in the end of the month. You win twice- getting the sale price ahead of time AND not getting behind a few hundred more orders hence cutting down your wait time. ONLY available over the phone. Starting Tuesday the 17th. Awesome! I told my buddy to give you a ring this morning. Talk him into filmless so I can play with it |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 10:17:30 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome! I told my buddy to give you a ring this morning. Talk him into filmless so I can play with it Much appreciated, thanks! It started about 9:01 am yesterday and rang till after hours. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 4:16:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Much appreciated, thanks! It started about 9:01 am yesterday and rang till after hours. I was 9:03 Thanks for the deal and taking the time to answer some questions.-AV |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 10:14:06 PM EDT
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For those of you who jumped on these, did you opt for the battery port/pack and if not why? I'm very tempted but am currently over thinking this aspect a bit.
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Posted: 11/24/2020 10:20:45 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For those of you who jumped on these, did you opt for the battery port/pack and if not why? I'm very tempted but am currently over thinking this aspect a bit. I try to talk anyone who asks out of buying the battery pack and saving themselves the cash. Reason is with the Elbit tubes you will a long battery life so it's not super necessary. Also on the battery pack setup you have to still have a battery in the unit itself even if it's dead. On the flip side, if you ever want to have a battery pack it absolutely has to be ordered with the unit as it's a different housing. None of the BNVDs or UL BNVDs in my family's gear has battery packs and I have never regretted it. Your call but if I can save you some bucks on that I'd be happy to. The XLS WP BNVDs are almost oversold again so we will be shutting that sale down no later than Monday and possibly sooner. We have to do what we can to help control lead times from getting too crazy out of control in this market right now. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 10:48:20 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For those of you who jumped on these, did you opt for the battery port/pack and if not why? I'm very tempted but am currently over thinking this aspect a bit. I didn't. It is a feature I cannot see myself really using due to the single battery. If I want to use the pack as a counter weight i'll just put the batteries in my counter weight pouch. Not worth the money in my opinion. |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 7:54:10 PM EDT
[#19]
Just upgraded to white phosphor xls cia the Black Friday sale. Come on 4/6 weeks
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Posted: 11/25/2020 8:22:27 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just upgraded to white phosphor xls cia the Black Friday sale. Come one 12-16 weeks Is that what he quoted you, 12-16 weeks? They were running 4-8 weeks for xls wp. What did you upgrade from? |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 8:24:57 PM EDT
[#21]
XLS WP BNVD we are quoting 4-8 weeks on currently. It's going up now with the massive sales volume but we will shut down all the XLS WP listings Monday to try to keep lead times from getting too out of hand.
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Posted: 11/25/2020 8:33:00 PM EDT
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how does this tube compare to the hp+ white?
https://www.jrhenterprises.com/PVS14-White-Phosphor-High-Performance-1900-3rd-Gen-Autogated-New1900PVS14WPHP.htm |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 8:38:46 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: XLS WP BNVD we are quoting 4-8 weeks on currently. It's going up now with the massive sales volume but we will shut down all the XLS WP listings Monday to try to keep lead times from getting too out of hand. I’m just stupid and can’t comprehend the English language
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Posted: 11/25/2020 8:39:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m just stupid and can’t comprehend the English language It's all good. Been a crazy year for everyone. |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 8:42:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how does this tube compare to the hp+ white? https://www.jrhenterprises.com/PVS14-White-Phosphor-High-Performance-1900-3rd-Gen-Autogated-New1900PVS14WPHP.htm The XLS grade tubes are lower graded tubes than the SLH tubes of which the HP tubes come from. They are further sorted for the HP spec. In general you are going to see more blems and lower performance from an XLS versus an SLH HP grade. The only advantages of the XLS would be a lead time of roughly half compared with an HP grade unit right now and the lower price. |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 8:58:46 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The XLS grade tubes are lower graded tubes than the SLH tubes of which the HP tubes come from. They are further sorted for the HP spec. In general you are going to see more blems and lower performance from an XLS versus an SLH HP grade. The only advantages of the XLS would be a lead time of roughly half compared with an HP grade unit right now and the lower price. Those FOM 1900 are xls tubes? |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 9:14:01 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those FOM 1900 are xls tubes? No, they are Elbit SLH tubes which are further graded to make the HP specs. |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 9:25:08 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they are Elbit SLH tubes which are further graded to make the HP specs. oh okay, i see what you were saying |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 9:27:38 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they are Elbit SLH tubes which are further graded to make the HP specs. The only thing I can say about the HP+ specs I got in my BNVDs is "Muy Bueno mi amigo" |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 9:50:47 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing I can say about the HP+ specs I got in my BNVDs is "Muy Bueno mi amigo" How do they compare to what people are saying in the xls thread? A lot of them are seeing SNR 26-32, 64-70 LP |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 10:06:40 PM EDT
[#31]
In general there is always something that throws the XLS tubes out of balance- too many blems, or one or two metrics a little lower than normal, etc. They can be a great bargain but are more of the proverbial "roll of the dice" than HP tubes.
That being said we have not had 1 person dislike an XLS set yet. In general we try to UNDER sell them so no one has crazy expectations about them. |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 12:17:53 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do they compare to what people are saying in the xls thread? A lot of them are seeing SNR 36-32, 64-70 LP IIRC I got 31/30 and 72lp/mm halo @ .7/.9 So if you got numbers like the ones you listed that had a few blems they'd definitely be great tubes. |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 7:32:10 PM EDT
[#33]
Wanted to update with what I received from my order.
For those looking for "budget" night vision I wanted to share what I bought and received. I got a set of Night Vision Devices BNVD single gain with the hate it or love it Elbit XLSH tubes, took about 5 weeks from order to delivery. Straight to the specs... L/R EBI 0.62 / 0.77 SNR 29.3/30.1 RES 64 / 64 Halo 0.92 / 0.98 Gain 8370 / 8310 Photo Response 1954/1874 Each tube has a very tiny Z1 blem, visible when staring at light colored wall and turning up the gain. Otherwise its imperceptible under normal use. Overall pretty happy!    
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Posted: 11/26/2020 7:55:26 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wanted to update with what I received from my order. For those looking for "budget" night vision I wanted to share what I bought and received. I got a set of Night Vision Devices BNVD single gain with the hate it or love it Elbit XLSH tubes, took about 5 weeks from order to delivery. Straight to the specs... L/R EBI 0.62 / 0.77 SNR 29.3/30.1 RES 64 / 64 Halo 0.92 / 0.98 Gain 8370 / 8310 Photo Response 1954/1874 Each tube has a very tiny Z1 blem, visible when staring at light colored wall and turning up the gain. Otherwise its imperceptible under normal use. Overall pretty happy! https://i.imgur.com/ZuMPhtc.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/y6hsY3T.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/wMuwmwh.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/GeM31lj.jpeg AWESOME!!! Appreciate your business, thanks again! Great numbers and nice pics and of course a great price on a full featured dual tube set WITH gain control. Back up for ordering and on sale for BF through Sunday at midnight. |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 9:37:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wanted to update with what I received from my order. For those looking for "budget" night vision I wanted to share what I bought and received. I got a set of Night Vision Devices BNVD single gain with the hate it or love it Elbit XLSH tubes, took about 5 weeks from order to delivery. Straight to the specs... L/R EBI 0.62 / 0.77 SNR 29.3/30.1 RES 64 / 64 Halo 0.92 / 0.98 Gain 8370 / 8310 Photo Response 1954/1874 Each tube has a very tiny Z1 blem, visible when staring at light colored wall and turning up the gain. Otherwise its imperceptible under normal use. Overall pretty happy! https://i.imgur.com/ZuMPhtc.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/y6hsY3T.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/wMuwmwh.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/GeM31lj.jpeg Congrats! |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 9:55:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wanted to update with what I received from my order. For those looking for "budget" night vision I wanted to share what I bought and received. I got a set of Night Vision Devices BNVD single gain with the hate it or love it Elbit XLSH tubes, took about 5 weeks from order to delivery. Straight to the specs... L/R EBI 0.62 / 0.77 SNR 29.3/30.1 RES 64 / 64 Halo 0.92 / 0.98 Gain 8370 / 8310 Photo Response 1954/1874 Each tube has a very tiny Z1 blem, visible when staring at light colored wall and turning up the gain. Otherwise its imperceptible under normal use. Overall pretty happy! https://i.imgur.com/ZuMPhtc.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/y6hsY3T.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/wMuwmwh.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/GeM31lj.jpeg Those are some very good numbers for XLS tubes, very close to mine, definitely worth the money you saved and WP to boot. |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 11:01:20 PM EDT
[#37]
I just put in an order on 11/23, after the list was off for many weeks. Robert responded to all my emails, I do appreciate it.
If you place an order, do read thru the entire order email carefully. It answers many common question. The pictures posted here on the WP BNVD looks great! This is a Good Deal for a 3rd Gen WP. I look at TNVC, and most of them are out of price range, some I can't even buy. |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 5:52:52 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wanted to update with what I received from my order. For those looking for "budget" night vision I wanted to share what I bought and received. I got a set of Night Vision Devices BNVD single gain with the hate it or love it Elbit XLSH tubes, took about 5 weeks from order to delivery. Straight to the specs... L/R EBI 0.62 / 0.77 SNR 29.3/30.1 RES 64 / 64 Halo 0.92 / 0.98 Gain 8370 / 8310 Photo Response 1954/1874 Each tube has a very tiny Z1 blem, visible when staring at light colored wall and turning up the gain. Otherwise its imperceptible under normal use. Overall pretty happy! https://i.imgur.com/ZuMPhtc.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/y6hsY3T.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/wMuwmwh.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/GeM31lj.jpeg Specs like this makes me want to order, the downside is getting the 24 snr. |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 7:54:09 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Specs like this makes me want to order, the downside is getting the 24 snr. Well I suppose it's possible, but from what I've seen the bino setups are usually more on the "average" side compared to the monos. Just my opinion but I think you'd generally be safe from complete garbage specs. |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 8:30:25 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I suppose it's possible, but from what I've seen the bino setups are usually more on the "average" side compared to the monos. Just my opinion but I think you'd generally be safe from complete garbage specs. Fuck it just ordered, rolling the dice. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 2:34:46 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I try to talk anyone who asks out of buying the battery pack and saving themselves the cash. Reason is with the Elbit tubes you will a long battery life so it's not super necessary. Also on the battery pack setup you have to still have a battery in the unit itself even if it's dead. On the flip side, if you ever want to have a battery pack it absolutely has to be ordered with the unit as it's a different housing. None of the BNVDs or UL BNVDs in my family's gear has battery packs and I have never regretted it. Your call but if I can save you some bucks on that I'd be happy to. The XLS WP BNVDs are almost oversold again so we will be shutting that sale down no later than Monday and possibly sooner. We have to do what we can to help control lead times from getting too crazy out of control in this market right now. Good explanation, I was going to ask the same question. Yeah a pack might make sense with a thermal that guzzles batteries, but the estimated 40 hours on a AA is enough to run well into two day/night cycles nonstop. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 8:00:04 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So because lead times are already insane, we are going to do a little something special this year for insiders like our fellow Arfcommers. Starting on the 17th you can CALL up to get Black Friday sale prices and order ahead of time. Why? Because the rush that ALWAYS comes the end of the year always pushes lead times into even longer delays. Last year for example lead times doubled the last month of the year due to high demand. This time around in 2020 we are already starting off with high lead times. So call NO EARLIER than the 17th (that's next Tuesday) and you can get your Black Friday price ahead of time and get in front of the 100's of orders that come in the end of the month. You win twice- getting the sale price ahead of time AND not getting behind a few hundred more orders hence cutting down your wait time. ONLY available over the phone. Starting Tuesday the 17th. Is there anyway those of us who are waiting on previously placed orders can get a price match to the Black Friday prices? |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 9:05:42 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there anyway those of us who are waiting on previously placed orders can get a price match to the Black Friday prices? Check your email, everyone from this sale "should" have an email in there inbox regarding the price correction. I did pull about 15 hours straight yesterday and my eyes were crossing at the end of the night... so if I missed you just shoot me an email with your full name, etc. so I can be sure yours is corrected. 
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Posted: 11/28/2020 11:15:52 AM EDT
[#44]
Damn that makes it a little more sweet.
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Posted: 11/28/2020 11:43:26 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Check your email, everyone from this sale "should" have an email in there inbox regarding the price correction. I did pull about 15 hours straight yesterday and my eyes were crossing at the end of the night... so if I missed you just shoot me an email with your full name, etc. so I can be sure yours is corrected. Thanks for working so hard for us Robert it’s appreciated. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 11:44:13 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn that makes it a little more sweet. Yep an additional $200 off. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 11:46:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck it just ordered, rolling the dice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well I suppose it's possible, but from what I've seen the bino setups are usually more on the "average" side compared to the monos. Just my opinion but I think you'd generally be safe from complete garbage specs. Fuck it just ordered, rolling the dice. Exactly my thought put my order in on 11/23 can’t wait to report back. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 12:39:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for working so hard for us Robert it’s appreciated. Thank you for saying that. Started at 7am yesterday, finally at 10pm said that's it cause my eyes were crossing like a Siamese cat. 
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Posted: 12/1/2020 5:35:56 PM EDT
[#49]
@Lowdown3
What order date are you filling as of now, for the HP WP PVS-14? I’m jonesin really bad and want a bit of time behind the glass before the class I signed up for early next year. |
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Posted: 12/1/2020 6:07:51 PM EDT
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PM sent.
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